(11-15-2013 02:36 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 01:30 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 09:47 AM)VA49er Wrote:  The Sahara wasn't always a desert.

I've done field work in West Texas... looking for the marine bi-valve the Permian Brachiopod and a kind of sea eel, the Conodont.

One thing we can all be sure of is that sh!t is always changing. How much we impact that by driving to the dunkin donuts is what's debatable.

That's neat. In a past life I was a biologist and that stuff still interests me.

The Sahara comment was just to point out that rain patterns can change without human intervention.

Yep. and I just chimed to further the point. West Texas was once a shallow inland sea or basin. Now? A tumbleweeded, rattlesnake infested, hell on earth on the right days. It's unbelievably beautiful at the same time, but in a desert/moon rock kind of way.

So yea, it's almost egomaniacal to think we can influence the earth with any way near as much, well influence, as it has on it's own self.

We are doomed. Doomed I tell you.

(11-15-2013 03:01 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 02:36 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 01:30 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 09:47 AM)VA49er Wrote:  The Sahara wasn't always a desert.

I've done field work in West Texas... looking for the marine bi-valve the Permian Brachiopod and a kind of sea eel, the Conodont.

One thing we can all be sure of is that sh!t is always changing. How much we impact that by driving to the dunkin donuts is what's debatable.

That's neat. In a past life I was a biologist and that stuff still interests me.

The Sahara comment was just to point out that rain patterns can change without human intervention.

Yep. and I just chimed to further the point. West Texas was once a shallow inland sea or basin. Now? A tumbleweeded, rattlesnake infested, hell on earth on the right days. It's unbelievably beautiful at the same time, but in a desert/moon rock kind of way.

So yea, it's almost egomaniacal to think we can influence the earth with any way near as much, well influence, as it has on it's own self.

It's not a stretch of the imagination in my opinion. Just think of all of the other ways humanity can have significant impacts on nature.

(11-15-2013 03:34 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 03:01 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 02:36 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 01:30 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 09:47 AM)VA49er Wrote:  The Sahara wasn't always a desert.

I've done field work in West Texas... looking for the marine bi-valve the Permian Brachiopod and a kind of sea eel, the Conodont.

One thing we can all be sure of is that sh!t is always changing. How much we impact that by driving to the dunkin donuts is what's debatable.

That's neat. In a past life I was a biologist and that stuff still interests me.

The Sahara comment was just to point out that rain patterns can change without human intervention.

Yep. and I just chimed to further the point. West Texas was once a shallow inland sea or basin. Now? A tumbleweeded, rattlesnake infested, hell on earth on the right days. It's unbelievably beautiful at the same time, but in a desert/moon rock kind of way.

So yea, it's almost egomaniacal to think we can influence the earth with any way near as much, well influence, as it has on it's own self.

It's not a stretch of the imagination in my opinion. Just think of all of the other ways humanity can have significant impacts on nature.

We're not talking about detonating a nuclear bomb. Of course humanity can impact nature in ways like that.

(11-15-2013 03:58 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 03:34 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 03:01 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 02:36 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 01:30 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  I've done field work in West Texas... looking for the marine bi-valve the Permian Brachiopod and a kind of sea eel, the Conodont.

One thing we can all be sure of is that sh!t is always changing. How much we impact that by driving to the dunkin donuts is what's debatable.

That's neat. In a past life I was a biologist and that stuff still interests me.

The Sahara comment was just to point out that rain patterns can change without human intervention.

Yep. and I just chimed to further the point. West Texas was once a shallow inland sea or basin. Now? A tumbleweeded, rattlesnake infested, hell on earth on the right days. It's unbelievably beautiful at the same time, but in a desert/moon rock kind of way.

So yea, it's almost egomaniacal to think we can influence the earth with any way near as much, well influence, as it has on it's own self.

It's not a stretch of the imagination in my opinion. Just think of all of the other ways humanity can have significant impacts on nature.

We're not talking about detonating a nuclear bomb. Of course humanity can impact nature in ways like that.

I'm not talking about nuclear bombs. I'm talking about smog, acid rain, and ocean acidfication, etc. If a single city full of cars and factories can pollute enough to make it dangerous to be outside, what do they all do together?

(11-15-2013 03:01 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  So yea, it's almost egomaniacal to think we can influence the earth with any way near as much, well influence, as it has on it's own self.

I don't think this is scientific either.

Humans now have 6-7B people, and machinery operating for decades. It's a legit question whether all of that can have a cumulative effect.

