I watch the games, and don't really give a rip what they do when they're not playing.

Like Large Charles said, they are not role models.

(02-11-2014 11:58 AM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 10:29 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  What makes me the most angry about this story are those who say he showed lots of courage to make this decision. HELL NO!!!! A soldier in battle shows courage, a fireman that rescues someone from a burning building shows courage, a cop who faces down an armed suspect shows courage, coming out of the closet is hardly the stuff heroes are made of, more like ZERO'S.

Yeah, this is biggest load of garbage I've ever read.

You're trying to tell me that unless you are saving lives or putting yourself in front of bullets, you aren't showing courage? So, that means that maybe 1 percent of the world's population shows courage.

You see courage in everyday life from everyday people. "Every day, ordinary people do extraordinary things."-Bob Richards

Maybe it isn't "heroic," but yeah...standing up for what you believe in and telling people who you are at the risk of being ostracized in public and in your future locker room is courageous.

Coming out of the closet is not courageous, it's a choice. In this case if the guy can actually play in the NFL he'll make a BUTTLOAD of money for coming out. If this is courageous, then Tim Tebow is COURAGEOUS X 10 because being openly Christian in America is a dangerous thing for your career and Tebow is proof.

(02-11-2014 07:33 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(02-11-2014 11:58 AM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 10:29 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  What makes me the most angry about this story are those who say he showed lots of courage to make this decision. HELL NO!!!! A soldier in battle shows courage, a fireman that rescues someone from a burning building shows courage, a cop who faces down an armed suspect shows courage, coming out of the closet is hardly the stuff heroes are made of, more like ZERO'S.

Yeah, this is biggest load of garbage I've ever read.

You're trying to tell me that unless you are saving lives or putting yourself in front of bullets, you aren't showing courage? So, that means that maybe 1 percent of the world's population shows courage.

You see courage in everyday life from everyday people. "Every day, ordinary people do extraordinary things."-Bob Richards

Maybe it isn't "heroic," but yeah...standing up for what you believe in and telling people who you are at the risk of being ostracized in public and in your future locker room is courageous.

Coming out of the closet is not courageous, it's a choice. In this case if the guy can actually play in the NFL he'll make a BUTTLOAD of money for coming out. If this is courageous, then Tim Tebow is COURAGEOUS X 10 because being openly Christian in America is a dangerous thing for your career and Tebow is proof.

With absolute conviction.........perception and reality are not the same for everyone

(02-10-2014 02:55 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 02:08 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 01:49 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Lee, for some reason I can't believe that sticking a ***** inside a cavity where excrement comes out is normal. Sorry, just can't. Not even animals do that. Hmm, maybe they're smarter than we are.

Then don't do it...problem solved...but because you think it's gross doesn't change who he is.

No, it won't change squat. But this goes to those who think it's normal and if you don't agree then you're the one that's wrong. If it was normal as those that think it is why is there only about (what numbers were they throwing around) 3%. That's 97% who think otherwise.

Look, it's not my business to judge their behavior but don't come espousing these outlandish views if you don't want to hear from people who "DISAGREE" with you. It's a common gripe from many here that they don't want Christians "evangelizing" but they think it's okay for them to spew out their worldly beliefs. Don't be a hypocrite.

I'm speaking for myself here, but don't come here making a hero of someone like Sam and I won't come here making a hero of Christ, which He is. Ok?

Freedom of religion is a right according to our constitution while same sex marriage is not. That is a poor analogy

(02-10-2014 12:07 AM)Texas2Step Wrote:  Riddle me this.....

Why does the gay man HAVE to come out and tell the world that he's gay? What does that possibly have to do with football?

Would it be right for me to just go to work or class one day and scream out "Hey look at me! I'm straight and proud! I like ******!" Makes no sense, doesn't it?

Or should a black person just yell out at the office "Hey I'm Black!" Or and Asian person, "Hey I'm Asian and proud!, Look at me!!!!".

