I mean good for him and all, but what sucks is that ESPN isn't going to let this die. Ever.

For me personally I agree that he is a talented athlete and wish him the best in his career, but I do disagree with his homosexuality as I see it as a moral issue.


SMTTT

(02-10-2014 11:01 AM)SethManKA1 Wrote:  For me personally I agree that he is a talented athlete and wish him the best in his career, but I do disagree with his homosexuality as I see it as a moral issue.


SMTTT

You better duck. You're not allowed to think like that in America 2.0

(02-10-2014 09:10 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  I mean good for him and all, but what sucks is that ESPN isn't going to let this die. Ever.

At least until Little Nicky Saban switches to firm bristle tooth brush to soft.

(02-10-2014 11:06 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 11:01 AM)SethManKA1 Wrote:  For me personally I agree that he is a talented athlete and wish him the best in his career, but I do disagree with his homosexuality as I see it as a moral issue.


SMTTT

You better duck. You're not allowed to think like that in America 2.0

The Liberal crowd "thinks" you aren't allowed to think like that in America 2.0. I have news for them....I'll think what I want to think and a huge majority feel the same way.

(02-10-2014 12:07 AM)Texas2Step Wrote:  Riddle me this.....

Why does the gay man HAVE to come out and tell the world that he's gay? What does that possibly have to do with football?

Would it be right for me to just go to work or class one day and scream out "Hey look at me! I'm straight and proud! I like ******!" Makes no sense, doesn't it?

Or should a black person just yell out at the office "Hey I'm Black!" Or and Asian person, "Hey I'm Asian and proud!, Look at me!!!!".

I just wonder why this whole sexual orientation crap is seeming to be getting shoved down the throats of this country whether we agree with it or not. I say for gay people, LIVE YOUR FREAKING SEX LIVES and LEAVE US OUT OF IT. We don't care!!!

I agree. Leave us out of it. We dont care. Its the Liberal media shoving this down everyone's throat.

(02-10-2014 11:16 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 12:07 AM)Texas2Step Wrote:  Riddle me this.....

Why does the gay man HAVE to come out and tell the world that he's gay? What does that possibly have to do with football?

Would it be right for me to just go to work or class one day and scream out "Hey look at me! I'm straight and proud! I like ******!" Makes no sense, doesn't it?

Or should a black person just yell out at the office "Hey I'm Black!" Or and Asian person, "Hey I'm Asian and proud!, Look at me!!!!".

I just wonder why this whole sexual orientation crap is seeming to be getting shoved down the throats of this country whether we agree with it or not. I say for gay people, LIVE YOUR FREAKING SEX LIVES and LEAVE US OUT OF IT. We don't care!!!

I agree. Leave us out of it. We dont care. Its the Liberal media shoving this down everyone's throat.

Yeah I don't think you guys get why people are so vocal about it. It's because of the discrimination and the negativity that comes along with being gay. I love sports and I am a huge bro, and I'm also gay - and just for that reason I've encountered people that just stop at nothing to put me down.

It sucks, and that's why people get so fed up with it. It's like when blacks didn't have equal rights - that's the closest thing I can come up with. They were treated like second-class citizens all the time. It's not nearly that bad, as most people seem to be either ambivalent or positive about it all, but at the same time the stakes are still there and it's annoying to just have someone say "Leave us out of it. We don't care.". Honestly though that's what it should be - let us have what we want to be happy (the same 'rights') and just butt the hell out of it.

It takes real courage to do what he just did. It'll hurt his standing in the draft, most of the prognosticators predict, but I'm not sure about that. Maybe some team will be trailblazers and make a statement by drafting him early or something. We'll have to wait and see.

I was wondering when this would happen. I'm glad to see it happened just now. More power to him - I'll be cheering for him and, I guess, Mizzou when the time is right.

I love the "If you can play, you can play." campaign that's been going on. The message it has is great, and I'm very glad to see people like Michael Sam taking the message to heart as it spreads through college campuses. We just did something like that down here in Miami a few days ago - had a good crowd for it, of course Miami is a liberal area, but still...

