(09-29-2021 04:41 PM)memtigbb Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 04:36 PM)mairving Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 04:26 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 04:21 PM)Tiger46 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 03:36 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ]Nope. They can spew their covid viral load all game long and noone would be the wiser.
Thats primarily the issue with the lack of intelligence in this mandate and others on this board. They think the covid vax is the same as the small pox vax. It isnt.
They also believe being vaxxed is the same as having natural immunity. It isnt.
And all the people who died from COVID are dead. Numbers so staggering you can't get in a hospital. Can't even have a freakin funeral anymore.
How many of them had the vaccine?
How many of the announced covid deaths--were actually Covid ?---Hospitals were given EXTRA $$$$$$$ for every death they listed as COVID----FACT
Why would a hospital get extra money for a death? Once they die they can no longer bill for services. Hospitals might get more money for a patient that has covid but that is often due to them needing more care. Also if a hospital incorrectly and intentionally makes an improper diagnosis to make extra money then it becomes insurance fraud and cones with heavy penalties, fines loss of licenses and inability to bill insurers.
Several types of Covid 19 payments to hospitals.
If listed as Covid..
20% more pay over medicare due to the Cares Act.
13,000$ paid to the hospital for any patient admitted with Covid 19.
37,000$ paid to the hospital for any Covid patient placed on a ventilator.
Now, if I am in charge of billing in a hospital, every patient is going to have Covid, especially since they only have to show symptoms to be qualified, not actually test positive.
I just dont get why people care who does or does not get vaccinated. I am vaccinated and that is the only person I care one way or the other about. If others want to be unvaxxed, good for them. It is just as likely that I catch Covid from a vaccinated person rather than an unvaxxed.
In fact, I have seen studies that show you are even more likely to spread/get covid with the vax, but the symptoms are so much milder that most vac who get it dont go to the doctor or hospital. Not sure if it is true or not, and dont really care either way.
If you are in charge of a hospital and do that you will get fired and end up in jail because again it's insurance fraud. I have been through Medicare audits at work before. You have to provide them with pretty exacting documentation and then hold your breath and hope that you didn't miss anything. Medicare always uses the carrot and stick approach. They give you incentives (carrot) but once you take the incentive they try their best to get it back.
(09-29-2021 04:57 PM)mairving Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 04:41 PM)memtigbb Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 04:36 PM)mairving Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 04:26 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 04:21 PM)Tiger46 Wrote: [ -> ]And all the people who died from COVID are dead. Numbers so staggering you can't get in a hospital. Can't even have a freakin funeral anymore.
How many of them had the vaccine?
How many of the announced covid deaths--were actually Covid ?---Hospitals were given EXTRA $$$$$$$ for every death they listed as COVID----FACT
Why would a hospital get extra money for a death? Once they die they can no longer bill for services. Hospitals might get more money for a patient that has covid but that is often due to them needing more care. Also if a hospital incorrectly and intentionally makes an improper diagnosis to make extra money then it becomes insurance fraud and cones with heavy penalties, fines loss of licenses and inability to bill insurers.
Several types of Covid 19 payments to hospitals.
If listed as Covid..
20% more pay over medicare due to the Cares Act.
13,000$ paid to the hospital for any patient admitted with Covid 19.
37,000$ paid to the hospital for any Covid patient placed on a ventilator.
Now, if I am in charge of billing in a hospital, every patient is going to have Covid, especially since they only have to show symptoms to be qualified, not actually test positive.
I just dont get why people care who does or does not get vaccinated. I am vaccinated and that is the only person I care one way or the other about. If others want to be unvaxxed, good for them. It is just as likely that I catch Covid from a vaccinated person rather than an unvaxxed.
In fact, I have seen studies that show you are even more likely to spread/get covid with the vax, but the symptoms are so much milder that most vac who get it dont go to the doctor or hospital. Not sure if it is true or not, and dont really care either way.