I just wonder why this whole sexual orientation crap is seeming to be getting shoved down the throats of this country whether we agree with it or not. I say for gay people, LIVE YOUR FREAKING SEX LIVES and LEAVE US OUT OF IT. We don't care!!!

Yet you clicked on the thread and posted. BTW, who is we? Do you only have one Internet option and are speaking on behalf of the household?

(02-10-2014 01:26 PM)Lee Moses Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 01:07 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  Yeah I don't think you guys get why people are so vocal about it. It's because of the discrimination and the negativity that comes along with being gay.

Really? Discrimination against homosexuals has all but disappeared, and by and large the reception of someone declaring his homosexuality today is very positive. If discrimination and negativity were really the reason for the present vocality of homosexuals, you would see that vocality decreasing proportionately as "discrimination" and negativity also decrease, rather than the reverse.

While I agree that tolerance has increased your comment regarding discrimination disappearing is extremely puzzling. You may want to educate yourself a little more on the topic before you make such claims.

(02-11-2014 07:33 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(02-11-2014 11:58 AM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 10:29 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  What makes me the most angry about this story are those who say he showed lots of courage to make this decision. HELL NO!!!! A soldier in battle shows courage, a fireman that rescues someone from a burning building shows courage, a cop who faces down an armed suspect shows courage, coming out of the closet is hardly the stuff heroes are made of, more like ZERO'S.

Yeah, this is biggest load of garbage I've ever read.

You're trying to tell me that unless you are saving lives or putting yourself in front of bullets, you aren't showing courage? So, that means that maybe 1 percent of the world's population shows courage.

You see courage in everyday life from everyday people. "Every day, ordinary people do extraordinary things."-Bob Richards

Maybe it isn't "heroic," but yeah...standing up for what you believe in and telling people who you are at the risk of being ostracized in public and in your future locker room is courageous.

Coming out of the closet is not courageous, it's a choice. In this case if the guy can actually play in the NFL he'll make a BUTTLOAD of money for coming out. If this is courageous, then Tim Tebow is COURAGEOUS X 10 because being openly Christian in America is a dangerous thing for your career and Tebow is proof.

What garbage. Tebow's career was not hurt because he is a Christian. The only thing that hurt Tebow's career is that he was incapable of being an NFL qb.

(02-11-2014 08:49 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  

(02-11-2014 07:33 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(02-11-2014 11:58 AM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 10:29 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  What makes me the most angry about this story are those who say he showed lots of courage to make this decision. HELL NO!!!! A soldier in battle shows courage, a fireman that rescues someone from a burning building shows courage, a cop who faces down an armed suspect shows courage, coming out of the closet is hardly the stuff heroes are made of, more like ZERO'S.

Yeah, this is biggest load of garbage I've ever read.

You're trying to tell me that unless you are saving lives or putting yourself in front of bullets, you aren't showing courage? So, that means that maybe 1 percent of the world's population shows courage.

You see courage in everyday life from everyday people. "Every day, ordinary people do extraordinary things."-Bob Richards

Maybe it isn't "heroic," but yeah...standing up for what you believe in and telling people who you are at the risk of being ostracized in public and in your future locker room is courageous.

Coming out of the closet is not courageous, it's a choice. In this case if the guy can actually play in the NFL he'll make a BUTTLOAD of money for coming out. If this is courageous, then Tim Tebow is COURAGEOUS X 10 because being openly Christian in America is a dangerous thing for your career and Tebow is proof.

What garbage. Tebow's career was not hurt because he is a Christian. The only thing that hurt Tebow's career is that he was incapable of being an NFL qb.

And he certainly got a shot. And plenty of fundamentalists play in the NFL.

It's on now....Tebow vs the gays!


Gotta love the Spin Room.

