Gov't could do something if Boehner doesn't care where the votes are.

http://www.drudge.com/news/176387/boehne...iling-vote

Is this still our country? Been wondering.
Boehner is a real *****

I just heard that snippet on the radio... Boehner really needs to be tossed out in the primaries, and this might be the comment that'll do it.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm of the opinion this is being purposely done in advance of the fall elections. The republicans played this game last fall and suffered in the polls because of it. Maybe if they capitulate on the debt ceiling now, they can keep hammering on Obamacare, etc. and not have to play defensive trying to explain a government shutdown.

If they can take the Senate in the fall, they can stop Obama in his tracks for the last two years of his term.

Who knows if this is the right strategy or not?

The Republicans RINOS who voted for the “clean” debt limit increase include:

House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio)
Rep. Dave Camp (R-Mich.),
Rep. Eric Cantor (R-Va.),
Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.),
Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.),
Rep. Ken Calvert (R-Calif.),
Rep. Howard Coble (R-N.C.),
Rep. Chris Collins (R-N.Y.),
Rep. Charlie Dent (R-Pa.),
Rep. Michael Fitzpatrick (R-Pa.),
Rep. Michael Grimm (N.Y.),
Rep. Doc Hastings (R-Wash.),
Rep. Frank LoBiondo (R-N.J.),
Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.),
Rep. Buck McKeon (R-Calif.),
Rep. Patrick Meehan (R-Pa.),
Rep. Gary Miller (R-Calif.),
Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.),
Rep. Dave Reichert (R-Wash.),
Rep. Hal Rogers (R-Ky.),
Rep. Peter Roskam (R-Ill.),
Rep. Ed Royce (R-Calif.),
Rep. Jon Runyan (R-N.J.),
Rep. John Shimkus (R-Ill.),
Rep. Chris Smith (R-N.J.),
Rep. David Valadao (R-Calif.),
Rep. Richard Hanna (R-N.Y.),
Rep. Frank Wolf (R-Va.).

They knew that the debt ceiling was going to be raised and the Republicans didn't want the Democrats to call their bluff again like they did in October. Politically, this was the right move for the House Republicans to make.

(02-12-2014 08:53 AM)Crebman Wrote:  Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm of the opinion this is being purposely done in advance of the fall elections. The republicans played this game last fall and suffered in the polls because of it. Maybe if they capitulate on the debt ceiling now, they can keep hammering on Obamacare, etc. and not have to play defensive trying to explain a government shutdown.

If they can take the Senate in the fall, they can stop Obama in his tracks for the last two years of his term.

Who knows if this is the right strategy or not?

It's probably their only strategy in the circumstances.

Republicans have a hard time taking a principled stand on an issue where the last republican president abandoned principle. I've said it before, will say it again. Republicans will remain in trouble until they repudiate Shrub.

(02-12-2014 09:13 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-12-2014 08:53 AM)Crebman Wrote:  Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm of the opinion this is being purposely done in advance of the fall elections. The republicans played this game last fall and suffered in the polls because of it. Maybe if they capitulate on the debt ceiling now, they can keep hammering on Obamacare, etc. and not have to play defensive trying to explain a government shutdown.

If they can take the Senate in the fall, they can stop Obama in his tracks for the last two years of his term.

Who knows if this is the right strategy or not?

It's probably their only strategy in the circumstances.

Republicans have a hard time taking a principled stand on an issue where the last republican president abandoned principle. I've said it before, will say it again. Republicans will remain in trouble until they repudiate Shrub.

Some people can't see the forest for the trees.

What happened last time we had a "shutdown"? Obama looked like a total fool shutting down free-air monuments and almost none of us noticed anything different and the "essential" jobs were blatantly not essential. Even government employees got paid with time off. It was the PERFECT example of how dysfunctional government is and Ted Cruz got hero status out of it.

I was able to call out Owl666/70/75 on being a government employee/contractor because of the high level of butt-hurt he got from the shutdown. That's why he's saying stuff like the above - he is all about reducing the spending, unless it's spending that goes in his pocket. Total Hypocrite. Obama buddy. Liar and fraud. Owl & RINO traitors.

Should set a precedent to champion future clean bills.

But we all know how that works.

