https://www.llnl.gov/news/newsreleases/2...oW6s_msg1-

Quote:A new study by Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory scientists shows that observed changes in global (ocean and land) precipitation are directly affected by human activities and cannot be explained by natural variability alone. The research appears in the Nov. 11 online edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Quote:"In combination, manmade increases in greenhouse gases and stratospheric ozone depletion are expected to lead to both an intensification and redistribution of global precipitation," said Céline Bonfils, the other LLNL author. "The fact that we see both of these effects simultaneously in the observations is strong evidence that humans are affecting global precipitation."

Meh, they probably fudged data somewhere.

Can't be explained so it must be, or at least strong evidence, caused by human activities.

That about sum it up?

(11-15-2013 02:00 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Can't be explained so it must be, or at least strong evidence, caused by human activities.

That about sum it up?

What else would cause data do deviate from natural variability? Aliens?

Thank God we will not miss a day of having a new global warming thread.
There should be a separate section for them.

(11-15-2013 02:20 AM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 02:00 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Can't be explained so it must be, or at least strong evidence, caused by human activities.

That about sum it up?

What else would cause data do deviate from natural variability? Aliens?

So you agree with my summation.

(11-15-2013 02:20 AM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 02:00 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Can't be explained so it must be, or at least strong evidence, caused by human activities.

That about sum it up?

What else would cause data do deviate from natural variability? Aliens?

That's the flawed assumption that they start with.

This is an exercise in computer modeling. And kind of a boring one.

(11-15-2013 02:20 AM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 02:00 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Can't be explained so it must be, or at least strong evidence, caused by human activities.

That about sum it up?

What else would cause data do deviate from natural variability? Aliens?

You do know before Newton we could not explain explain Gravity in quantifiable manner right? We could not explain the orbit of the Planets with any natural process.

(11-15-2013 02:20 AM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 02:00 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Can't be explained so it must be, or at least strong evidence, caused by human activities.

That about sum it up?

What else would cause data do deviate from natural variability? Aliens?

Your question assumes that the data deviate from natural variability. Which assumes further that you know definitively what natural variability is in this case. Which I'm quite certain you don't, since I haven't seen your name mentioned for any Nobel prizes.

But my larger question is this. If you are so convinced that it's such a huge problem, why are you wearing out brain cells debating the problem instead of using them to explore and find a solution?

Because at the end of the day, what your side is proposing as "solutions" will not solve anything.

The Sahara wasn't always a desert.

(11-15-2013 08:33 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 02:20 AM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 02:00 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Can't be explained so it must be, or at least strong evidence, caused by human activities.

That about sum it up?

What else would cause data do deviate from natural variability? Aliens?

You do know before Newton we could not explain explain Gravity in quantifiable manner right? We could not explain the orbit of the Planets with any natural process.

Yeah but, chupacabra.

bigfoot

(11-15-2013 01:16 AM)dmacfour Wrote:  https://www.llnl.gov/news/newsreleases/2...oW6s_msg1-

Quote:A new study by Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory scientists shows that observed changes in global (ocean and land) precipitation are directly affected by human activities and cannot be explained by natural variability alone. The research appears in the Nov. 11 online edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Quote:"In combination, manmade increases in greenhouse gases and stratospheric ozone depletion are expected to lead to both an intensification and redistribution of global precipitation," said Céline Bonfils, the other LLNL author. "The fact that we see both of these effects simultaneously in the observations is strong evidence that humans are affecting global precipitation."

Meh, they probably fudged data somewhere.

So.............it rains harder and in somewhat different locations.

Is the planet warming somewhat? Probably so - but it has done this throughout the history of the earth. Warming, then cooling, warming, then cooling.

As Owl said - the real question is how much of an effect, if any, do humans contribute AND if we were to do certain things - what effect would that have? NOBODY has those answers.

Maybe we should ban - worldwide - all burning of fuels period. No fossil fuels, no wood - nothing. Then we'll do that for about 100 years and see what effect, if any, this change brought about. The worlds population can live in caves for this time while we sort it out.

(11-15-2013 09:47 AM)VA49er Wrote:  The Sahara wasn't always a desert.

I've done field work in West Texas... looking for the marine bi-valve the Permian Brachiopod and a kind of sea eel, the Conodont.

One thing we can all be sure of is that sh!t is always changing. How much we impact that by driving to the dunkin donuts is what's debatable.

(11-15-2013 11:09 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  bigfoot

Leprechauns w/ space heaters.

I proposed this several years ago, and have yet to have it refuted. Which is more than Hanson can say about his work!

Dear god help me.... for weeks the sun was so hot...I could not even walk outside... then god forbid the last two nights were below freezing.... now it won't stop raining.... the rain "feels" acidic on my skin.

Damn that global warming

(11-15-2013 01:30 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 09:47 AM)VA49er Wrote:  The Sahara wasn't always a desert.

I've done field work in West Texas... looking for the marine bi-valve the Permian Brachiopod and a kind of sea eel, the Conodont.

One thing we can all be sure of is that sh!t is always changing. How much we impact that by driving to the dunkin donuts is what's debatable.

That's neat. In a past life I was a biologist and that stuff still interests me.

The Sahara comment was just to point out that rain patterns can change without human intervention.

(11-15-2013 02:36 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 01:30 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 09:47 AM)VA49er Wrote:  The Sahara wasn't always a desert.

I've done field work in West Texas... looking for the marine bi-valve the Permian Brachiopod and a kind of sea eel, the Conodont.

One thing we can all be sure of is that sh!t is always changing. How much we impact that by driving to the dunkin donuts is what's debatable.

That's neat. In a past life I was a biologist and that stuff still interests me.

The Sahara comment was just to point out that rain patterns can change without human intervention.

Yep.

(11-15-2013 02:20 AM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(11-15-2013 02:00 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Can't be explained so it must be, or at least strong evidence, caused by human activities.

That about sum it up?

What else would cause data do deviate from natural variability? Aliens?

(11-15-2013 11:09 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  bigfoot

BIGFOOT IS REAL!

On an unrelated note, I have a friend who succeeded in tricking the producers of a bigfoot related show on a major canle network into investigating a "Bigfoot" they saw. The whole thing started as a joke but they rolled with it and got paid for an interview.