(02-10-2014 01:07 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  Yeah I don't think you guys get why people are so vocal about it. It's because of the discrimination and the negativity that comes along with being gay.

Really? Discrimination against homosexuals has all but disappeared, and by and large the reception of someone declaring his homosexuality today is very positive. If discrimination and negativity were really the reason for the present vocality of homosexuals, you would see that vocality decreasing proportionately as "discrimination" and negativity also decrease, rather than the reverse.

(02-10-2014 11:13 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 11:06 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 11:01 AM)SethManKA1 Wrote:  For me personally I agree that he is a talented athlete and wish him the best in his career, but I do disagree with his homosexuality as I see it as a moral issue.


SMTTT

You better duck. You're not allowed to think like that in America 2.0

The Liberal crowd "thinks" you aren't allowed to think like that in America 2.0. I have news for them....I'll think what I want to think and a huge majority feel the same way.

You couldn't be more wrong.

Public Opinion of Same Sex Marriage in the US

Quote:Polls in 2013[edit]
A Bloomberg National Poll conducted by Selzer & Company taken during September 20-23, 2013 found that 55% supported same-sex marriage, while 36% opposed and 9% unsure.[13]
A September Quinnipiac University poll found that 56% of American adults and 57% of registered voters supported same-sex marriage. Only 36% of both groups were opposed.[14]
A July 10–14 poll by Gallup found support for same-sex marriage at 54%, a record high, and double the support of 27% Gallup first measured when the question was asked in 1996.[15]
A July poll by USA Today found that 55% of Americans supported same-sex marriage while 40% did not.[16]
A May 9 Washington Post-ABC News poll found that 55% of Americans supported same-sex marriage while 40% did not.[17]
A March 20–24 CBS News Poll found that 53% of Americans supported same-sex marriage, 39% opposed it, and 8% were undecided.[18] The same poll also found that 33% of Americans who thought same-sex couples should be allowed to legally marry said they once held the opposite view and had changed their opinion.
A March 7–10 Washington Post-ABC News[19] poll found that 58% of Americans support same-sex marriage while 36% opposed. The poll indicated that 52% of GOP-leaning independents under 50 years old supported same-sex marriage.[20]
A March Quinnipiac University poll of voters found 47% supported same-sex marriage and 43% were opposed.[21]

Poll after poll in 2013 shows those for gay marriage to be in the mid-to-high 50's while those against to be in the mid-to-high 30's. And that's for marriage. The percentage who don't have some moral objection would likely be higher.

I don't know what huge majority you claim to be part of.

Of course you are free to think and speak as you wish. I fully support your right to do so. But obviously there are consequences to your actions. And those who believe there's something morally wrong with being gay are quickly going the way of the dodo.

(02-10-2014 01:33 PM)keebler645 Wrote:  You couldn't be more wrong.

Public Opinion of Same Sex Marriage in the US

Quote:Polls in 2013[edit]
A Bloomberg National Poll conducted by Selzer & Company taken during September 20-23, 2013 found that 55% supported same-sex marriage, while 36% opposed and 9% unsure.[13]
A September Quinnipiac University poll found that 56% of American adults and 57% of registered voters supported same-sex marriage. Only 36% of both groups were opposed.[14]
A July 10–14 poll by Gallup found support for same-sex marriage at 54%, a record high, and double the support of 27% Gallup first measured when the question was asked in 1996.[15]
A July poll by USA Today found that 55% of Americans supported same-sex marriage while 40% did not.[16]
A May 9 Washington Post-ABC News poll found that 55% of Americans supported same-sex marriage while 40% did not.[17]
A March 20–24 CBS News Poll found that 53% of Americans supported same-sex marriage, 39% opposed it, and 8% were undecided.[18] The same poll also found that 33% of Americans who thought same-sex couples should be allowed to legally marry said they once held the opposite view and had changed their opinion.
A March 7–10 Washington Post-ABC News[19] poll found that 58% of Americans support same-sex marriage while 36% opposed. The poll indicated that 52% of GOP-leaning independents under 50 years old supported same-sex marriage.[20]
A March Quinnipiac University poll of voters found 47% supported same-sex marriage and 43% were opposed.[21]

Poll after poll in 2013 shows those for gay marriage to be in the mid-to-high 50's while those against to be in the mid-to-high 30's. And that's for marriage. The percentage who don't have some moral objection would likely be higher.