If you are in charge of a hospital and do that you will get fired and end up in jail because again it's insurance fraud. I have been through Medicare audits at work before. You have to provide them with pretty exacting documentation and then hold your breath and hope that you didn't miss anything. Medicare always uses the carrot and stick approach. They give you incentives (carrot) but once you take the incentive they try their best to get it back.
Except for that one small fact you are overlooking... you dont have to test positive, just show any of the 100s of symptoms and you can legally be called a covid patient.
(09-29-2021 04:45 PM)George CantStandYa Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 04:37 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 04:30 PM)George CantStandYa Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 04:29 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 04:22 PM)George CantStandYa Wrote: [ -> ]Read my comment again, slowly, because you seem really dumb right now.
I stand by statement---YOU ARE WHINING at those of us that refuse to take the shot
I stand by my feeling that you are just not that bright.
Why the hostility ? Says something about your brightness !
As for me not being that bright --I an bright enough not to put that shot in my body-----opinions vary when it comes to my brightness --however if you have better than 141 then my hats off to you
The opinions stop varying once your opinion of yourself is excluded. Anyone reading your rantings can tell there is not a whole lot of actual critical thought going on. It's ok, I am sure you have other skills not dependent on intelligence.
Other skills----shoot I aspire to have the skills of you and DANNY1/FORMER GUEST-----the 2 of you are the E F Hutton's of the board---people hang on your every word
(09-29-2021 04:26 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 04:21 PM)Tiger46 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 03:36 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 02:25 PM)Dynamos Wrote: [ -> ]Does a vaccinated person have to bring proof of a negative test?
Nope. They can spew their covid viral load all game long and noone would be the wiser.
Thats primarily the issue with the lack of intelligence in this mandate and others on this board. They think the covid vax is the same as the small pox vax. It isnt.
They also believe being vaxxed is the same as having natural immunity. It isnt.
And all the people who died from COVID are dead. Numbers so staggering you can't get in a hospital. Can't even have a freakin funeral anymore.
How many of them had the vaccine?
How many of the announced covid deaths--were actually Covid ?---Hospitals were given EXTRA $$$$$$$ for every death they listed as COVID----FACT
I deal with hospitals every day in my job. I would say 98% of them list COVID deaths accurately. They do get extra money for COVID deaths but no one is that stupid. The funeral homes have to know cause of death, as do insurance companies and let's don't forget the families. Like they wouldn't know.
(09-29-2021 04:38 PM)oruvoice Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 04:24 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote: [ -> ]Like many of you, I received an email stating an at home test result is an acceptable option. It provides further evidence the mandates are cosmetic theater because one can easily fake or use an old negative test.
My guess is the authorities will declare victory by the end of October (cases are already on the decline) and claim their measures was the reason and end the mandates.
Also, the email omitted refund information.
FWIW, I asked for the refund process, although I have not decided if I will request one.
Astute point. Cosmetic theater is right.
As far as them declaring victory and moving on...I'm not so sure about that one. I think a lot of folks in government and big pharma have realize something in the past year that will lead to the next crisis and the next one after that, whether it's Covid19 or something else.
I expect lost revenue will provide an incentive to end or materially alter mandates for the FedEx Forum. The declining case and hospitalization trend will give them cover and allow the authorities to pat themselves on the back for following the “Science”. I could be wrong, of course.
For those interested, track statewide hospitalizations
HERE
(09-29-2021 05:09 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 04:38 PM)oruvoice Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 04:24 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote: [ -> ]Like many of you, I received an email stating an at home test result is an acceptable option. It provides further evidence the mandates are cosmetic theater because one can easily fake or use an old negative test.
My guess is the authorities will declare victory by the end of October (cases are already on the decline) and claim their measures was the reason and end the mandates.
Also, the email omitted refund information.
FWIW, I asked for the refund process, although I have not decided if I will request one.
Astute point. Cosmetic theater is right.
