(02-09-2014 11:37 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 11:35 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 10:06 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 09:55 PM)Oduniceguy Wrote:  He's going to be fine. There are a lot of people supporting him. Not to mention he's one hell of an athlete.

I say the potential naysayers let his playing ability speak for itself.

Lets ask the guy who's locker is next to his.

Yea because all gay people want to jump the bones of every person they see. I hear they are like rabbits and if not controlled they would mate with everyone.

you should spend more time reading and understanding the thread, and less time googling gifs.

No need to google that gif. It's right here on this board; listed under "smilies".

Michael Sam captured on video dancing topless in Missouri gay bar

Quote:Footage of NFL hopeful Michael Sam dancing topless in a Missouri gay bar showing off his best moves has emerged in the week he dramatically came out to the nation ahead of the draft.

Sam, 23, was videoed at the SoCo nightclub in Columbia in October - just a few months after he had told all his Mizzou team mates he was gay and received their overwhelming support.

In the footage, Sam dances along to Michael Jackson's Rock With You alongside a group of excited looking women, who all seem to be enjoying themselves.

Not only gay, but overtly classless too. I bet his dad is proud. Oops, or not...

(02-10-2014 03:43 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 02:41 AM)Funslinger Wrote:  Many of you are going to be horrified to learn the truth.

Just 12 words, but enough irony to last forever.

Touche. I should've put horrified in quotes as that's the way I meant it.

So, Many of you are going to be "horrified" to learn the truth.

(02-10-2014 08:50 AM)EagleX Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 02:35 AM)Funslinger Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 12:28 AM)EagleX Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 12:15 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(02-09-2014 11:53 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  Oh yeah? How do you know that every football team in America (college or pro) has had somebody gay on the team? That is pure assumption. No fact.

It might not be a fact but it's likely. It's been estimated that 3.8% of Americans identify as gay and the real number is probably higher since a lot of the lgbt community don't identify themselves. It's a long held belief that the number is closer to 10%. So if you use the 10% figure, on a team of 50+ men, the probability of at least one being gay is fairly high.

3.8% is way high. The CDC put it at 2.8 a few years ago, and that seemed high. The 10% number is just pure crap, and has been known to be crap for decades.

Ultimately, I don't think it matters, but it blows a big hole in your probability based "a gay guy has seen you naked!" argument, which I think is pretty pointless to begin with.

3.8% is way low as many don't identify themselves as homosexual because there are too many people like you who think less of them simply because of their sexual orientation. For the vast majority, it is not a choice.

first off all, you have no clue what I think on the subject. I simply haven't commented on the central issue. what I have criticized is the circus maximus atmosphere that always surrounds this sort of "revelation".

3.8% is what the CDC says, dude. if you've got a problem with that, you just have a problem with observable reality. the rest of your post is a political rant based on a persecution theory that hasn't reflected reality in 20 years.

Ok. I'm with you if they turn it into a media circus. You have a valid point. I don't see this lasting for very long though. The media will rake in some advertizing dollars for a few weeks and move on.

As to your persecution theory, if I asked you to chose between having sex with a man or a woman, is it really a choice for you. One of those options is not even viable for you.

Same thing for the vast majority of homosexuals. But of course, there are always that rare small group of people who choose to do so because of the pain they cause for friends and family.

The ones you should really throw your hate behind are the bi-sexuals, the ones who really do have a choice.

(02-10-2014 01:26 PM)Lee Moses Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 01:07 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  Yeah I don't think you guys get why people are so vocal about it. It's because of the discrimination and the negativity that comes along with being gay.

Really? Discrimination against homosexuals has all but disappeared, and by and large the reception of someone declaring his homosexuality today is very positive. If discrimination and negativity were really the reason for the present vocality of homosexuals, you would see that vocality decreasing proportionately as "discrimination" and negativity also decrease, rather than the reverse.

Says someone who doesn't have to deal with it. My cousin is gay and deals with it all the time. It may have all but disappeared from the public forum, but it is still rappant in small or private altercations.

(02-10-2014 01:38 PM)Lee Moses Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 01:33 PM)keebler645 Wrote:  You couldn't be more wrong.