(02-12-2014 06:36 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Gov't could do something if Boehner doesn't care where the votes are.

http://www.drudge.com/news/176387/boehne...iling-vote

Good for him. The sooner they start putting the ultra right wingers in their place, to sooner the republicans can start getting things done again.

It's just more of my hard earned money.

(02-12-2014 09:54 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  Some people can't see the forest for the trees.
What happened last time we had a "shutdown"? Obama looked like a total fool shutting down free-air monuments and almost none of us noticed anything different and the "essential" jobs were blatantly not essential. Even government employees got paid with time off. It was the PERFECT example of how dysfunctional government is and Ted Cruz got hero status out of it.
I was able to call out Owl666/70/75 on being a government employee/contractor because of the high level of butt-hurt he got from the shutdown. That's why he's saying stuff like the above - he is all about reducing the spending, unless it's spending that goes in his pocket. Total Hypocrite. Obama buddy. Liar and fraud. Owl & RINO traitors.

WTF? I think you don't even know that there are trees or a forest.

If you think that the republicans were the winners, you obviously didn't look at the opinion polls. And the really stupid thing is that once the shutdown got out of the way so that people realized what a total clusterflock it is, Obama and the democrats have plunged in the opinion polls. Politics is about winning elections. You can't do a damn thing if you don't win elections. Democrats are about winning elections first, then ideology after they win. Republicans need to do the same thing. Win the senate, keep the house, and figure out how to win it all in 2016. Any other strategy at this point is idiotic, and does more harm to the country. Would you rather have republicans or democrats controlling the senate if a supreme court justice retires or croaks in 2015? That should be all you need to know.

Funny thing is that I think we'd agree on the solution--stand on principle. Shrub and the neocons are the real RINOs here. And they've poisoned the republican brand.

And calling me out as a government employee? WTF is that about? I do work for a government agency--but it's state government, the Great State of Texas--and we weren't affected by the shutdown, so WTF are you talking about?

I think it's just frustration on Jerry's part owl. Let's face it, if the Republicans had STOOD on the govt shutdown, I think they would have gotten more spotlight on the Democrats in the senate for not being willing to negotiate on anything.

Sooner or later the people would have noticed that the "damage" from the shutdown last time was minimal, and was as stupid as shutting national parks and monuments to "save" money.

I understand the idea behind making sure the Democrats can't use a Shutdown as an attack plank during the elections, I'm just not sure its' the right idea to capitulate in this regard.

(02-12-2014 10:12 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  I think it's just frustration on Jerry's part owl. Let's face it, if the Republicans had STOOD on the govt shutdown, I think they would have gotten more spotlight on the Democrats in the senate for not being willing to negotiate on anything.
Sooner or later the people would have noticed that the "damage" from the shutdown last time was minimal, and was as stupid as shutting national parks and monuments to "save" money.
I understand the idea behind making sure the Democrats can't use a Shutdown as an attack plank during the elections, I'm just not sure its' the right idea to capitulate in this regard.

I understand frustration. Hell, I'm frustrated too. I'm frustrated that republicans nominated idiots who couldn't win in Delaware and Nevada in 2010, and nominated idiots who blew sure things in Indiana and Missouri in 2014.

I believe that republicans are still hamstrung because of Bush. The argument that Bush did it, so you're just obstructing by not going along with Obama's doing it, may or may not be valid but it is a good sound byte.

Democrats don't really care if they screw the country as long as they win the next election. Therefore, they win the elections and keep screwing the country. Republicans can't stop that until they start winning elections.

As I asked above, would you rather have democrats or republicans controlling the senate if some supreme court justice retires or croaks in 2015? Your answer to that should resolve all your issues.

(02-12-2014 09:54 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  

(02-12-2014 09:13 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-12-2014 08:53 AM)Crebman Wrote:  Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm of the opinion this is being purposely done in advance of the fall elections. The republicans played this game last fall and suffered in the polls because of it. Maybe if they capitulate on the debt ceiling now, they can keep hammering on Obamacare, etc. and not have to play defensive trying to explain a government shutdown.

If they can take the Senate in the fall, they can stop Obama in his tracks for the last two years of his term.

Who knows if this is the right strategy or not?

It's probably their only strategy in the circumstances.