As far as them declaring victory and moving on...I'm not so sure about that one. I think a lot of folks in government and big pharma have realize something in the past year that will lead to the next crisis and the next one after that, whether it's Covid19 or something else.
I expect lost revenue will provide an incentive to end or materially alter mandates for the FedEx Forum. The declining case and hospitalization trend will give them cover and allow the authorities to pat themselves on the back for following the “Science”. I could be wrong, of course.
For those interested, track statewide hospitalizations HERE
Well they just announced its mask and vaccine or negative test until further notice
(09-29-2021 05:05 PM)Tiger46 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 04:26 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 04:21 PM)Tiger46 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 03:36 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 02:25 PM)Dynamos Wrote: [ -> ]Does a vaccinated person have to bring proof of a negative test?
Nope. They can spew their covid viral load all game long and noone would be the wiser.
Thats primarily the issue with the lack of intelligence in this mandate and others on this board. They think the covid vax is the same as the small pox vax. It isnt.
They also believe being vaxxed is the same as having natural immunity. It isnt.
And all the people who died from COVID are dead. Numbers so staggering you can't get in a hospital. Can't even have a freakin funeral anymore.
How many of them had the vaccine?
How many of the announced covid deaths--were actually Covid ?---Hospitals were given EXTRA $$$$$$$ for every death they listed as COVID----FACT
I deal with hospitals every day in my job. I would say 98% of them list COVID deaths accurately. They do get extra money for COVID deaths but no one is that stupid. The funeral homes have to know cause of death, as do insurance companies and let's don't forget the families. Like they wouldn't know.
Died in a head on collision --but had covid--died of covid-------fell off a building but had covid --died of covid-----shot in the head but had covid--covid death----died by snake bite but had covid--died of covid----tree fell on him but had covid --covid death--star fell on her/ a bear/a moose /a mongoose/ choked on a chicken leg --ETC ETC ETC---it happened all across the country
(09-29-2021 04:05 PM)oruvoice Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 03:56 PM)macgar32 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 02:16 PM)oruvoice Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 02:09 PM)macgar32 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 12:51 PM)oruvoice Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure if you realize it, but you just made my (our) point.
There is simply no way possible that we really know the answers to most of these questions. In 5-10-20 years...sure. But, those speaking in definites on these topics is a partisan, a moron, or both.
Cell phones does not cause brain cancer in 50 years of use...Anyone who says that definitively is a moron, partisan or both
Extensive use of computer screens for 50 years does not cause blindness...Anyone who says that definitively is a moron, partisan or both
Driving an electric car for 10 years does not cause infertility from sitting above the battery...Anyone who says that definitively is a moron, partisan or both
I can do this all day.
100% correct. Anyone who said (definitively) when cell phones, computers, and electric cars first came out, that they knew the long term affects, was just guessing.
Many years later, we have a much better idea. It'll be the same with these vaccines and Covid19.
Lol but they knew the effects of the underlying technology...
The underlying technology behind the vaccines is not new either.
If you are confident in the science behind these vaccines, more power to you. Get the jab. And, the follow up jab. And, all of the follow up jabs after that.
For me, I'm going to wait and see. Plus, I'm relatively young and have had no major health issues my entire life (knock on wood).
That is your right...
But you are fully aware of the consequences of not taking the shot....Like what is being done for Tiger games so you shouldn't complain because you chose it.
(09-29-2021 05:38 PM)macgar32 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 04:05 PM)oruvoice Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 03:56 PM)macgar32 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 02:16 PM)oruvoice Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 02:09 PM)macgar32 Wrote: [ -> ]Cell phones does not cause brain cancer in 50 years of use...Anyone who says that definitively is a moron, partisan or both
Extensive use of computer screens for 50 years does not cause blindness...Anyone who says that definitively is a moron, partisan or both
Driving an electric car for 10 years does not cause infertility from sitting above the battery...Anyone who says that definitively is a moron, partisan or both
I can do this all day.
