(02-03-2014 11:09 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  In color, but not culture. Even then you had a rift between north and south. We were also essentially different countries.

Ok, then blame Lincoln. But different countries doesn't mean different cultures.

I suppose we need a rigorous definition of culture to go forward w/ this discussion. I'm mainly concerned w/ political philosophy, not with whether people prefer grits vs ho cakes.

(02-03-2014 11:09 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:50 AM)Hitch Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:36 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:30 AM)Hitch Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:23 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  It's not hard to believe they insisted on having some multi-cultural theme to their ad.

Why is "multi-cultural" inherently malicious?

I didn't say it was. In fact, that was explicitly stated in my next sentence. Why did you leave that out, and then ask a leading question?

Fine, here's your response in full:

Quote:Why do you assume it must be either/or? There is no doubt that leftists have worked their way into corporate exec positions and BOD. It's not hard to believe they insisted on having some multi-cultural theme to their ad. They may or may not believe it to be malicious, but they fully intend to influence American identity.

So to clarify my question, which I agree wasn't fair in its shortness:

Of course they intended the ad to have influence, that's the point of advertising. Though it's not unreasonable to assume that their intended influence was limited to coke sales. But to your critique, why is the multi-cultural aspect of the ad automatically negative in your eyes?

Because the US was founded based on a very specific English political philosophy. That is what has brought liberty and success.

When other cultures come in, they show no respect for that foundation, and tolerate or even promote, philosophies that run contrary to it.

That by definition is malicious.

You have a very specific definition of the true American identity. It must be exhausting to fight so many losing battles on the culture front.

Since we'll never have a common culture in this nation having a common language is important to national cohesion. Broad acceptance of Spanish as a secondary language will only serve to further hamper Hispanics from integrating into the rest of our society.

What is the "cut-off year" for Oklalittledixie regarding "established a culture"?

(02-03-2014 11:11 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 11:09 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  In color, but not culture. Even then you had a rift between north and south. We were also essentially different countries.

Ok, then blame Lincoln.

For what? The North and South didn't get along a good deal before him.

(02-03-2014 11:12 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  What is the "cut-off year" for Oklalittledixie regarding "established a culture"?

1859.

(02-03-2014 11:11 AM)Hitch Wrote:  You have a very specific definition of the true American identity. It must be exhausting to fight so many losing battles on the culture front.

As I said, cultural trappings like food are not a big deal.

I like Taco Bell.

(02-03-2014 11:15 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 11:11 AM)Hitch Wrote:  You have a very specific definition of the true American identity. It must be exhausting to fight so many losing battles on the culture front.

As I said, cultural trappings like food are not a big deal.

I like Taco Bell.

Ugh. Not a fan. You can have mine.

(02-03-2014 11:12 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Since we'll never have a common culture in this nation having a common language is important to national cohesion. Broad acceptance of Spanish as a secondary language will only serve to further hamper Hispanics from integrating into the rest of our society.

Bingo.

(02-03-2014 11:20 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 11:15 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 11:11 AM)Hitch Wrote:  You have a very specific definition of the true American identity. It must be exhausting to fight so many losing battles on the culture front.

As I said, cultural trappings like food are not a big deal.

I like Taco Bell.

Ugh. Not a fan. You can have mine.

Racist.

(02-03-2014 11:28 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 11:20 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 11:15 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 11:11 AM)Hitch Wrote:  You have a very specific definition of the true American identity. It must be exhausting to fight so many losing battles on the culture front.

As I said, cultural trappings like food are not a big deal.

I like Taco Bell.

Ugh. Not a fan. You can have mine.

Racist.

Not me. My lower GI.

(02-03-2014 11:29 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 11:28 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 11:20 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 11:15 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 11:11 AM)Hitch Wrote:  You have a very specific definition of the true American identity. It must be exhausting to fight so many losing battles on the culture front.

As I said, cultural trappings like food are not a big deal.

I like Taco Bell.

Ugh. Not a fan. You can have mine.

Racist.

Not me. My lower GI.

I have never eaten anything from Taco Bell. Is that weird? lol

(02-03-2014 11:31 AM)VA49er Wrote:  I have never eaten anything from Taco Bell. Is that weird? lol

You're not missing much. It looks pretty much the same coming in as it does going out.

(02-03-2014 10:50 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:42 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:30 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:26 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:08 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Their marketing team must be reaching out to a different country here in the United States...

That IS the United States. Might as well get used to it. I have no idea why this commercial is causing heartburn for some folks. I watched the game with people from at least 4 different cultures that I know of, South America, Germany, Italy, and the UK. All of them migrated to the US and are now US citizens. THAT is today's United States and it's what helped made this country a place thousands around the world dream of becoming a citizen of. Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, but the folks in that room with me last night were watching a quintisential American game and loving every minute of it. Well, at least the ones that were pulling for the Seahawks.

Well said. It's unfortunate that some in this country believe that they are more deserving of it than others and that they were here before anyone else.

I was born and raised here, this is my country, I DO deserve it more than others not born and raised here. Go to China or Mexico and say the same thing to a Chinese or Mexican.

Those before you came from somewhere else. This country was built on the backs of immigrants. No need to feel superiority over those back then or those coming now.

They have their own country they were born and raised in, to which they should feel superiority. I wouldn't go to a foreign country and think I'm the shiznit. Like Germany, I'm part German and know if I was there, I'd just be a visitor.

