(02-13-2014 10:36 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(02-13-2014 07:39 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(02-13-2014 07:37 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Husky, it's not about caring, it's about what's on TV. The reason you have a bunch of 55 plus Redskins fans in NC is because that's who we say on CBS back in the 70's. Same with the Atlanta Braves and WTBS.

If that's the case then Connecticut is New York's college team...http://syracusefan.com/threads/looks-lik...yed.40752/

That's a very week example you are using for the second time in this thread. Guess what? SU's games are now on MSG and YES, which both happen to be national channels that dwarf lil ole SNY, that no one outside of Connecticut cares about. You know what else YES and MSG have in common? They are both NYC based channels. Your infatuation with SU really isn't healthy.

So, by being a hypocrite that gives you the right to hurl insults at UCONN fans? Your interest/concern for UCONN sports is duly noted, and also not at all healthy.

(02-13-2014 10:26 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(02-13-2014 09:57 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  NESN also broadcasts the Amherst-Williams game, 8 hours of NESN live, like 6 hours of Charlie Moore outdoors in a row, a bunch of infomercials, I see a children's candle pin bowling tournament the weekend, and for some reason Larry king is on NESN. With the Bruins being off they have almost no programming.

And this is significant, how? All networks have filler programming. So what? Are either Umass or Uconn on NESN? What does that tell you?

What are BC's local ratings? And yes I already assume they are better than UMass ratings.

(02-13-2014 10:47 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  

(02-13-2014 10:26 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(02-13-2014 09:57 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  NESN also broadcasts the Amherst-Williams game, 8 hours of NESN live, like 6 hours of Charlie Moore outdoors in a row, a bunch of infomercials, I see a children's candle pin bowling tournament the weekend, and for some reason Larry king is on NESN. With the Bruins being off they have almost no programming.

And this is significant, how? All networks have filler programming. So what? Are either Umass or Uconn on NESN? What does that tell you?

What are BC's local ratings? And yes I already assume they are better than UMass ratings.

Have not seen any local numbers; have you? I think you can safely assume that the network numbers are heavily influenced by local viewership, given BC's strong showing.

Conn is not locked out of a major conf, movement is inafidable.
ACC, B-10 & B-12 are looking at Conn real close

(02-14-2014 12:41 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Conn is not locked out of a major conf, movement is inafidable.
ACC, B-10 & B-12 are looking at Conn real close

Inafidable? Is that even considered English?

(02-13-2014 10:36 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(02-13-2014 07:39 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(02-13-2014 07:37 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Husky, it's not about caring, it's about what's on TV. The reason you have a bunch of 55 plus Redskins fans in NC is because that's who we say on CBS back in the 70's. Same with the Atlanta Braves and WTBS.

If that's the case then Connecticut is New York's college team...http://syracusefan.com/threads/looks-lik...yed.40752/

That's a very week example you are using for the second time in this thread. Guess what? SU's games are now on MSG and YES, which both happen to be national channels that dwarf lil ole SNY, that no one outside of Connecticut cares about. You know what else YES and MSG have in common? They are both NYC based channels. Your infatuation with SU really isn't healthy.

Insulting mod..nice..maybe I should give you a warning...

If you actually read the posts, you'd see that I was being sarcastic about Connecticut being "New York's college team" in a response that had nothing to do with you or Syracuse. In the other post, I was responding to UCONN being relevant outside of Connecticut...

I've never personally attacked a Cuse fan on here. Maybe you should take note of some forum board etiquette...

(02-13-2014 10:26 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(02-13-2014 09:57 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  NESN also broadcasts the Amherst-Williams game, 8 hours of NESN live, like 6 hours of Charlie Moore outdoors in a row, a bunch of infomercials, I see a children's candle pin bowling tournament the weekend, and for some reason Larry king is on NESN. With the Bruins being off they have almost no programming.

And this is significant, how? All networks have filler programming. So what? Are either Umass or Uconn on NESN? What does that tell you?

BC is the filler programming.

What does it tell you that UConn is on ESPN/ESPN2/CBS 17 times this season (not counting the women).

How many times has BC? I know there is at least one because you played UConn.

(02-14-2014 08:09 AM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(02-13-2014 10:26 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(02-13-2014 09:57 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  NESN also broadcasts the Amherst-Williams game, 8 hours of NESN live, like 6 hours of Charlie Moore outdoors in a row, a bunch of infomercials, I see a children's candle pin bowling tournament the weekend, and for some reason Larry king is on NESN. With the Bruins being off they have almost no programming.

And this is significant, how? All networks have filler programming. So what? Are either Umass or Uconn on NESN? What does that tell you?

BC is the filler programming.

What does it tell you that UConn is on ESPN/ESPN2/CBS 17 times this season (not counting the women).

How many times has BC? I know there is at least one because you played UConn.