Clearly, the Earth's own processes dwarf man's on an event-to-event match up. But man's persistence in activity should be studied.

(11-15-2013 04:11 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 03:01 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  So yea, it's almost egomaniacal to think we can influence the earth with any way near as much, well influence, as it has on it's own self.

I don't think this is scientific either.

Humans now have 6-7B people, and machinery operating for decades. It's a legit question whether all of that can have a cumulative effect.

Clearly, the Earth's own processes dwarf man's on an event-to-event match up. But man's persistence in activity should be studied.

If you are referring to my quoted statement above as not being scientific, it most certainly is not. Simply my opinion or "hunch" as it were.

Point being we are seemingly able to tinker around the edges, we can f@#$ things up pretty good (see- waterways, pre late 1970's) but we are also capable of making some inroads on a fix here and there as well.

OTOH, If dear Mother Nature decides to take a serious turn to a coming Ice age, a massive change in weather patterns that could turn West texas into an ocean again or some turn of the Axis that turns North America into a frozen tundra or hot as the Carribean, we would be nearly helpless to do anything about it.

Should we be studying the impact of a thousand slashes as you suggest? Of course, we need to be good stewards during our scant time on earth. I simply think we over estimate our importance on this big blue blob.

The phrase "global warming" is what makes everyone mad.

If you ask someone if they believe the earth warms and cools, they say yes, but if you ask them if there is such a thing as global warming, they say no.

People are funny that way.

(11-15-2013 04:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  The phrase "global warming" is what makes everyone mad.

If you ask someone if they believe the earth warms and cools, they say yes, but if you ask them if there is such a thing as global warming, they say no.

People are funny that way.

What's funny is once again you don't even understand the conversation.

But, by all means carry on, it's comic relief anyway.

(11-15-2013 04:44 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 04:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  The phrase "global warming" is what makes everyone mad.

If you ask someone if they believe the earth warms and cools, they say yes, but if you ask them if there is such a thing as global warming, they say no.

People are funny that way.

What's funny is once again you don't even understand the conversation.

But, by all means carry on, it's comic relief anyway.

I understand the conversation perfectly.

The bottom line is this. People believe that the earth warms and cools in cycles.

The problem is that the phrase " global warming" has become a political term so people have had to deny things that they actually believe in order to jive with their politics.

It's pathetic but I get why people do it.

I 've had this conversation before with many conservatives and the easiest way to get them to admit it is to simply have them answer this question.

Do you believe that we ever had an ice age and what caused us to get out of it?

That pretty much end the arguement.

(11-15-2013 04:51 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 04:44 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 04:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  The phrase "global warming" is what makes everyone mad.

If you ask someone if they believe the earth warms and cools, they say yes, but if you ask them if there is such a thing as global warming, they say no.

People are funny that way.

What's funny is once again you don't even understand the conversation.

But, by all means carry on, it's comic relief anyway.

I understand the conversation perfectly.

The bottom line is this. People believe that the earth warms and cools in cycles.

The problem is that the phrase " global warming" has become a political term so people have had to deny things that they actually believe in order to jive with their politics.

It's pathetic but I get why people do it.

*sigh* and you confirm, yet again, that you don't understand the topic at hand.

(11-15-2013 04:44 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 04:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  The phrase "global warming" is what makes everyone mad.

If you ask someone if they believe the earth warms and cools, they say yes, but if you ask them if there is such a thing as global warming, they say no.

People are funny that way.

What's funny is once again you don't even understand the conversation.

But, by all means carry on, it's comic relief anyway.

It is funny. His persistence makes it even better.

(11-15-2013 04:51 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 04:44 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 04:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  The phrase "global warming" is what makes everyone mad.

If you ask someone if they believe the earth warms and cools, they say yes, but if you ask them if there is such a thing as global warming, they say no.

People are funny that way.

What's funny is once again you don't even understand the conversation.

But, by all means carry on, it's comic relief anyway.

I understand the conversation perfectly.

The bottom line is this. People believe that the earth warms and cools in cycles.

The problem is that the phrase " global warming" has become a political term so people have had to deny things that they actually believe in order to jive with their politics.

It's pathetic but I get why people do it.

I 've had this conversation before with many conservatives and the easiest way to get them to admit it is to simply have them answer this question.

Do you believe that we ever had an ice age and what caused us to get out of it?

That pretty much end the arguement.

Get back to me when you are ready to answer the question.

(11-15-2013 04:53 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 04:51 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 04:44 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 04:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  The phrase "global warming" is what makes everyone mad.

