Any armchair theorist claiming that the public school system hasn't been absolutely instrumental and an integral part of our nations success needs to rework that there theory, because it's laughably terrible.

(11-20-2013 09:01 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Any armchair theorist claiming that the public school system hasn't been absolutely instrumental and an integral part of our nations success needs to rework that there theory, because it's laughably terrible.

You're right that the public school system has been an integral part of the reason for the ability to achieve success by our nation's youth. However, I don't think recent statistics, proves what you want it to.

The inner city schools will never get any better until they separate the kids that are willing to work and learn from those that for whatever reason won't. Too many of those that don't care and won't work at learning "poison the well" so to speak.

I know that the goal is to educate everyone to a certain level, but it's not happening now.

As well, we as a country are fools to spend 75% of our time and resources trying to get the dumbest 20% of our children to pass a test - and that is what we are measuring now.

Honestly, given that only about 30% of the population graduates from college - the largest schools in the country should be technical type schools that actually teach kids how to do something in the world of work. Instead, we try and force all into a college prep track - dumb, dumb, dumb.

(11-20-2013 09:09 PM)Crebman Wrote:  The inner city schools will never get any better until they separate the kids that are willing to work and learn from those that for whatever reason won't. Too many of those that don't care and won't work at learning "poison the well" so to speak.

I know that the goal is to educate everyone to a certain level, but it's not happening now.

As well, we as a country are fools to spend 75% of our time and resources trying to get the dumbest 20% of our children to pass a test - and that is what we are measuring now.

Honestly, given that only about 30% of the population graduates from college - the largest schools in the country should be technical type schools that actually teach kids how to do something in the world of work. Instead, we try and force all into a college prep track - dumb, dumb, dumb.

What's even dumber, dumber, dumber is the six figure debt load those kids take on nowadays to go to college for a degree in a field that pays much less than $30K starting out after graduation.

(11-20-2013 09:12 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 09:09 PM)Crebman Wrote:  The inner city schools will never get any better until they separate the kids that are willing to work and learn from those that for whatever reason won't. Too many of those that don't care and won't work at learning "poison the well" so to speak.

I know that the goal is to educate everyone to a certain level, but it's not happening now.

As well, we as a country are fools to spend 75% of our time and resources trying to get the dumbest 20% of our children to pass a test - and that is what we are measuring now.

Honestly, given that only about 30% of the population graduates from college - the largest schools in the country should be technical type schools that actually teach kids how to do something in the world of work. Instead, we try and force all into a college prep track - dumb, dumb, dumb.

What's even dumber, dumber, dumber is the six figure debt load those kids take on nowadays to go to college for a degree in a field that pays much less than $30K starting out after graduation.

Yeah, that too.

(11-20-2013 12:03 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  This sounds like something I've seen many times. School leaders on a power trip. Sure, part of it is having an orderly procedure at dismissal time but I suspect that if the GF was filming it, the man has had problems picking up his kids before. Some may claim set-up but I see it as ammunition and evidence for a lawsuit against over-reacting school personnel.

While schools have to be very careful in protecting their students, there is no reason that a parent can't come in and sign them out, no matter what time of day it is.

Sounds to me like the cop at the school just over-reacted in a major way and lost control of the situation and felt his only recourse was to arrest the guy. Hope he likes desk duty, because after the school district settles the lawsuit, that's where he will likely end up. He needs retraining in dealing with the public.

The whole point is that he REFUSED to sign them out.

There's inconvenience behind a lot of liability. If something happens to that kid because they didn't end up exactly where they needed to be, parents will sue the hell out of the school. These schools have a record of how every kid gets to and leaves school everyday. Any exception has to be on record.

I assure you, there aren't many schools that believe they own your children. In fact, the teachers can't wait to get those little Chuckies out of there.

(11-21-2013 12:26 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 12:03 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  This sounds like something I've seen many times. School leaders on a power trip. Sure, part of it is having an orderly procedure at dismissal time but I suspect that if the GF was filming it, the man has had problems picking up his kids before. Some may claim set-up but I see it as ammunition and evidence for a lawsuit against over-reacting school personnel.

While schools have to be very careful in protecting their students, there is no reason that a parent can't come in and sign them out, no matter what time of day it is.

Sounds to me like the cop at the school just over-reacted in a major way and lost control of the situation and felt his only recourse was to arrest the guy. Hope he likes desk duty, because after the school district settles the lawsuit, that's where he will likely end up. He needs retraining in dealing with the public.

The whole point is that he REFUSED to sign them out.

There's inconvenience behind a lot of liability. If something happens to that kid because they didn't end up exactly where they needed to be, parents will sue the hell out of the school. These schools have a record of how every kid gets to and leaves school everyday. Any exception has to be on record.

I assure you, there aren't many schools that believe they own your children. In fact, the teachers can't wait to get those little Chuckies out of there.

This.

