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Would the SoCon consider adding Belmont and Lipscomb to try and keep UTC in the conference?

The SoCon West for Olympic sports would be Lipscomb, Belmont, ETSU, UTC, Samford, and Mercer

That’s a pretty tight travel footprint

(01-26-2021 02:19 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: [ -> ]Would the SoCon consider adding Belmont and Lipscomb to try and keep UTC in the conference?

The SoCon West for Olympic sports would be Lipscomb, Belmont, ETSU, UTC, Samford, and Mercer

That’s a pretty tight travel footprint

That wouldn't be a bad deal and would further strengthen basketball.

In the east you would have Furman, Wofford, Western, Citadel, VMI, UNCG

That's not too shabby either

I don't think you will see any great collapse of the OVC or for that matter any change in the SoCon lineup. It's possible, even probable, the OVC loses Austin Peay to the ASUN in the few years. But I think it's less likely Murray State moves, as they are basketball centric, and so long as Belmont and Morehead State are around they will stay put. Belmont seems quite happy where they are, and seeing two schools that wanted to emphasize FB over basketball leave, probably doesn't bother them one bit. The Tennessee schools seem solid --TSU even turned down the SWAC-- and there is not sign of interest out there for the likes of SIU-E, Morehead or SEMO.

The SoCon is up the food chain from the likes of the ASUN, OVC and Big South. They might very well like Belmont and perhaps would be interested in Elon should the CAA start disintegrating (already grumbling about their drop in stature, mediocre performance). But there is no pressing need, and Belmont has shown no interest in moving, making this moot.

There is no big pot of gold for schools moving at this level. So there wont be a panic scramble. I predict it get pretty quiet again.

(01-26-2021 02:19 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-26-2021 01:56 PM)billybobby777 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-25-2021 04:06 PM)dbackjon Wrote: [ -> ]Missouri State will not leave the MVC for an inferior basketball conference.

My thoughts exactly. The MVC is a damn fine conference that puts teams in the final 4. Missouri State has been in the sweet 16 not too long ago. I can’t remember exactly when....but anyway even after losing Creighton and Wichita St they still have good schools with big gyms...

Yep. 6 of the current 10 members have made the Sweet 16 since 1998. The league has the #11 and #28 teams in NET right now and is on the bubble for a 2-bid league. It also has an iconic conference tournament that’s a manageable drive in an alumni-rich market for all 10 members.

No one’s leaving the MVC for the ASUN.

There was talk 10 years ago that Missouri St might have considered a slot in CUSA but probably not where CUSA is today.

A full roll of the dice for the ASun not happening. For a 20% chance at FBS by 2026 its a non-starter.

(01-26-2021 02:57 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think you will see any great collapse of the OVC or for that matter any change in the SoCon lineup. It's possible, even probable, the OVC loses Austin Peay to the ASUN in the few years. But I think it's less likely Murray State moves, as they are basketball centric, and so long as Belmont and Morehead State are around they will stay put. Belmont seems quite happy where they are, and seeing two schools that wanted to emphasize FB over basketball leave, probably doesn't bother them one bit. The Tennessee schools seem solid --TSU even turned down the SWAC-- and there is not sign of interest out there for the likes of SIU-E, Morehead or SEMO.

The SoCon is up the food chain from the likes of the ASUN, OVC and Big South. They might very well like Belmont and perhaps would be interested in Elon should the CAA start disintegrating (already grumbling about their drop in stature, mediocre performance). But there is no pressing need, and Belmont has shown no interest in moving, making this moot.

There is no big pot of gold for schools moving at this level. So there wont be a panic scramble. I predict it get pretty quiet again.

Agreed.
That's why I think Belmont will stay put and one of the two replacements will be of Belmont's liking

(01-26-2021 02:12 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: [ -> ]I’m fully aware of the nuances of the MVFC vs MVFC and the unusual deal that UC Davis and Cal Poly have in the Big Sky. There’s no reason why Youngstown St can’t demand the same special arrangement that Cal Poly and UC Davis have with the Big Sky with the ASUN. If the ASUN wants them that badly they’ll offer the Penguins terms that have them cozy and secure.

Why would the ASUN grant permanent mebership to a school that is just holding the fort for them until they can talk an Austin Peay to move or some D-II move up? There is always a Monmouth or even borrow Robert Morris from the Big South in their partnership deal.

That's just stupid to even suggest it. Makes no sense either direction.

(01-26-2021 02:57 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think you will see any great collapse of the OVC or for that matter any change in the SoCon lineup. It's possible, even probable, the OVC loses Austin Peay to the ASUN in the few years. But I think it's less likely Murray State moves, as they are basketball centric, and so long as Belmont and Morehead State are around they will stay put. Belmont seems quite happy where they are, and seeing two schools that wanted to emphasize FB over basketball leave, probably doesn't bother them one bit. The Tennessee schools seem solid --TSU even turned down the SWAC-- and there is not sign of interest out there for the likes of SIU-E, Morehead or SEMO.

The SoCon is up the food chain from the likes of the ASUN, OVC and Big South. They might very well like Belmont and perhaps would be interested in Elon should the CAA start disintegrating (already grumbling about their drop in stature, mediocre performance). But there is no pressing need, and Belmont has shown no interest in moving, making this moot.

There is no big pot of gold for schools moving at this level. So there wont be a panic scramble. I predict it get pretty quiet again.