If you ask someone if they believe the earth warms and cools, they say yes, but if you ask them if there is such a thing as global warming, they say no.

People are funny that way.

What's funny is once again you don't even understand the conversation.

But, by all means carry on, it's comic relief anyway.

I understand the conversation perfectly.

The bottom line is this. People believe that the earth warms and cools in cycles.

The problem is that the phrase " global warming" has become a political term so people have had to deny things that they actually believe in order to jive with their politics.

It's pathetic but I get why people do it.

I 've had this conversation before with many conservatives and the easiest way to get them to admit it is to simply have them answer this question.

Do you believe that we ever had an ice age and what caused us to get out of it?

That pretty much end the arguement.

Get back to me when you are ready to answer the question.

lol. Mean the question you added once I had already QUOTED and responded to you, above? Nice try.

Sooo, what are you trying to get these conservatives to "admit"? Further, what does this prove. And, finally, what relevance would this answer have to the issue being discussed?

This oughta be good...

(11-15-2013 04:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  The phrase "global warming" is what makes everyone mad.

If you ask someone if they believe the earth warms and cools, they say yes, but if you ask them if there is such a thing as global warming, they say no.

People are funny that way.

The term, "Global Warming," assumes that the Earth will get hotter and hotter, eventually melting all the ice in the arctic and elsewhere, therefore flooding the Earth.

I believe in warm summers and cool winters. That's as far as it goes, this whole Global Warming sh*t is a hoax. Believe it and be a boob if you want to.

(11-15-2013 04:53 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 04:51 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 04:44 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 04:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  The phrase "global warming" is what makes everyone mad.

If you ask someone if they believe the earth warms and cools, they say yes, but if you ask them if there is such a thing as global warming, they say no.

People are funny that way.

What's funny is once again you don't even understand the conversation.

But, by all means carry on, it's comic relief anyway.

I understand the conversation perfectly.

The bottom line is this. People believe that the earth warms and cools in cycles.

The problem is that the phrase " global warming" has become a political term so people have had to deny things that they actually believe in order to jive with their politics.

It's pathetic but I get why people do it.

I 've had this conversation before with many conservatives and the easiest way to get them to admit it is to simply have them answer this question.

Do you believe that we ever had an ice age and what caused us to get out of it?

That pretty much end the arguement.

Get back to me when you are ready to answer the question.

I've already answered that for you. According to the "Ice Age," we're still in it. What do you think the planet looked like in the Ice Age, the planet of Hoth?

(11-15-2013 05:32 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 04:53 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 04:51 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 04:44 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 04:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  The phrase "global warming" is what makes everyone mad.

If you ask someone if they believe the earth warms and cools, they say yes, but if you ask them if there is such a thing as global warming, they say no.

People are funny that way.

What's funny is once again you don't even understand the conversation.

But, by all means carry on, it's comic relief anyway.

I understand the conversation perfectly.

The bottom line is this. People believe that the earth warms and cools in cycles.

The problem is that the phrase " global warming" has become a political term so people have had to deny things that they actually believe in order to jive with their politics.

It's pathetic but I get why people do it.

I 've had this conversation before with many conservatives and the easiest way to get them to admit it is to simply have them answer this question.

Do you believe that we ever had an ice age and what caused us to get out of it?

That pretty much end the arguement.

Get back to me when you are ready to answer the question.

I've already answered that for you. According to the "Ice Age," we're still in it. What do you think the planet looked like in the Ice Age, the planet of Hoth?

Okay so according to you, we are still in the ice age?

At least you answered the question.

Let's see if the others have as much guts as you.

(11-15-2013 05:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 05:32 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 04:53 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 04:51 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 04:44 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  What's funny is once again you don't even understand the conversation.

But, by all means carry on, it's comic relief anyway.

I understand the conversation perfectly.

The bottom line is this. People believe that the earth warms and cools in cycles.

The problem is that the phrase " global warming" has become a political term so people have had to deny things that they actually believe in order to jive with their politics.

It's pathetic but I get why people do it.

I 've had this conversation before with many conservatives and the easiest way to get them to admit it is to simply have them answer this question.

Do you believe that we ever had an ice age and what caused us to get out of it?

That pretty much end the arguement.

Get back to me when you are ready to answer the question.

I've already answered that for you. According to the "Ice Age," we're still in it. What do you think the planet looked like in the Ice Age, the planet of Hoth?

Okay so according to you, we are still in the ice age?

At least you answered the question.

Let's see if the others have as much guts as you.

I'll answer it, just clear things up for me a bit first vis a vis the questions I asked above, mmm, k? thx.