This entire situation was caused because a parent was acting like a child, and didn't understand that without signing out his child correctly, he was going to be seen as taking a child home that he isn't supposed to. Yeah, he's the dad and yeah, he knows he has the parental rights (meaning, custody) to get his kid when he wants, but the school and police officer likely didn't.

(11-21-2013 12:26 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 12:03 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  This sounds like something I've seen many times. School leaders on a power trip. Sure, part of it is having an orderly procedure at dismissal time but I suspect that if the GF was filming it, the man has had problems picking up his kids before. Some may claim set-up but I see it as ammunition and evidence for a lawsuit against over-reacting school personnel.

While schools have to be very careful in protecting their students, there is no reason that a parent can't come in and sign them out, no matter what time of day it is.

Sounds to me like the cop at the school just over-reacted in a major way and lost control of the situation and felt his only recourse was to arrest the guy. Hope he likes desk duty, because after the school district settles the lawsuit, that's where he will likely end up. He needs retraining in dealing with the public.

The whole point is that he REFUSED to sign them out.

There's inconvenience behind a lot of liability. If something happens to that kid because they didn't end up exactly where they needed to be, parents will sue the hell out of the school. These schools have a record of how every kid gets to and leaves school everyday. Any exception has to be on record.

I assure you, there aren't many schools that believe they own your children. In fact, the teachers can't wait to get those little Chuckies out of there.

I didn't read that he refused to sign her out. I'll Re-read but I'm pretty sure what was posted didn't mention that.

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

(11-21-2013 07:01 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-21-2013 12:26 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 12:03 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  This sounds like something I've seen many times. School leaders on a power trip. Sure, part of it is having an orderly procedure at dismissal time but I suspect that if the GF was filming it, the man has had problems picking up his kids before. Some may claim set-up but I see it as ammunition and evidence for a lawsuit against over-reacting school personnel.

While schools have to be very careful in protecting their students, there is no reason that a parent can't come in and sign them out, no matter what time of day it is.

Sounds to me like the cop at the school just over-reacted in a major way and lost control of the situation and felt his only recourse was to arrest the guy. Hope he likes desk duty, because after the school district settles the lawsuit, that's where he will likely end up. He needs retraining in dealing with the public.

The whole point is that he REFUSED to sign them out.

There's inconvenience behind a lot of liability. If something happens to that kid because they didn't end up exactly where they needed to be, parents will sue the hell out of the school. These schools have a record of how every kid gets to and leaves school everyday. Any exception has to be on record.

I assure you, there aren't many schools that believe they own your children. In fact, the teachers can't wait to get those little Chuckies out of there.

This.

This entire situation was caused because a parent was acting like a child, and didn't understand that without signing out his child correctly, he was going to be seen as taking a child home that he isn't supposed to. Yeah, he's the dad and yeah, he knows he has the parental rights (meaning, custody) to get his kid when he wants, but the school and police officer likely didn't.

Not what happened. He wouldn't sign a form saying she could leave on her own because he was picking her up. He was picking her up because the way the school had arranged pick up he thought it wasn't safe. He shouldn't need to sign her out when school is dismissed.

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

(11-21-2013 12:26 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I assure you, there aren't many schools that believe they own your children.

They may not "believe" it, but -- as arms of the State -- they frequently act as if they do.

Quote:In fact, the teachers can't wait to get those little Chuckies out of there.

True. And just one of the many, many reasons why the "education system" as presently constituted will eventually disintegrate and be discarded. It won't be anytime soon (alas), but it will happen. Looking forward to it.

(11-21-2013 07:10 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(11-21-2013 07:01 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-21-2013 12:26 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 12:03 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  This sounds like something I've seen many times. School leaders on a power trip. Sure, part of it is having an orderly procedure at dismissal time but I suspect that if the GF was filming it, the man has had problems picking up his kids before. Some may claim set-up but I see it as ammunition and evidence for a lawsuit against over-reacting school personnel.

While schools have to be very careful in protecting their students, there is no reason that a parent can't come in and sign them out, no matter what time of day it is.

Sounds to me like the cop at the school just over-reacted in a major way and lost control of the situation and felt his only recourse was to arrest the guy. Hope he likes desk duty, because after the school district settles the lawsuit, that's where he will likely end up. He needs retraining in dealing with the public.

The whole point is that he REFUSED to sign them out.

There's inconvenience behind a lot of liability. If something happens to that kid because they didn't end up exactly where they needed to be, parents will sue the hell out of the school. These schools have a record of how every kid gets to and leaves school everyday. Any exception has to be on record.

I assure you, there aren't many schools that believe they own your children. In fact, the teachers can't wait to get those little Chuckies out of there.

This.

This entire situation was caused because a parent was acting like a child, and didn't understand that without signing out his child correctly, he was going to be seen as taking a child home that he isn't supposed to. Yeah, he's the dad and yeah, he knows he has the parental rights (meaning, custody) to get his kid when he wants, but the school and police officer likely didn't.