Um...it tells me that Uconn has very good BB programs. Unfortunately, BB has very little impact on conference realignment - something Uconn fans seem to have a hard time understanding.

The FB numbers which I attached are far more important in the realignment game and, unfortunately for Uconn, it runs a poor second to BC in the region.

(02-14-2014 08:18 AM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 08:09 AM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(02-13-2014 10:26 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(02-13-2014 09:57 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  NESN also broadcasts the Amherst-Williams game, 8 hours of NESN live, like 6 hours of Charlie Moore outdoors in a row, a bunch of infomercials, I see a children's candle pin bowling tournament the weekend, and for some reason Larry king is on NESN. With the Bruins being off they have almost no programming.

And this is significant, how? All networks have filler programming. So what? Are either Umass or Uconn on NESN? What does that tell you?

BC is the filler programming.

What does it tell you that UConn is on ESPN/ESPN2/CBS 17 times this season (not counting the women).

How many times has BC? I know there is at least one because you played UConn.

Um...it tells me that Uconn has very good BB programs. Unfortunately, BB has very little impact on conference realignment - something Uconn fans seem to have a hard time understanding.

The FB numbers which I attached are far more important in the realignment game and, unfortunately for Uconn, it runs a poor second to BC in the region.

UConn is ahead of 8 P5 conference teams on that list. Including 3 from the ACC.

(02-14-2014 08:28 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 08:18 AM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 08:09 AM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(02-13-2014 10:26 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(02-13-2014 09:57 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  NESN also broadcasts the Amherst-Williams game, 8 hours of NESN live, like 6 hours of Charlie Moore outdoors in a row, a bunch of infomercials, I see a children's candle pin bowling tournament the weekend, and for some reason Larry king is on NESN. With the Bruins being off they have almost no programming.

And this is significant, how? All networks have filler programming. So what? Are either Umass or Uconn on NESN? What does that tell you?

BC is the filler programming.

What does it tell you that UConn is on ESPN/ESPN2/CBS 17 times this season (not counting the women).

How many times has BC? I know there is at least one because you played UConn.

Um...it tells me that Uconn has very good BB programs. Unfortunately, BB has very little impact on conference realignment - something Uconn fans seem to have a hard time understanding.

The FB numbers which I attached are far more important in the realignment game and, unfortunately for Uconn, it runs a poor second to BC in the region.

UConn is ahead of 8 P5 conference teams on that list. Including 3 from the ACC.

You are correct, Hank. Uconn beat out Duke, WF, and Virginia. My limited point, however, was using the data to rebut the "0.0 ratings" idiocy that some in your fan base indulge in. On that point, I think the data illustrates the FB hierarchy in New England quite nicely.

Not surprisingly, as one of your fellow fans proved, when you cannot win the FB argument, change the subject quick to BB!

(02-14-2014 08:52 AM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 08:28 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 08:18 AM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 08:09 AM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(02-13-2014 10:26 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  And this is significant, how? All networks have filler programming. So what? Are either Umass or Uconn on NESN? What does that tell you?

BC is the filler programming.

What does it tell you that UConn is on ESPN/ESPN2/CBS 17 times this season (not counting the women).

How many times has BC? I know there is at least one because you played UConn.

Um...it tells me that Uconn has very good BB programs. Unfortunately, BB has very little impact on conference realignment - something Uconn fans seem to have a hard time understanding.

The FB numbers which I attached are far more important in the realignment game and, unfortunately for Uconn, it runs a poor second to BC in the region.

UConn is ahead of 8 P5 conference teams on that list. Including 3 from the ACC.

You are correct, Hank. Uconn beat out Duke, WF, and Virginia. My limited point, however, was using the data to rebut the "0.0 ratings" idiocy that some in your fan base indulge in. On that point, I think the data illustrates the FB hierarchy in New England quite nicely.

Not surprisingly, as one of your fellow fans proved, when you cannot win the FB argument, change the subject quick to BB!

There is no FB hierarchy in New England until games are played between the two.

Ready when you are for that one.

(02-14-2014 09:02 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 08:52 AM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 08:28 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 08:18 AM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 08:09 AM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  BC is the filler programming.

What does it tell you that UConn is on ESPN/ESPN2/CBS 17 times this season (not counting the women).

How many times has BC? I know there is at least one because you played UConn.

Um...it tells me that Uconn has very good BB programs. Unfortunately, BB has very little impact on conference realignment - something Uconn fans seem to have a hard time understanding.

The FB numbers which I attached are far more important in the realignment game and, unfortunately for Uconn, it runs a poor second to BC in the region.

UConn is ahead of 8 P5 conference teams on that list. Including 3 from the ACC.

You are correct, Hank. Uconn beat out Duke, WF, and Virginia. My limited point, however, was using the data to rebut the "0.0 ratings" idiocy that some in your fan base indulge in. On that point, I think the data illustrates the FB hierarchy in New England quite nicely.