Republicans have a hard time taking a principled stand on an issue where the last republican president abandoned principle. I've said it before, will say it again. Republicans will remain in trouble until they repudiate Shrub.

Some people can't see the forest for the trees.

What happened last time we had a "shutdown"? Obama looked like a total fool shutting down free-air monuments and almost none of us noticed anything different and the "essential" jobs were blatantly not essential. Even government employees got paid with time off. It was the PERFECT example of how dysfunctional government is and Ted Cruz got hero status out of it.

I was able to call out Owl666/70/75 on being a government employee/contractor because of the high level of butt-hurt he got from the shutdown. That's why he's saying stuff like the above - he is all about reducing the spending, unless it's spending that goes in his pocket. Total Hypocrite. Obama buddy. Liar and fraud. Owl & RINO traitors.

Owl a RINO?

I'm going to use that sometime.

(02-12-2014 10:17 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Democrats don't really care if they screw the country as long as they win the next election. Therefore, they win the elections and keep screwing the country. Republicans can't stop that until they start winning elections.

As I asked above, would you rather have democrats or republicans controlling the senate if some supreme court justice retires or croaks in 2015? Your answer to that should resolve all your issues.

Who cares? At this point, there is only one certainty. The Dems will continue to win with their "free everything" gimmicks and election fraud, and the rest of us will be backed in the corner like dogs. Dogs do one thing when backed in a corner, just like people.

The economy is in a perfect stage for a collapse, and then where does all of the free-stuff come from? Mass rioting and destabilization ensues. The RINOs and Baby-boomers are going along with it to get the last bit of money they can before things go bad.

Even if the economy doesn't collapse, the mountain of debt is unpayable and at some point somebody doesn't get paid. When that somebody doesn't get paid, the house of cards comes crashing down and then a lot of people don't get paid.

Obama screwed us good and Owl is cheering it on to win an election, while condemning the Democrats for the same thing. That's the definition of a hypocrite, right?

But Oklalittledixie told us Republicans are great and the Democrats are bad! This just goes to show what the libertarians on this site have been saying for a long time... both parties are big spenders. Neither actually cares to cut the budget.

(02-12-2014 10:54 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  Obama screwed us good and Owl is cheering it on to win an election, while condemning the Democrats for the same thing. That's the definition of a hypocrite, right?

WTF?

(02-12-2014 10:04 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-12-2014 09:54 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  Some people can't see the forest for the trees.
What happened last time we had a "shutdown"? Obama looked like a total fool shutting down free-air monuments and almost none of us noticed anything different and the "essential" jobs were blatantly not essential. Even government employees got paid with time off. It was the PERFECT example of how dysfunctional government is and Ted Cruz got hero status out of it.
I was able to call out Owl666/70/75 on being a government employee/contractor because of the high level of butt-hurt he got from the shutdown. That's why he's saying stuff like the above - he is all about reducing the spending, unless it's spending that goes in his pocket. Total Hypocrite. Obama buddy. Liar and fraud. Owl & RINO traitors.

WTF? I think you don't even know that there are trees or a forest.

If you think that the republicans were the winners, you obviously didn't look at the opinion polls. And the really stupid thing is that once the shutdown got out of the way so that people realized what a total clusterflock it is, Obama and the democrats have plunged in the opinion polls. Politics is about winning elections. You can't do a damn thing if you don't win elections. Democrats are about winning elections first, then ideology after they win. Republicans need to do the same thing. Win the senate, keep the house, and figure out how to win it all in 2016. Any other strategy at this point is idiotic, and does more harm to the country. Would you rather have republicans or democrats controlling the senate if a supreme court justice retires or croaks in 2015? That should be all you need to know.

Funny thing is that I think we'd agree on the solution--stand on principle. Shrub and the neocons are the real RINOs here. And they've poisoned the republican brand.

And calling me out as a government employee? WTF is that about? I do work for a government agency--but it's state government, the Great State of Texas--and we weren't affected by the shutdown, so WTF are you talking about?

Great post. I'm glad more and more people are starting to realize this.

Cruz is going to force a 60-vote majority to clear the Senate:

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/te...03402.html

If he were really principled, he'd do everything he can to make us miss the debt ceiling deadline in an effort to demonstrate his understanding of what would happen.