Not what happened. He wouldn't sign a form saying she could leave on her own because he was picking her up. He was picking her up because the way the school had arranged pick up he thought it wasn't safe. He shouldn't need to sign her out when school is dismissed.

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

Shouldn't need to, but there's precedence that says he has to. The rule isn't there for no reason. There's also a matter of order to keep.

(11-21-2013 08:12 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(11-21-2013 12:26 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I assure you, there aren't many schools that believe they own your children.

They may not "believe" it, but -- as arms of the State -- they frequently act as if they do.

Quote:In fact, the teachers can't wait to get those little Chuckies out of there.

True. And just one of the many, many reasons why the "education system" as presently constituted will eventually disintegrate and be discarded. It won't be anytime soon (alas), but it will happen. Looking forward to it.

Why is that? Even private schools can't wait to get them outta there.

(11-21-2013 10:45 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(11-21-2013 07:10 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(11-21-2013 07:01 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-21-2013 12:26 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 12:03 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  This sounds like something I've seen many times. School leaders on a power trip. Sure, part of it is having an orderly procedure at dismissal time but I suspect that if the GF was filming it, the man has had problems picking up his kids before. Some may claim set-up but I see it as ammunition and evidence for a lawsuit against over-reacting school personnel.

While schools have to be very careful in protecting their students, there is no reason that a parent can't come in and sign them out, no matter what time of day it is.

Sounds to me like the cop at the school just over-reacted in a major way and lost control of the situation and felt his only recourse was to arrest the guy. Hope he likes desk duty, because after the school district settles the lawsuit, that's where he will likely end up. He needs retraining in dealing with the public.

The whole point is that he REFUSED to sign them out.

There's inconvenience behind a lot of liability. If something happens to that kid because they didn't end up exactly where they needed to be, parents will sue the hell out of the school. These schools have a record of how every kid gets to and leaves school everyday. Any exception has to be on record.

I assure you, there aren't many schools that believe they own your children. In fact, the teachers can't wait to get those little Chuckies out of there.

This.

This entire situation was caused because a parent was acting like a child, and didn't understand that without signing out his child correctly, he was going to be seen as taking a child home that he isn't supposed to. Yeah, he's the dad and yeah, he knows he has the parental rights (meaning, custody) to get his kid when he wants, but the school and police officer likely didn't.

Not what happened. He wouldn't sign a form saying she could leave on her own because he was picking her up. He was picking her up because the way the school had arranged pick up he thought it wasn't safe. He shouldn't need to sign her out when school is dismissed.

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

Shouldn't need to, but there's precedence that says he has to. The rule isn't there for no reason. There's also a matter of order to keep.

Maybe I misspoke. I'm interpreting this as school was dismissed and kids were waiting to be picked up and he wanted to walk his daughter out of school. I don't see why he has to sign a form when the other parents don't if the only difference is that he's walking her out as opposed to her getting in his car when he drives up. If she was leaving EARLY then sure but I don't think that was the case.

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

ImMoreAwesomeThanYou ' Wrote:  Maybe I misspoke. I'm interpreting this as school was dismissed and kids were waiting to be picked up and he wanted to walk his daughter out of school. I don't see why he has to sign a form when the other parents don't if the only difference is that he's walking her out as opposed to her getting in his car when he drives up. If she was leaving EARLY then sure but I don't think that was the case.

I'm pretty sure you're correct in that school was letting out and the father didn't want to wait. On the video the father seemed to be doing this to make a point and the cop over reacted big time and should lose his job. If you or I handcuffed and carted away someone every time we disagreed with them we'd be in jail for a long time. The father wasn't being overly abusive - the cop was on a power trip.

And why was the cop there in the first place? And if it was so important that he be there, then why did he arrest the father and leave the school over basically nothing?

(11-21-2013 10:47 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(11-21-2013 08:12 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(11-21-2013 12:26 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  In fact, the teachers can't wait to get those little Chuckies out of there.

True. And just one of the many, many reasons why the "education system" as presently constituted will eventually disintegrate and be discarded. It won't be anytime soon (alas), but it will happen. Looking forward to it.

Why is that? Even private schools can't wait to get them outta there.

I don't believe that is nearly as true for private schools as it is for public schools.

(11-21-2013 11:40 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(11-21-2013 10:47 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(11-21-2013 08:12 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(11-21-2013 12:26 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  In fact, the teachers can't wait to get those little Chuckies out of there.

True. And just one of the many, many reasons why the "education system" as presently constituted will eventually disintegrate and be discarded. It won't be anytime soon (alas), but it will happen. Looking forward to it.

Why is that? Even private schools can't wait to get them outta there.

I don't believe that is nearly as true for private schools as it is for public schools.

A job is a job. I don't understand why you see that it could be any different.

(11-21-2013 11:49 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  A job is a job.

We'll have to disagree on that.