100% correct. Anyone who said (definitively) when cell phones, computers, and electric cars first came out, that they knew the long term affects, was just guessing.
Many years later, we have a much better idea. It'll be the same with these vaccines and Covid19.
Lol but they knew the effects of the underlying technology...
The underlying technology behind the vaccines is not new either.
If you are confident in the science behind these vaccines, more power to you. Get the jab. And, the follow up jab. And, all of the follow up jabs after that.
For me, I'm going to wait and see. Plus, I'm relatively young and have had no major health issues my entire life (knock on wood).
That is your right...
But you are fully aware of the consequences of not taking the shot....Like what is being done for Tiger games so you shouldn't complain because you chose it.
DUDE this is bigger than a FRECKIn BB FB game-----my ? 2 you is --are you fully aware of the consequences of taking the shot----the answer is no--and you will not know for 10 years or more
(09-29-2021 04:10 PM)steves Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 09:21 AM)UMTiger02 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 08:03 AM)steves Wrote: [ -> ]What's funny is I think they're going overboard on the vaccination/testing entry requirements. I'm all for free parking, beer and hotdogs for proof of vaccinations but that's not gonna happen either so I'll enjoy being able to go to games this year and getting good seats on the cheap !! It's your right to not get shots ... not wear .motorcyclist helmets and smoke cigarettes. See y'all at the games ... maybe !!!
On the cheap? Please folks will be charging $150 for a pair of nosebleeds too watch that team play Lane College
And the word is scalper ... Right outside the FEF !! They'll have plenty of tickets and the closer to game time, the cheaper they get. And they compete against each other, so don't be in a hurry. 
I
I did just buy last week a ticket for the Tennessee game in Nashville for 160 ... NOSEBLEED. I'm betting I can move down but I wasn't going to chance it.
the nashville arena has the same covid requirements
(09-29-2021 05:45 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 05:38 PM)macgar32 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 04:05 PM)oruvoice Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 03:56 PM)macgar32 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 02:16 PM)oruvoice Wrote: [ -> ]100% correct. Anyone who said (definitively) when cell phones, computers, and electric cars first came out, that they knew the long term affects, was just guessing.
Many years later, we have a much better idea. It'll be the same with these vaccines and Covid19.
Lol but they knew the effects of the underlying technology...
The underlying technology behind the vaccines is not new either.
If you are confident in the science behind these vaccines, more power to you. Get the jab. And, the follow up jab. And, all of the follow up jabs after that.
For me, I'm going to wait and see. Plus, I'm relatively young and have had no major health issues my entire life (knock on wood).
That is your right...
But you are fully aware of the consequences of not taking the shot....Like what is being done for Tiger games so you shouldn't complain because you chose it.
DUDE this is bigger than a FRECKIn BB FB game-----my ? 2 you is --are you fully aware of the consequences of taking the shot----the answer is no--and you will not know for 10 years or more
That argument is dead...
If you bring a rock back from Mars...Are we fully aware of what may happen. It could kill everyone. Even if they run all he tests and do all the studies first they still don't know based on your logic right.
See how silly that sounds.
(09-29-2021 05:47 PM)Unionman76 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 04:10 PM)steves Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 09:21 AM)UMTiger02 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 08:03 AM)steves Wrote: [ -> ]What's funny is I think they're going overboard on the vaccination/testing entry requirements. I'm all for free parking, beer and hotdogs for proof of vaccinations but that's not gonna happen either so I'll enjoy being able to go to games this year and getting good seats on the cheap !! It's your right to not get shots ... not wear .motorcyclist helmets and smoke cigarettes. See y'all at the games ... maybe !!!