Public Opinion of Same Sex Marriage in the US

Quote:Polls in 2013[edit]
A Bloomberg National Poll conducted by Selzer & Company taken during September 20-23, 2013 found that 55% supported same-sex marriage, while 36% opposed and 9% unsure.[13]
A September Quinnipiac University poll found that 56% of American adults and 57% of registered voters supported same-sex marriage. Only 36% of both groups were opposed.[14]
A July 10–14 poll by Gallup found support for same-sex marriage at 54%, a record high, and double the support of 27% Gallup first measured when the question was asked in 1996.[15]
A July poll by USA Today found that 55% of Americans supported same-sex marriage while 40% did not.[16]
A May 9 Washington Post-ABC News poll found that 55% of Americans supported same-sex marriage while 40% did not.[17]
A March 20–24 CBS News Poll found that 53% of Americans supported same-sex marriage, 39% opposed it, and 8% were undecided.[18] The same poll also found that 33% of Americans who thought same-sex couples should be allowed to legally marry said they once held the opposite view and had changed their opinion.
A March 7–10 Washington Post-ABC News[19] poll found that 58% of Americans support same-sex marriage while 36% opposed. The poll indicated that 52% of GOP-leaning independents under 50 years old supported same-sex marriage.[20]
A March Quinnipiac University poll of voters found 47% supported same-sex marriage and 43% were opposed.[21]

Poll after poll in 2013 shows those for gay marriage to be in the mid-to-high 50's while those against to be in the mid-to-high 30's. And that's for marriage. The percentage who don't have some moral objection would likely be higher.

I don't know what huge majority you claim to be part of.

Of course you are free to think and speak as you wish. I fully support your right to do so. But obviously there are consequences to your actions. And those who believe there's something morally wrong with being gay are quickly going the way of the dodo.

That's all good and fine. But morals are not determined by means of a popular vote.

Yes they are. Morals are relative.

(02-10-2014 01:49 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Lee, for some reason I can't believe that sticking a ***** inside a cavity where excrement comes out is normal. Sorry, just can't. Not even animals do that. Hmm, maybe they're smarter than we are.

Yes animals do. Homosexuality is common in the animal kingdom.

(02-13-2014 09:15 AM)Funslinger Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 01:49 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Lee, for some reason I can't believe that sticking a ***** inside a cavity where excrement comes out is normal. Sorry, just can't. Not even animals do that. Hmm, maybe they're smarter than we are.

Yes animals do. Homosexuality is common in the animal kingdom.

Call me silly but I'd like to think we're better than beasts.

Most of us are so, guess there's that.

(02-13-2014 08:59 AM)Funslinger Wrote:  The ones you should really throw your hate behind are the bi-sexuals, the ones who really do have a choice.

So if someone sucks full time, I should praise and cheer them on, but if they are part time fudge packers, I should hate them. Makes sense.

(02-10-2014 08:45 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 04:43 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 11:13 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 11:06 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 11:01 AM)SethManKA1 Wrote:  For me personally I agree that he is a talented athlete and wish him the best in his career, but I do disagree with his homosexuality as I see it as a moral issue.


SMTTT

You better duck. You're not allowed to think like that in America 2.0

The Liberal crowd "thinks" you aren't allowed to think like that in America 2.0. I have news for them....I'll think what I want to think and a huge majority feel the same way.

No, you can if you choice to, but that doesn't give you the right to force your views on other or infringe on their rights or limit their rights purely based of your moral/religious beliefs.

So the media and half the country bags on Tebow because he's a Christian, but when a gay guy comes out of the closet we all have STFU. Right?

Even though I'm an atheist, I think folks were too hard on Tebow. Unless he was running around the locker room trying to convert players.

(02-11-2014 12:08 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(02-11-2014 11:58 AM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 10:29 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  What makes me the most angry about this story are those who say he showed lots of courage to make this decision. HELL NO!!!! A soldier in battle shows courage, a fireman that rescues someone from a burning building shows courage, a cop who faces down an armed suspect shows courage, coming out of the closet is hardly the stuff heroes are made of, more like ZERO'S.