(02-11-2014 08:49 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  

(02-11-2014 07:33 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(02-11-2014 11:58 AM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 10:29 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  What makes me the most angry about this story are those who say he showed lots of courage to make this decision. HELL NO!!!! A soldier in battle shows courage, a fireman that rescues someone from a burning building shows courage, a cop who faces down an armed suspect shows courage, coming out of the closet is hardly the stuff heroes are made of, more like ZERO'S.

Yeah, this is biggest load of garbage I've ever read.

You're trying to tell me that unless you are saving lives or putting yourself in front of bullets, you aren't showing courage? So, that means that maybe 1 percent of the world's population shows courage.

You see courage in everyday life from everyday people. "Every day, ordinary people do extraordinary things."-Bob Richards

Maybe it isn't "heroic," but yeah...standing up for what you believe in and telling people who you are at the risk of being ostracized in public and in your future locker room is courageous.

Coming out of the closet is not courageous, it's a choice. In this case if the guy can actually play in the NFL he'll make a BUTTLOAD of money for coming out. If this is courageous, then Tim Tebow is COURAGEOUS X 10 because being openly Christian in America is a dangerous thing for your career and Tebow is proof.

What garbage. Tebow's career was not hurt because he is a Christian. The only thing that hurt Tebow's career is that he was incapable of being an NFL qb.

Two words for you Heinz Ward not much of a NFL QB but his talent was used elsewhere and he had a long career. NFL teams have said Tebow has talent they could use, but they don't want the media attention he brings.

(02-11-2014 08:52 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-11-2014 08:49 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  

(02-11-2014 07:33 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(02-11-2014 11:58 AM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 10:29 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  What makes me the most angry about this story are those who say he showed lots of courage to make this decision. HELL NO!!!! A soldier in battle shows courage, a fireman that rescues someone from a burning building shows courage, a cop who faces down an armed suspect shows courage, coming out of the closet is hardly the stuff heroes are made of, more like ZERO'S.

Yeah, this is biggest load of garbage I've ever read.

You're trying to tell me that unless you are saving lives or putting yourself in front of bullets, you aren't showing courage? So, that means that maybe 1 percent of the world's population shows courage.

You see courage in everyday life from everyday people. "Every day, ordinary people do extraordinary things."-Bob Richards

Maybe it isn't "heroic," but yeah...standing up for what you believe in and telling people who you are at the risk of being ostracized in public and in your future locker room is courageous.

Coming out of the closet is not courageous, it's a choice. In this case if the guy can actually play in the NFL he'll make a BUTTLOAD of money for coming out. If this is courageous, then Tim Tebow is COURAGEOUS X 10 because being openly Christian in America is a dangerous thing for your career and Tebow is proof.

What garbage. Tebow's career was not hurt because he is a Christian. The only thing that hurt Tebow's career is that he was incapable of being an NFL qb.

And he certainly got a shot. And plenty of fundamentalists play in the NFL.

Last openly Fundamentalist Christian player I can remember is Reggie White. If they are currently plenty name two that are open about it.

(02-11-2014 07:33 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(02-11-2014 11:58 AM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 10:29 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  What makes me the most angry about this story are those who say he showed lots of courage to make this decision. HELL NO!!!! A soldier in battle shows courage, a fireman that rescues someone from a burning building shows courage, a cop who faces down an armed suspect shows courage, coming out of the closet is hardly the stuff heroes are made of, more like ZERO'S.

Yeah, this is biggest load of garbage I've ever read.

You're trying to tell me that unless you are saving lives or putting yourself in front of bullets, you aren't showing courage? So, that means that maybe 1 percent of the world's population shows courage.

You see courage in everyday life from everyday people. "Every day, ordinary people do extraordinary things."-Bob Richards

Maybe it isn't "heroic," but yeah...standing up for what you believe in and telling people who you are at the risk of being ostracized in public and in your future locker room is courageous.

Coming out of the closet is not courageous, it's a choice. In this case if the guy can actually play in the NFL he'll make a BUTTLOAD of money for coming out. If this is courageous, then Tim Tebow is COURAGEOUS X 10 because being openly Christian in America is a dangerous thing for your career and Tebow is proof.

