Quote:A father was arrested for attempting to pick his kids up from school in a startling new example of how the state is increasingly treating children as its own property.

Making a stand against what he considered a dangerous and illegal new school policy that forces parents to wait in a line of cars outside until children are released at 2:35pm, Jim Howe tried to walk his kids out of South Cumberland Elementary but was arrested and now faces charges of disorderly conduct.

“You don’t need a reason as a parent to go get your children. They are our children,” Howe states in a video of the incident.

The officer who made the arrest, Sheriff Deputy and School Resource Officer Avery Aytes, responds to Howe’s attempt to pick up his own children by stating, “I’m going to call some help down here and we’re going to take you up to the jail right now. I’m not putting up with this today. You’re being childish and it’s uncalled for.”

The school secretary attempts to get Howe to fill in a form to authorize the children to leave the school on their own, which Howe refuses to sign because he is escorting the children out of the school, stating, “They’re walking with me when school is dismissed, per state law.”

Aytes refuses to allow Howe to pick up his kids and then states, “The County jail is where you’re going,” to which Howe responds, “That’s fine I’ve been there before, adding, “You just opened yourself up for a lawsuit.”

The officer then accuses Howe of intimidating him, to which Howe responds, “I’m not raising my voice, I’m not confrontational, I want my kids.”

When Howe begins to quote Tennessee state law, the officer tells Howe to put his hands behind his back and proceeds to handcuff him. After walking Howe outside, Aytes then threatens to arrest Howe’s fiance Amanda Long who is filming the incident.

Video footage of the outside of the school clearly illustrates Howe’s point. The school has enforced a ludicrous policy which forces children to walk out into moving traffic rather than have their parents safely escort them to the car.

Deputy Aytes refused to comment on the case, while Cumberland County Sheriff Butch Burgess, whom Howe attempted to call during the incident, told ABC 6 that he agrees with Howe on principle because the new policy is creating safety concerns. The school has also refused to comment on the incident or the new policy.

Critics of the encroaching nanny state will see this as yet another example of how the government treats children as its own property while parents’ rights are eviscerated.

This collectivist ideal was encapsulated earlier this year when college professor and MSNBC host Melissa Harris-Perry caused an outcry amongst conservatives by stating, “We have to break through our private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families,” as part of a promotional video for an MSNBC campaign entitled ‘Lean Forward’.

Schools across America are also telling parents that they need to have a doctor’s note in order for their children to be allowed to bring packed lunches, while others are fining parents for not including certain items in packed lunches.

Meanwhile, in other major western countries, children are being assigned a “state minder” from birth under draconian new proposals that would enable the government to spy on families under the justification of preventing “child abuse”.

http://www.infowars.com/father-arrested-...om-school/

So, Hillary Clinton should write a book, maybe name it "It Takes A Village", and socialists should find
more and more ways to take over children, indoctrinate them with anti-capitalist videos, make their
parents jump through hoops just to pick them up, next to spy on their parents more and more.

Sounds like the guy is just a little to impatient.

"This collectivist ideal was encapsulated earlier this year when college professor and MSNBC host Melissa Harris-Perry caused an outcry amongst conservatives by stating, “We have to break through our private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families,” as part of a promotional video for an MSNBC campaign entitled ‘Lean Forward’."

Yeah, real bad thing for kids to belong to their families - how can we possibly let that happen?

(11-20-2013 09:50 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Sounds like the guy is just a little to impatient.

Sounds like he has his children's best interests at heart...

at first i thought this was gonna be about the guy who went apeshit over ALL the types of families being taught in kindergarten, got arrested, spent the night in jail, and had a restraining order from the school.

-i thought he tried to go pickup his kid......

(11-20-2013 10:05 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 09:50 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Sounds like the guy is just a little to impatient.

Sounds like he has his children's best interests at heart...

I have 1% sympathy for the school because I've seen the zoo that is parents trying to pick up their kids after classes. There is a need for understanding if a kid has left the school, and who is picking up the kid.

But this district just saw it's coffers considerable lightened. I'd imagine the district Legal office is meeting with HR and Finance at this very moment to see what they can afford for a settlement.

There should be a law saying that if my kids are home schooled or in private school I don't have to pay any tax associated with public schools.

(11-20-2013 10:39 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  There should be a law saying that if my kids are home schooled or in private school I don't have to pay any tax associated with public schools.

yeah if that law ever passes then i dont want any of my taxes going to the military

and what about people without kids? or private business in the area. if you pass a law like that you are basically talking a total collaspe of the education system

(11-20-2013 10:42 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 10:39 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  There should be a law saying that if my kids are home schooled or in private school I don't have to pay any tax associated with public schools.

yeah if that law ever passes then i dont want any of my taxes going to the military

and what about people without kids? or private business in the area. if you pass a law like that you are basically talking a total collaspe of the education system

Good

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

How can the cops arrest a guy for violating a "school policy", that isn't law?

(11-20-2013 10:05 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 09:50 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Sounds like the guy is just a little to impatient.

Sounds like he has his children's best interests at heart...

I just don't get his beef. School is dismissed at x o'clock and there is a procedure for how kids leave school. In my kid's school, I can't just walk in and take them out. I am buzzed in, go to the office, sign the kids out, kids come to office and we leave. Not really that big of a deal.

Pretty sure if he had sent in a note saying he wanted to pick up his kids a x oclock there would not have been an issue. This guy didn't want to wait in a car line and threw a hissy fit is what this is all about.