Yeah, this is biggest load of garbage I've ever read.

You're trying to tell me that unless you are saving lives or putting yourself in front of bullets, you aren't showing courage? So, that means that maybe 1 percent of the world's population shows courage.

You see courage in everyday life from everyday people. "Every day, ordinary people do extraordinary things."-Bob Richards

Maybe it isn't "heroic," but yeah...standing up for what you believe in and telling people who you are at the risk of being ostracized in public and in your future locker room is courageous.

Except that you're going to face far more praise than ostracism, sure, it takes butt loads of courage.

Butt loads of something.

So I guess we can put you on the list of ostracizers.

(02-11-2014 07:33 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(02-11-2014 11:58 AM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 10:29 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  What makes me the most angry about this story are those who say he showed lots of courage to make this decision. HELL NO!!!! A soldier in battle shows courage, a fireman that rescues someone from a burning building shows courage, a cop who faces down an armed suspect shows courage, coming out of the closet is hardly the stuff heroes are made of, more like ZERO'S.

Yeah, this is biggest load of garbage I've ever read.

You're trying to tell me that unless you are saving lives or putting yourself in front of bullets, you aren't showing courage? So, that means that maybe 1 percent of the world's population shows courage.

You see courage in everyday life from everyday people. "Every day, ordinary people do extraordinary things."-Bob Richards

Maybe it isn't "heroic," but yeah...standing up for what you believe in and telling people who you are at the risk of being ostracized in public and in your future locker room is courageous.

Coming out of the closet is not courageous, it's a choice. In this case if the guy can actually play in the NFL he'll make a BUTTLOAD of money for coming out. If this is courageous, then Tim Tebow is COURAGEOUS X 10 because being openly Christian in America is a dangerous thing for your career and Tebow is proof.

Another one on the ostracizer list.

(02-11-2014 08:01 PM)gcp_mineros Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 02:55 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 02:08 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 01:49 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Lee, for some reason I can't believe that sticking a ***** inside a cavity where excrement comes out is normal. Sorry, just can't. Not even animals do that. Hmm, maybe they're smarter than we are.

Then don't do it...problem solved...but because you think it's gross doesn't change who he is.

No, it won't change squat. But this goes to those who think it's normal and if you don't agree then you're the one that's wrong. If it was normal as those that think it is why is there only about (what numbers were they throwing around) 3%. That's 97% who think otherwise.

Look, it's not my business to judge their behavior but don't come espousing these outlandish views if you don't want to hear from people who "DISAGREE" with you. It's a common gripe from many here that they don't want Christians "evangelizing" but they think it's okay for them to spew out their worldly beliefs. Don't be a hypocrite.

I'm speaking for myself here, but don't come here making a hero of someone like Sam and I won't come here making a hero of Christ, which He is. Ok?

Freedom of religion is a right according to our constitution while same sex marriage is not. That is a poor analogy

Where does the constitution state that same-sex marriage is not a right?

... the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...

(02-11-2014 09:21 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(02-11-2014 08:52 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-11-2014 08:49 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  

(02-11-2014 07:33 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(02-11-2014 11:58 AM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  Yeah, this is biggest load of garbage I've ever read.

You're trying to tell me that unless you are saving lives or putting yourself in front of bullets, you aren't showing courage? So, that means that maybe 1 percent of the world's population shows courage.

You see courage in everyday life from everyday people. "Every day, ordinary people do extraordinary things."-Bob Richards

Maybe it isn't "heroic," but yeah...standing up for what you believe in and telling people who you are at the risk of being ostracized in public and in your future locker room is courageous.

Coming out of the closet is not courageous, it's a choice. In this case if the guy can actually play in the NFL he'll make a BUTTLOAD of money for coming out. If this is courageous, then Tim Tebow is COURAGEOUS X 10 because being openly Christian in America is a dangerous thing for your career and Tebow is proof.

What garbage. Tebow's career was not hurt because he is a Christian. The only thing that hurt Tebow's career is that he was incapable of being an NFL qb.

And he certainly got a shot. And plenty of fundamentalists play in the NFL.