I don't know what huge majority you claim to be part of.

Of course you are free to think and speak as you wish. I fully support your right to do so. But obviously there are consequences to your actions. And those who believe there's something morally wrong with being gay are quickly going the way of the dodo.

That's all good and fine. But morals are not determined by means of a popular vote.

(02-10-2014 01:38 PM)Lee Moses Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 01:33 PM)keebler645 Wrote:  You couldn't be more wrong.

Public Opinion of Same Sex Marriage in the US

Quote:Polls in 2013[edit]
A Bloomberg National Poll conducted by Selzer & Company taken during September 20-23, 2013 found that 55% supported same-sex marriage, while 36% opposed and 9% unsure.[13]
A September Quinnipiac University poll found that 56% of American adults and 57% of registered voters supported same-sex marriage. Only 36% of both groups were opposed.[14]
A July 10–14 poll by Gallup found support for same-sex marriage at 54%, a record high, and double the support of 27% Gallup first measured when the question was asked in 1996.[15]
A July poll by USA Today found that 55% of Americans supported same-sex marriage while 40% did not.[16]
A May 9 Washington Post-ABC News poll found that 55% of Americans supported same-sex marriage while 40% did not.[17]
A March 20–24 CBS News Poll found that 53% of Americans supported same-sex marriage, 39% opposed it, and 8% were undecided.[18] The same poll also found that 33% of Americans who thought same-sex couples should be allowed to legally marry said they once held the opposite view and had changed their opinion.
A March 7–10 Washington Post-ABC News[19] poll found that 58% of Americans support same-sex marriage while 36% opposed. The poll indicated that 52% of GOP-leaning independents under 50 years old supported same-sex marriage.[20]
A March Quinnipiac University poll of voters found 47% supported same-sex marriage and 43% were opposed.[21]

Poll after poll in 2013 shows those for gay marriage to be in the mid-to-high 50's while those against to be in the mid-to-high 30's. And that's for marriage. The percentage who don't have some moral objection would likely be higher.

I don't know what huge majority you claim to be part of.

Of course you are free to think and speak as you wish. I fully support your right to do so. But obviously there are consequences to your actions. And those who believe there's something morally wrong with being gay are quickly going the way of the dodo.

That's all good and fine. But morals are not determined by means of a popular vote.

The validity/credibility of the popular vote in this country was forever tarnished in '08 & '12. It just shows people are sheep and are easily swayed by shiny objects and the loudest protestors.

(02-09-2014 11:31 PM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  This wouldn't be a big deal if we didn't have to hear the media refer to the player as a gay football player on every play. Every time this guy tackles the tight end its going to be a five minute debate on NBC about gay marriage and how teams from south play in states that haven't legalized it with the commentary from the broadcast booth. This will turn off a lot of fans not because of the player but the media shoving this down our throats during a game we are watching with the family.

Oh, and you had to pick a tight end? You're a hater!

(02-10-2014 01:39 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 01:38 PM)Lee Moses Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 01:33 PM)keebler645 Wrote:  You couldn't be more wrong.

Public Opinion of Same Sex Marriage in the US

Quote:Polls in 2013[edit]
A Bloomberg National Poll conducted by Selzer & Company taken during September 20-23, 2013 found that 55% supported same-sex marriage, while 36% opposed and 9% unsure.[13]
A September Quinnipiac University poll found that 56% of American adults and 57% of registered voters supported same-sex marriage. Only 36% of both groups were opposed.[14]
A July 10–14 poll by Gallup found support for same-sex marriage at 54%, a record high, and double the support of 27% Gallup first measured when the question was asked in 1996.[15]
A July poll by USA Today found that 55% of Americans supported same-sex marriage while 40% did not.[16]
A May 9 Washington Post-ABC News poll found that 55% of Americans supported same-sex marriage while 40% did not.[17]
A March 20–24 CBS News Poll found that 53% of Americans supported same-sex marriage, 39% opposed it, and 8% were undecided.[18] The same poll also found that 33% of Americans who thought same-sex couples should be allowed to legally marry said they once held the opposite view and had changed their opinion.
A March 7–10 Washington Post-ABC News[19] poll found that 58% of Americans support same-sex marriage while 36% opposed. The poll indicated that 52% of GOP-leaning independents under 50 years old supported same-sex marriage.[20]
A March Quinnipiac University poll of voters found 47% supported same-sex marriage and 43% were opposed.[21]