If you really think Tim Tebow's career in the NFL failed because he's a Christian, you are beyond reason.

Chris Kluwe was pretty much kicked out of the NFL for just vocally supporting gay rights. Same thing for Brendon Ayanbadejo. Sam dropped 70 spots on mock draft boards overnight.

It's true that Kluwe and Ayanbadejo were marginal talents, but they were cut/dropped suspiciously right after they began publicly speaking out for gay rights. Tebow wasn't even a marginal talent and was given every chance in the world. And again, I love Tebow.

You aren't even in reality if you truly believe what you're saying. You see players thank God in almost every single postgame interview. Nothing at all wrong with that. But it's just silly to think it's somehow "dangerous" to be a outspokenly Christian athlete.

(02-11-2014 09:21 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(02-11-2014 08:52 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-11-2014 08:49 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  

(02-11-2014 07:33 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(02-11-2014 11:58 AM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  Yeah, this is biggest load of garbage I've ever read.

You're trying to tell me that unless you are saving lives or putting yourself in front of bullets, you aren't showing courage? So, that means that maybe 1 percent of the world's population shows courage.

You see courage in everyday life from everyday people. "Every day, ordinary people do extraordinary things."-Bob Richards

Maybe it isn't "heroic," but yeah...standing up for what you believe in and telling people who you are at the risk of being ostracized in public and in your future locker room is courageous.

Coming out of the closet is not courageous, it's a choice. In this case if the guy can actually play in the NFL he'll make a BUTTLOAD of money for coming out. If this is courageous, then Tim Tebow is COURAGEOUS X 10 because being openly Christian in America is a dangerous thing for your career and Tebow is proof.

What garbage. Tebow's career was not hurt because he is a Christian. The only thing that hurt Tebow's career is that he was incapable of being an NFL qb.

And he certainly got a shot. And plenty of fundamentalists play in the NFL.

Last openly Fundamentalist Christian player I can remember is Reggie White. If they are currently plenty name two that are open about it.

Puhlease. The players don't ostentatiously point at the sky after touchdowns any more? The players aren't so arrogant as to thank Jesus for their game performance anymore (as if he cares, or should waste effort caring about the outcome of a friggin' football game)?

I'll bet Sam isn't going to do some ostentatious Gay Power Salute after he makes a sack.

Well I guess God didn't want Tebow to play football for him because he sure stuck him with a sh*tty arm.

I just read a story in the paper about how ashamed Sam's father is. So is his father a homophobe or racist?

Regarding the locker room concerns; if this guy, who is attracted to men, is allowed to see naked men in a locker room, then why can't I go peeking in the women's locker room?

(02-11-2014 09:20 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(02-11-2014 08:49 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  

(02-11-2014 07:33 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(02-11-2014 11:58 AM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  

(02-10-2014 10:29 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  What makes me the most angry about this story are those who say he showed lots of courage to make this decision. HELL NO!!!! A soldier in battle shows courage, a fireman that rescues someone from a burning building shows courage, a cop who faces down an armed suspect shows courage, coming out of the closet is hardly the stuff heroes are made of, more like ZERO'S.

Yeah, this is biggest load of garbage I've ever read.

You're trying to tell me that unless you are saving lives or putting yourself in front of bullets, you aren't showing courage? So, that means that maybe 1 percent of the world's population shows courage.

You see courage in everyday life from everyday people. "Every day, ordinary people do extraordinary things."-Bob Richards

Maybe it isn't "heroic," but yeah...standing up for what you believe in and telling people who you are at the risk of being ostracized in public and in your future locker room is courageous.

Coming out of the closet is not courageous, it's a choice. In this case if the guy can actually play in the NFL he'll make a BUTTLOAD of money for coming out. If this is courageous, then Tim Tebow is COURAGEOUS X 10 because being openly Christian in America is a dangerous thing for your career and Tebow is proof.