Not surprisingly, as one of your fellow fans proved, when you cannot win the FB argument, change the subject quick to BB!

There is no FB hierarchy in New England until games are played between the two.

Ready when you are for that one.

Certainly won't dispute that head-to-head games aren't a good measure. That said, in the absence of games, I think one can safely rely on other measures to get a good indication as to the status of the respective programs in NE. TV ratings are one such tool.

BC and Uconn did not play against each other in BB for, what? 9 years? That doesn't mean that I didn't know that BC was behind Uconn in the BB hierarchy in NE during those years.

(02-14-2014 09:17 AM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 09:02 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 08:52 AM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 08:28 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 08:18 AM)Eagle78 Wrote:  Um...it tells me that Uconn has very good BB programs. Unfortunately, BB has very little impact on conference realignment - something Uconn fans seem to have a hard time understanding.

The FB numbers which I attached are far more important in the realignment game and, unfortunately for Uconn, it runs a poor second to BC in the region.

UConn is ahead of 8 P5 conference teams on that list. Including 3 from the ACC.

You are correct, Hank. Uconn beat out Duke, WF, and Virginia. My limited point, however, was using the data to rebut the "0.0 ratings" idiocy that some in your fan base indulge in. On that point, I think the data illustrates the FB hierarchy in New England quite nicely.

Not surprisingly, as one of your fellow fans proved, when you cannot win the FB argument, change the subject quick to BB!

There is no FB hierarchy in New England until games are played between the two.

Ready when you are for that one.

Certainly won't dispute that head-to-head games aren't a good measure. That said, in the absence of games, I think one can safely rely on other measures to get a good indication as to the status of the respective programs in NE. TV ratings are one such tool.

BC and Uconn did not play against each other in BB for, what? 9 years? That doesn't mean that I didn't know that BC was behind Uconn in the BB hierarchy in NE during those years.

UConn beat BC like twenty times in a row to cement that hierarchy. I'd like to see the two teams play against eachother in football, instead of resorting to TV figures and conference payouts to decide.

(02-14-2014 09:25 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 09:17 AM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 09:02 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 08:52 AM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 08:28 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  UConn is ahead of 8 P5 conference teams on that list. Including 3 from the ACC.

You are correct, Hank. Uconn beat out Duke, WF, and Virginia. My limited point, however, was using the data to rebut the "0.0 ratings" idiocy that some in your fan base indulge in. On that point, I think the data illustrates the FB hierarchy in New England quite nicely.

Not surprisingly, as one of your fellow fans proved, when you cannot win the FB argument, change the subject quick to BB!

There is no FB hierarchy in New England until games are played between the two.

Ready when you are for that one.

Certainly won't dispute that head-to-head games aren't a good measure. That said, in the absence of games, I think one can safely rely on other measures to get a good indication as to the status of the respective programs in NE. TV ratings are one such tool.

BC and Uconn did not play against each other in BB for, what? 9 years? That doesn't mean that I didn't know that BC was behind Uconn in the BB hierarchy in NE during those years.

UConn beat BC like twenty times in a row to cement that hierarchy. I'd like to see the two teams play against eachother in football, instead of resorting to TV figures and conference payouts to decide.

OK...I'll play. If you want to use historical records in FB. BC is 12-0-1 against Uconn - including 4-0 in recent years - since 2000. So, by your logic, well, you get my point. Look, I don't disagree that head-to-head games aren't the best way to answer this question - but that's not gonna happen anytime soon.

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(02-14-2014 09:36 AM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 09:25 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 09:17 AM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 09:02 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 08:52 AM)Eagle78 Wrote:  You are correct, Hank. Uconn beat out Duke, WF, and Virginia. My limited point, however, was using the data to rebut the "0.0 ratings" idiocy that some in your fan base indulge in. On that point, I think the data illustrates the FB hierarchy in New England quite nicely.

Not surprisingly, as one of your fellow fans proved, when you cannot win the FB argument, change the subject quick to BB!

There is no FB hierarchy in New England until games are played between the two.

Ready when you are for that one.

Certainly won't dispute that head-to-head games aren't a good measure. That said, in the absence of games, I think one can safely rely on other measures to get a good indication as to the status of the respective programs in NE. TV ratings are one such tool.

BC and Uconn did not play against each other in BB for, what? 9 years? That doesn't mean that I didn't know that BC was behind Uconn in the BB hierarchy in NE during those years.

UConn beat BC like twenty times in a row to cement that hierarchy. I'd like to see the two teams play against eachother in football, instead of resorting to TV figures and conference payouts to decide.

OK...I'll play. If you want to use historical records in FB. BC is 12-0-1 against Uconn - including 4-0 in recent years - since 2000. So, by your logic, well, you get my point.