On the cheap? Please folks will be charging $150 for a pair of nosebleeds too watch that team play Lane College
And the word is scalper ... Right outside the FEF !! They'll have plenty of tickets and the closer to game time, the cheaper they get. And they compete against each other, so don't be in a hurry. I
I did just buy last week a ticket for the Tennessee game in Nashville for 160 ... NOSEBLEED. I'm betting I can move down but I wasn't going to chance it.
the nashville arena has the same covid requirements
Yep and people have to use the Clear App. Preds barely lost any season ticket holders. The vocal minority barely come to games. Hasn’t been a big deal.
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(09-29-2021 05:51 PM)macgar32 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 05:45 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 05:38 PM)macgar32 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 04:05 PM)oruvoice Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 03:56 PM)macgar32 Wrote: [ -> ]Lol but they knew the effects of the underlying technology...
The underlying technology behind the vaccines is not new either.
If you are confident in the science behind these vaccines, more power to you. Get the jab. And, the follow up jab. And, all of the follow up jabs after that.
For me, I'm going to wait and see. Plus, I'm relatively young and have had no major health issues my entire life (knock on wood).
That is your right...
But you are fully aware of the consequences of not taking the shot....Like what is being done for Tiger games so you shouldn't complain because you chose it.
DUDE this is bigger than a FRECKIn BB FB game-----my ? 2 you is --are you fully aware of the consequences of taking the shot----the answer is no--and you will not know for 10 years or more
That argument is dead...
If you bring a rock back from Mars...Are we fully aware of what may happen. It could kill everyone. Even if they run all he tests and do all the studies first they still don't know based on your logic right.
See how silly that sounds.
The problem is they haven't run all the tests and did all the studies. However I do like the rock example----but I would rather take my chances with the rock than shot
(09-29-2021 06:09 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 05:51 PM)macgar32 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 05:45 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 05:38 PM)macgar32 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 04:05 PM)oruvoice Wrote: [ -> ]If you are confident in the science behind these vaccines, more power to you. Get the jab. And, the follow up jab. And, all of the follow up jabs after that.
For me, I'm going to wait and see. Plus, I'm relatively young and have had no major health issues my entire life (knock on wood).
That is your right...
But you are fully aware of the consequences of not taking the shot....Like what is being done for Tiger games so you shouldn't complain because you chose it.
DUDE this is bigger than a FRECKIn BB FB game-----my ? 2 you is --are you fully aware of the consequences of taking the shot----the answer is no--and you will not know for 10 years or more
That argument is dead...
If you bring a rock back from Mars...Are we fully aware of what may happen. It could kill everyone. Even if they run all he tests and do all the studies first they still don't know based on your logic right.
See how silly that sounds.
The problem is they haven't run all the tests and did all the studies. However I do like the rock example----but I would rather take my chances with the rock than shot
Lol...Ok
You don't know what that rock is going to do to you 10 years down the road though.
Fraudci is about to announce that you are no longer considered vaxxed without the booster. SO you VaxSimps get ready to get you another jab like Biden* did on Monday.
Speaking of which, have you guys seen Biden* since the booster shot?
hmmmmmmmm, i'm sure its nothing, and I'm sure they'd lie about it if it was something.
(09-29-2021 06:51 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ]Fraudci is about to announce that you are no longer considered vaxxed without the booster. SO you VaxSimps get ready to get you another jab like Biden* did on Monday.
Speaking of which, have you guys seen Biden* since the booster shot?
hmmmmmmmm, i'm sure its nothing, and I'm sure they'd lie about it if it was something.
Fraudci LOL-----HOW TRUE----he should be in prison instead of KING
(09-29-2021 07:00 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2021 06:51 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ]Fraudci is about to announce that you are no longer considered vaxxed without the booster. SO you VaxSimps get ready to get you another jab like Biden* did on Monday.
Speaking of which, have you guys seen Biden* since the booster shot?
hmmmmmmmm, i'm sure its nothing, and I'm sure they'd lie about it if it was something.
Fraudci LOL-----HOW TRUE----he should be in prison instead of KING
You two part of the Flat Earther Club too…?