(11-20-2013 11:07 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 10:05 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 09:50 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Sounds like the guy is just a little to impatient.

Sounds like he has his children's best interests at heart...

I just don't get his beef. School is dismissed at x o'clock and there is a procedure for how kids leave school. In my kid's school, I can't just walk in and take them out. I am buzzed in, go to the office, sign the kids out, kids come to office and we leave. Not really that big of a deal.

Pretty sure if he had sent in a note saying he wanted to pick up his kids a x oclock there would not have been an issue. This guy didn't want to wait in a car line and threw a hissy fit is what this is all about.

See, I didn't get that from the article. Where I live we have the same procedure but the article led me to believe she was outside and he wanted to walk her to his car.

Re-read. He wanted to walk her out of the school. I still don't see why the school has a beef with this. It's his kid and he wasn't jeopardizing anyone. You don't get his beef and I don't get theirs.

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

(11-20-2013 11:25 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 11:07 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 10:05 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 09:50 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Sounds like the guy is just a little to impatient.

Sounds like he has his children's best interests at heart...

I just don't get his beef. School is dismissed at x o'clock and there is a procedure for how kids leave school. In my kid's school, I can't just walk in and take them out. I am buzzed in, go to the office, sign the kids out, kids come to office and we leave. Not really that big of a deal.

Pretty sure if he had sent in a note saying he wanted to pick up his kids a x oclock there would not have been an issue. This guy didn't want to wait in a car line and threw a hissy fit is what this is all about.

See, I didn't get that from the article. Where I live we have the same procedure but the article led me to believe she was outside and he wanted to walk her to his car.

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

Even so, the school's have these rules because of nutcases out there that do stupid stuff. Yes, the rules can be a pain but I just remind myself they are there for a reason. If the unspeakable happened at thi' guy's kid's school and some ill intended person infiltrated the school this dad would probably be the first one demanding stricter access rules.

(11-20-2013 11:29 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 11:25 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 11:07 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 10:05 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 09:50 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Sounds like the guy is just a little to impatient.

Sounds like he has his children's best interests at heart...

I just don't get his beef. School is dismissed at x o'clock and there is a procedure for how kids leave school. In my kid's school, I can't just walk in and take them out. I am buzzed in, go to the office, sign the kids out, kids come to office and we leave. Not really that big of a deal.

Pretty sure if he had sent in a note saying he wanted to pick up his kids a x oclock there would not have been an issue. This guy didn't want to wait in a car line and threw a hissy fit is what this is all about.

See, I didn't get that from the article. Where I live we have the same procedure but the article led me to believe she was outside and he wanted to walk her to his car.

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

Even so, the school's have these rules because of nutcases out there that do stupid stuff. Yes, the rules can be a pain but I just remind myself they are there for a reason. If the unspeakable happened at thi' guy's kid's school and some ill intended person infiltrated the school this dad would probably be the first one demanding stricter access rules.

The issue was not access. It was the pick up policy. They wouldn't let him walk his daughter to his car.

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

So a school has a policy about regarding someone else's kids that could end up with the parent being arrested. What if a church had that policy, or a toy store, or a little league team? Why do schools think they're gods?

Some of you sound like you do not feel like the state own's your kids.
Hillary and the other Libs would be upset.

It takes a village to raise an idiot.

(11-20-2013 11:07 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 10:05 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(11-20-2013 09:50 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Sounds like the guy is just a little to impatient.

Sounds like he has his children's best interests at heart...

I just don't get his beef. School is dismissed at x o'clock and there is a procedure for how kids leave school. In my kid's school, I can't just walk in and take them out. I am buzzed in, go to the office, sign the kids out, kids come to office and we leave. Not really that big of a deal.

Pretty sure if he had sent in a note saying he wanted to pick up his kids a x oclock there would not have been an issue. This guy didn't want to wait in a car line and threw a hissy fit is what this is all about.

This is what happened. I'm sure the school is trying to maintain some order at dismissal and there is a defined procedure in place to dismiss everyone.

This guy says "Fck that, I'm not waiting in the car line - I'll just go into the school, take the kids out and get to miss that inconvenient line." He then throws a fit when his plan gets stopped. The fact that his girlfriend was filming says set-up all the way.

Consider the school's side here for a second - They are trying to get in the neighborhood of 200 to 300 elementary aged kids all on the correct bus/correct car. Now, if they just let any parent come and take their kid with them at dismissal, pretty soon they've got 20 to 30 parents all wanting to grab their kid at dismissal so they don't have to "wait in line" either. How the hell do you control that?

Now I'm not saying the cop did everything correctly, but at dismissal time for small kids, there has to be a method to the madness so that everyone gets on the right bus, car riders get where they go and no kid get run over by a car.

And no - I'm not one of those liberals that thinks schools do no wrong.

This sounds like something I've seen many times. School leaders on a power trip. Sure, part of it is having an orderly procedure at dismissal time but I suspect that if the GF was filming it, the man has had problems picking up his kids before. Some may claim set-up but I see it as ammunition and evidence for a lawsuit against over-reacting school personnel.

While schools have to be very careful in protecting their students, there is no reason that a parent can't come in and sign them out, no matter what time of day it is.

Sounds to me like the cop at the school just over-reacted in a major way and lost control of the situation and felt his only recourse was to arrest the guy. Hope he likes desk duty, because after the school district settles the lawsuit, that's where he will likely end up. He needs retraining in dealing with the public.