I think the only thing to note is that the 4 games since 2000 were the only games played while both were FBS (2 of which were played during the transition period) as UConn jumped up in 2000. It would be nice to see how the teams stack up against each other a decade later.

Guys these conference movements all have major undertones with claiming geographic turf, brand collection and cable box accumulation.

BC is the long established brand in New England for high major sports. UConn is the upstart challenging that position. BC from what I have read prefers to stay the ACC's sole NE team.

Connecticut is actually a rich turf area where NY/Boston pro teams wage brand battle. This creates insecurities for UConn fans as they realize their state is a battle ground between pro sports teams in other states. In fact SW CT is basically a bedroom community for high income NY'ers. They (UConn) are the State Land Grant but still not on a scale as all the other P5 schools. UConn upgrading to Div 1A has cemented a college fan base that is CT first (it was already there in BB but it exploded in FB after they upgraded) but that is under attack again as the AAC has been relegated to mid-major status (rightly or wrongly) and UConn has hit a nadir of play (GRob Cuse bad). UConn's stadium is nice and has good amenities but it's main drawback is it is 25 miles from campus (but a few miles from the Capital). Tailgating is first rate (better than Cuse and BC who are handicapped by urban footprint). UConn seems like a no-brainer to me for ACC inclusion but for now the ACC is pressing on without them. UConn would flourish in the ACC.

UConn's biggest disadvantages: Not much of a FB brand, reputation for drunk T-shirt fans being jerks towards visitors, and the lawsuit which created ill will in the ACC.

BC looks happy having their next major conference competitor about 5 hours away. I know Cuse hates UMD leaving and I'm not so sure they would prefer Cincy over UConn if one spot was offered.

(02-14-2014 09:52 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 09:36 AM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 09:25 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 09:17 AM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(02-14-2014 09:02 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  There is no FB hierarchy in New England until games are played between the two.

Ready when you are for that one.

Certainly won't dispute that head-to-head games aren't a good measure. That said, in the absence of games, I think one can safely rely on other measures to get a good indication as to the status of the respective programs in NE. TV ratings are one such tool.

BC and Uconn did not play against each other in BB for, what? 9 years? That doesn't mean that I didn't know that BC was behind Uconn in the BB hierarchy in NE during those years.

UConn beat BC like twenty times in a row to cement that hierarchy. I'd like to see the two teams play against eachother in football, instead of resorting to TV figures and conference payouts to decide.

OK...I'll play. If you want to use historical records in FB. BC is 12-0-1 against Uconn - including 4-0 in recent years - since 2000. So, by your logic, well, you get my point.

I think the only thing to note is that the 4 games since 2000 were the only games played while both were FBS (2 of which were played during the transition period) as UConn jumped up in 2000. It would be nice to see how the teams stack up against each other a decade later.

Don't necessarily disagree, although to be honest, I think the Uconn program in 2004 was better than it is today.

(02-14-2014 10:26 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Guys these conference movements all have major undertones with claiming geographic turf, brand collection and cable box accumulation.

BC is the long established brand in New England for high major sports. UConn is the upstart challenging that position. BC from what I have read prefers to stay the ACC's sole NE team.

Connecticut is actually a rich turf area where NY/Boston pro teams wage brand battle. This creates insecurities for UConn fans as they realize their state is a battle ground between pro sports teams in other states. In fact SW CT is basically a bedroom community for high income NY'ers. They (UConn) are the State Land Grant but still not on a scale as all the other P5 schools. UConn upgrading to Div 1A has cemented a college fan base that is CT first (it was already there in BB but it exploded in FB after they upgraded) but that is under attack again as the AAC has been relegated to mid-major status (rightly or wrongly). UConn's stadium is nice and has good amenities but it's main drawback is it is 25 miles from campus (but a few miles from the Capital). Tailgating is first rate (better than Cuse and BC who are handicapped by urban footprint). UConn seems like a no-brainer to me for ACC inclusion but for now the ACC is pressing on without them. UConn would flourish in the ACC.

UConn's biggest disadvantages: Not much of a FB brand, reputation for drunk T-shirt fans being jerks towards visitors, and the lawsuit which created ill will in the ACC.

BC looks happy having their next major conference competitor about 5 hours away. I know Cuse hates UMD leaving and I'm not so sure they would prefer Cincy over UConn if one spot was offered.

I agree with most of this except 2 things:

- BC is the long-established brand in NE for football and hockey.

- Every team has a few of those fans (especially from what we've seen the past few weeks in basketball), but they tend to not represent an entire fan-base.

Point One...agreed UConn is the major brand in Hoops in NE (was thinking more FB)

Point Two...somewhat agree but from personal observation I can say UConn fans are among the rudest I've come across. (Not as bad as WVU but worse than the typical P5 school) Could be a rival thing (Cuse vs UConn)...but I've heard the same from fans of other schools.