Last openly Fundamentalist Christian player I can remember is Reggie White. If they are currently plenty name two that are open about it.

I know he's not current, but Kurt Warner was an openly fundamentalist christian.

(02-12-2014 08:52 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  I just read a story in the paper about how ashamed Sam's father is. So is his father a homophobe or racist?

Regarding the locker room concerns; if this guy, who is attracted to men, is allowed to see naked men in a locker room, then why can't I go peeking in the women's locker room?

Because, sadly, many men impose their sexual desires on women more than they do on other men.

(02-12-2014 11:14 PM)keebler645 Wrote:  

(02-11-2014 09:20 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Two words for you Heinz Ward not much of a NFL QB but his talent was used elsewhere and he had a long career. NFL teams have said Tebow has talent they could use, but they don't want the media attention he brings.

Hines Ward is a devout Christian and played with a verse from Philippians taped in his locker. He was also named to some sort of official council on Asian-American relations by Obama so there goes both theories on here about the NFL and Obama blackballing Christians.

Again, the self-proclaimed persecution from many Christians in this country is astounding.

But the problem is that many of them "feel" persecuted if someone simply disagrees with them. Rather than taking it as a simple disagreement, it becomes about them and "our" hatred for them.

(02-12-2014 11:15 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-12-2014 11:06 PM)keebler645 Wrote:  

(02-12-2014 08:52 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  I just read a story in the paper about how ashamed Sam's father is. So is his father a homophobe or racist?

Regarding the locker room concerns; if this guy, who is attracted to men, is allowed to see naked men in a locker room, then why can't I go peeking in the women's locker room?

I've never understood why anybody would care whether a gay or straight man sees them naked in the locker room. If a gay dude wants to touch himself at night thinking about me, then by god I'll take it as a compliment. At the end of the day what does it really matter? Now if he becomes sexually aggressive or harassing, or if he's whackin it in the corner, that's a different story. But of course there's no evidence that will happen in the NFL or any other locker room.

I think the number we settled on is about 1 in 25 men are gay so if you've spent much time naked in a football locker room or at the Y, chances are plenty of gay dudes have seen your junk. And if it does bother you, wouldn't you rather know which ones are gay so you can wear a towel if they're around?

What do you propose we do about locker rooms and bathrooms around the country? 4 different ones for straight men, straight women, gay men, and gay women? What about those who go both ways? Obviously that gets ridiculous at some point and even then, the gay locker rooms will still have people attracted to each other. The etiquette in any locker room I think is pretty obviously not to look at anybody else's junk, regardless of whether or not you're attracted to them. If a gay or straight person breaches that etiquette, call them out on it, they deserve it. Otherwise just go about your business.

Keebler, you make a good argument, but according to the left, we need separate locker rooms and bathrooms for those among us who are built like one gender and think they're another - see California. It would appear that being comfortable in locker and bathroom environments is only important if you're anything but straight.

There are just as many wackos on the left as the right. The vast majority of us fall somewhere in that large middle part.

(02-13-2014 09:24 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(02-13-2014 09:15 AM)Funslinger Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 01:49 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Lee, for some reason I can't believe that sticking a ***** inside a cavity where excrement comes out is normal. Sorry, just can't. Not even animals do that. Hmm, maybe they're smarter than we are.

Yes animals do. Homosexuality is common in the animal kingdom.

Call me silly but I'd like to think we're better than beasts.

Most of us are so, guess there's that.

If you're not a plant, moldy fungus or bacterium, you're an animal. The main thing that separates us from the other animals is the large gray matter between our ears.

(02-13-2014 09:25 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(02-13-2014 08:59 AM)Funslinger Wrote:  The ones you should really throw your hate behind are the bi-sexuals, the ones who really do have a choice.

So if someone sucks full time, I should praise and cheer them on, but if they are part time fudge packers, I should hate them. Makes sense.

I don't recall telling you to praise and cheer them on. Let's just start with accepting their choice and moving on.

And another reason to add you to the list of ostracizers. Your hatred is blatantly obvious. You can have your personal opinions of gays, but is the terminology really necessary?

Dude, you could have put your 50 posts one post consisting of about 5 words.