What garbage. Tebow's career was not hurt because he is a Christian. The only thing that hurt Tebow's career is that he was incapable of being an NFL qb.

Two words for you Heinz Ward not much of a NFL QB but his talent was used elsewhere and he had a long career. NFL teams have said Tebow has talent they could use, but they don't want the media attention he brings.

Or maybe he just wanted to play qb.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/bl...65453.post

(02-12-2014 08:52 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  I just read a story in the paper about how ashamed Sam's father is. So is his father a homophobe or racist?

Regarding the locker room concerns; if this guy, who is attracted to men, is allowed to see naked men in a locker room, then why can't I go peeking in the women's locker room?

I've never understood why anybody would care whether a gay or straight man sees them naked in the locker room. If a gay dude wants to touch himself at night thinking about me, then by god I'll take it as a compliment. At the end of the day what does it really matter? Now if he becomes sexually aggressive or harassing, or if he's whackin it in the corner, that's a different story. But of course there's no evidence that will happen in the NFL or any other locker room.

I think the number we settled on is about 1 in 25 men are gay so if you've spent much time naked in a football locker room or at the Y, chances are plenty of gay dudes have seen your junk. And if it does bother you, wouldn't you rather know which ones are gay so you can wear a towel if they're around?

What do you propose we do about locker rooms and bathrooms around the country? 4 different ones for straight men, straight women, gay men, and gay women? What about those who go both ways? Obviously that gets ridiculous at some point and even then, the gay locker rooms will still have people attracted to each other. The etiquette in any locker room I think is pretty obviously not to look at anybody else's junk, regardless of whether or not you're attracted to them. If a gay or straight person breaches that etiquette, call them out on it, they deserve it. Otherwise just go about your business.

(02-11-2014 09:20 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Two words for you Heinz Ward not much of a NFL QB but his talent was used elsewhere and he had a long career. NFL teams have said Tebow has talent they could use, but they don't want the media attention he brings.

Hines Ward is a devout Christian and played with a verse from Philippians taped in his locker. He was also named to some sort of official council on Asian-American relations by Obama so there goes both theories on here about the NFL and Obama blackballing Christians.

Again, the self-proclaimed persecution from many Christians in this country is astounding.

(02-12-2014 11:06 PM)keebler645 Wrote:  

(02-12-2014 08:52 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  I just read a story in the paper about how ashamed Sam's father is. So is his father a homophobe or racist?

Regarding the locker room concerns; if this guy, who is attracted to men, is allowed to see naked men in a locker room, then why can't I go peeking in the women's locker room?

I've never understood why anybody would care whether a gay or straight man sees them naked in the locker room. If a gay dude wants to touch himself at night thinking about me, then by god I'll take it as a compliment. At the end of the day what does it really matter? Now if he becomes sexually aggressive or harassing, or if he's whackin it in the corner, that's a different story. But of course there's no evidence that will happen in the NFL or any other locker room.

I think the number we settled on is about 1 in 25 men are gay so if you've spent much time naked in a football locker room or at the Y, chances are plenty of gay dudes have seen your junk. And if it does bother you, wouldn't you rather know which ones are gay so you can wear a towel if they're around?

What do you propose we do about locker rooms and bathrooms around the country? 4 different ones for straight men, straight women, gay men, and gay women? What about those who go both ways? Obviously that gets ridiculous at some point and even then, the gay locker rooms will still have people attracted to each other. The etiquette in any locker room I think is pretty obviously not to look at anybody else's junk, regardless of whether or not you're attracted to them. If a gay or straight person breaches that etiquette, call them out on it, they deserve it. Otherwise just go about your business.

Keebler, you make a good argument, but according to the left, we need separate locker rooms and bathrooms for those among us who are built like one gender and think they're another - see California. It would appear that being comfortable in locker and bathroom environments is only important if you're anything but straight.

I wasn't aware everyone on the left felt that way. Thanks for informing me of my stance.