(02-03-2014 10:53 AM)Hitch Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:47 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:41 AM)Hitch Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:38 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Lets just reach out to other countries during a US event. How PC can YOU get...

Why would advertising during "a US event" be a good way to reach other countries in the first place?

You tell me... Lets stick to American things... I remember when things used to be as American as apple pie, now it's more like things are as American as burritos.

Or they bought advertising during an American event to reach Americans. If they wanted to reach a broad international community, they'd buy during a major soccer (the rest of the world's "football") game.


http://qz.com/171174/putting-the-global-...-audience/

Thanks for nothing the viewership projection stats.

(02-03-2014 11:44 AM)Hitch Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 11:42 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:53 AM)Hitch Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:47 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:41 AM)Hitch Wrote:  Why would advertising during "a US event" be a good way to reach other countries in the first place?

You tell me... Lets stick to American things... I remember when things used to be as American as apple pie, now it's more like things are as American as burritos.

Or they bought advertising during an American event to reach Americans. If they wanted to reach a broad international community, they'd buy during a major soccer (the rest of the world's "football") game.


http://qz.com/171174/putting-the-global-...-audience/

Thanks for nothing the viewership projection stats.

Out of curiosity, what do you do for a living?

Just out of curiosity, what do you do for a living?

(02-03-2014 11:40 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:50 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:42 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:30 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:26 AM)VA49er Wrote:  That IS the United States. Might as well get used to it. I have no idea why this commercial is causing heartburn for some folks. I watched the game with people from at least 4 different cultures that I know of, South America, Germany, Italy, and the UK. All of them migrated to the US and are now US citizens. THAT is today's United States and it's what helped made this country a place thousands around the world dream of becoming a citizen of. Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, but the folks in that room with me last night were watching a quintisential American game and loving every minute of it. Well, at least the ones that were pulling for the Seahawks.

Well said. It's unfortunate that some in this country believe that they are more deserving of it than others and that they were here before anyone else.

I was born and raised here, this is my country, I DO deserve it more than others not born and raised here. Go to China or Mexico and say the same thing to a Chinese or Mexican.

Those before you came from somewhere else. This country was built on the backs of immigrants. No need to feel superiority over those back then or those coming now.

They have their own country they were born and raised in, to which they should feel superiority. I wouldn't go to a foreign country and think I'm the shiznit. Like Germany, I'm part German and know if I was there, I'd just be a visitor.

If they are American citizens they have every much a right to feel great and proud about America as you or I. I sat in a courtroom and watched about 50 people become US citizens one day. About a third of them were crying as they were so happy and the others were all smiling ear to ear. Being an American is special, and you don't have to be actually born on US soil to realize that.

(02-03-2014 11:44 AM)Hitch Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 11:42 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:53 AM)Hitch Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:47 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:41 AM)Hitch Wrote:  Why would advertising during "a US event" be a good way to reach other countries in the first place?

You tell me... Lets stick to American things... I remember when things used to be as American as apple pie, now it's more like things are as American as burritos.

Or they bought advertising during an American event to reach Americans. If they wanted to reach a broad international community, they'd buy during a major soccer (the rest of the world's "football") game.


http://qz.com/171174/putting-the-global-...-audience/

Thanks for nothing the viewership projection stats.

Out of curiosity, what do you do for a living?

Sit behind a desk from 8:00am to 4:30pm CST Monday thru Friday, writing contracts and answering bids for potential customers. Why? If you're giving events that already happened then I'm unaware because I don't care about any sport besides college football and the Saints for the NFL.

I'm a major sports analyst. Why?

(02-03-2014 11:48 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 11:40 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:50 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:42 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:30 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Well said. It's unfortunate that some in this country believe that they are more deserving of it than others and that they were here before anyone else.

I was born and raised here, this is my country, I DO deserve it more than others not born and raised here. Go to China or Mexico and say the same thing to a Chinese or Mexican.

Those before you came from somewhere else. This country was built on the backs of immigrants. No need to feel superiority over those back then or those coming now.

They have their own country they were born and raised in, to which they should feel superiority. I wouldn't go to a foreign country and think I'm the shiznit. Like Germany, I'm part German and know if I was there, I'd just be a visitor.

If they are American citizens they have every much a right to feel great and proud about America as you or I. I sat in a courtroom and watched about 50 people become US citizens one day. About a third of them were crying as they were so happy and the others were all smiling ear to ear. Being an American is special, and you don't have to be actually born on US soil to realize that.

That's great. They should also be proud of our language and customs.

(02-03-2014 11:48 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 11:40 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:50 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:42 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(02-03-2014 10:30 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Well said. It's unfortunate that some in this country believe that they are more deserving of it than others and that they were here before anyone else.

I was born and raised here, this is my country, I DO deserve it more than others not born and raised here. Go to China or Mexico and say the same thing to a Chinese or Mexican.

Those before you came from somewhere else. This country was built on the backs of immigrants. No need to feel superiority over those back then or those coming now.

They have their own country they were born and raised in, to which they should feel superiority. I wouldn't go to a foreign country and think I'm the shiznit. Like Germany, I'm part German and know if I was there, I'd just be a visitor.

If they are American citizens they have every much a right to feel great and proud about America as you or I. I sat in a courtroom and watched about 50 people become US citizens one day. About a third of them were crying as they were so happy and the others were all smiling ear to ear. Being an American is special, and you don't have to be actually born on US soil to realize that.

Are those 50 people assimilating or turning their neck of the woods into the place they just escaped from? Legit question.