Poll after poll in 2013 shows those for gay marriage to be in the mid-to-high 50's while those against to be in the mid-to-high 30's. And that's for marriage. The percentage who don't have some moral objection would likely be higher.

I don't know what huge majority you claim to be part of.

Of course you are free to think and speak as you wish. I fully support your right to do so. But obviously there are consequences to your actions. And those who believe there's something morally wrong with being gay are quickly going the way of the dodo.

That's all good and fine. But morals are not determined by means of a popular vote.

The validity/credibility of the popular vote in this country was forever tarnished in '08 & '12. It just shows people are sheep and are easily swayed by shiny objects and the loudest protestors.

it proves that we can't tell the difference between voting for president, and voting for american idol. they both seem to happen in our TV.

Lee, for some reason I can't believe that sticking a ***** inside a cavity where excrement comes out is normal. Sorry, just can't. Not even animals do that. Hmm, maybe they're smarter than we are.

(02-10-2014 01:49 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Lee, for some reason I can't believe that sticking a ***** inside a cavity where excrement comes out is normal. Sorry, just can't. Not even animals do that. Hmm, maybe they're smarter than we are.

Actually, some in fact, do.

(02-10-2014 01:49 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Lee, for some reason I can't believe that sticking a ***** inside a cavity where excrement comes out is normal. Sorry, just can't. Not even animals do that. Hmm, maybe they're smarter than we are.

Let me ask you, are you circumcised? I am & when I think about it, that **** is CRAZY. But it's still normal.

I find the world & human existence is very complex stuff and trying to simplify it as you have doesn't really bring you closer to the truth.

BTW, don't knock it 'till you try it.

(02-10-2014 01:39 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  The validity/credibility of the popular vote in this country was forever tarnished in '08 & '12. It just shows people are sheep and are easily swayed by shiny objects and the loudest protestors.

That's one of the more ridiculous things I've read in awhile.

I could easily argue that the popular vote was destroyed in 2004 because a bunch of easily scared sheep re-elected Bush in the name of national security.

Whether the country votes Democrat/Republican goes back and forth every couple election cycles and rarely swings drastically in either direction. Public support for gay rights has steadily risen for 20 years thanks largely to the LGBT community speaking out and demanding the same civil rights given to other human beings in this country.

(02-10-2014 01:38 PM)Lee Moses Wrote:  That's all good and fine. But morals are not determined by means of a popular vote.

And, more importantly, our laws are not determined by a Bible.

(02-10-2014 01:54 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 01:49 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Lee, for some reason I can't believe that sticking a ***** inside a cavity where excrement comes out is normal. Sorry, just can't. Not even animals do that. Hmm, maybe they're smarter than we are.

Let me ask you, are you circumcised? I am & when I think about it, that **** is CRAZY. But it's still normal.

I find the world & human existence is very complex stuff and trying to simplify it as you have doesn't really bring you closer to the truth.

BTW, don't knock it 'till you try it.

I did. she screamed. then she pooed on me. thanks, I'll pass from now on.

(02-10-2014 01:54 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 01:49 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Lee, for some reason I can't believe that sticking a ***** inside a cavity where excrement comes out is normal. Sorry, just can't. Not even animals do that. Hmm, maybe they're smarter than we are.

Let me ask you, are you circumcised? I am & when I think about it, that **** is CRAZY. But it's still normal.

I find the world & human existence is very complex stuff and trying to simplify it as you have doesn't really bring you closer to the truth.

BTW, don't knock it 'till you try it.

That still doesn't make it normal. Abnormal yes, normal no way. Preach it any way you want, you'll lose.