It would probably take something along the lines of being a necessity for the conference to survive for the SoCon to welcome Elon back. There were a lot of bridges burned when they made their move.

(01-26-2021 04:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-26-2021 02:57 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think you will see any great collapse of the OVC or for that matter any change in the SoCon lineup. It's possible, even probable, the OVC loses Austin Peay to the ASUN in the few years. But I think it's less likely Murray State moves, as they are basketball centric, and so long as Belmont and Morehead State are around they will stay put. Belmont seems quite happy where they are, and seeing two schools that wanted to emphasize FB over basketball leave, probably doesn't bother them one bit. The Tennessee schools seem solid --TSU even turned down the SWAC-- and there is not sign of interest out there for the likes of SIU-E, Morehead or SEMO.

The SoCon is up the food chain from the likes of the ASUN, OVC and Big South. They might very well like Belmont and perhaps would be interested in Elon should the CAA start disintegrating (already grumbling about their drop in stature, mediocre performance). But there is no pressing need, and Belmont has shown no interest in moving, making this moot.

There is no big pot of gold for schools moving at this level. So there wont be a panic scramble. I predict it get pretty quiet again.

It would probably take something along the lines of being a necessity for the conference to survive for the SoCon to welcome Elon back. There were a lot of bridges burned when they made their move.

Oh that bridge is burnt beyond repair, I'd say.

(01-26-2021 05:45 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-26-2021 04:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-26-2021 02:57 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think you will see any great collapse of the OVC or for that matter any change in the SoCon lineup. It's possible, even probable, the OVC loses Austin Peay to the ASUN in the few years. But I think it's less likely Murray State moves, as they are basketball centric, and so long as Belmont and Morehead State are around they will stay put. Belmont seems quite happy where they are, and seeing two schools that wanted to emphasize FB over basketball leave, probably doesn't bother them one bit. The Tennessee schools seem solid --TSU even turned down the SWAC-- and there is not sign of interest out there for the likes of SIU-E, Morehead or SEMO.

The SoCon is up the food chain from the likes of the ASUN, OVC and Big South. They might very well like Belmont and perhaps would be interested in Elon should the CAA start disintegrating (already grumbling about their drop in stature, mediocre performance). But there is no pressing need, and Belmont has shown no interest in moving, making this moot.

There is no big pot of gold for schools moving at this level. So there wont be a panic scramble. I predict it get pretty quiet again.

It would probably take something along the lines of being a necessity for the conference to survive for the SoCon to welcome Elon back. There were a lot of bridges burned when they made their move.

Oh that bridge is burnt beyond repair, I'd say.

Maybe.....but if the choices were the SoCon folding or adding Elon I imagine they would begrudgingly add Elon.

But it would only be after exhausting every other probable scenario up to and including adding Charleston Southern and Presbyterian.

CofC would have a little better luck. Only a little, but it's still better than Elon.

I guess. Campbell, High Point, and Gardner-Webb to backfill for any loss of privates and UNCA, Radford and NCA&T would happily swoop in for a loss of a public

Elon is so far out of the picture I just can't see it.

New ASUN map for 2021...

(01-26-2021 06:42 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote: [ -> ]I guess. Campbell, High Point, and Gardner-Webb to backfill for any loss of privates and UNCA, Radford and NCA&T would happily swoop in for a loss of a public

Elon is so far out of the picture I just can't see it.

Id say Campbell would be the top pick of they needed a football school

(01-26-2021 07:10 PM)WesternSkillet Wrote: [ -> ]New ASUN map for 2021...

UNF would really help bridge the big gap in that map

(01-26-2021 08:59 PM)solohawks Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-26-2021 07:10 PM)WesternSkillet Wrote: [ -> ]New ASUN map for 2021...

UNF would really help bridge the big gap in that map

UNF is there, what are you talking about?

(01-26-2021 11:06 PM)lion1983 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-26-2021 08:59 PM)solohawks Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-26-2021 07:10 PM)WesternSkillet Wrote: [ -> ]New ASUN map for 2021...

UNF would really help bridge the big gap in that map

UNF is there, what are you talking about?

Looking at the map, West Florida would be good, and since yall threw out names, (and I'm not saying they are at all in the real conversation) but Elon and Charleston Southern would be good for the map...

(01-26-2021 07:10 PM)WesternSkillet Wrote: [ -> ]New ASUN map for 2021...

Central Arkansas and Liberty stick out like sore thumbs.

(01-26-2021 11:08 PM)lion1983 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-26-2021 11:06 PM)lion1983 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-26-2021 08:59 PM)solohawks Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-26-2021 07:10 PM)WesternSkillet Wrote: [ -> ]New ASUN map for 2021...

UNF would really help bridge the big gap in that map

UNF is there, what are you talking about?

Looking at the map, West Florida would be good, and since yall threw out names, (and I'm not saying they are at all in the real conversation) but Elon and Charleston Southern would be good for the map...

Thats what I meant...my bad

(01-26-2021 11:11 PM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-26-2021 07:10 PM)WesternSkillet Wrote: [ -> ]New ASUN map for 2021...

Central Arkansas and Liberty stick out like sore thumbs.

No worse than any of the other college conferences with large footprints. It’s definitely a spread out league but it doesn’t look as bad on a map as I was thinking in my head.

I would go after North Carolina A&T instead of Elon. They already have an FBS stadium.

If Southeast Missouri State do not come? Could Lindenwood be interested from the Saint Louis market standpoint.

I would try and get Tennessee State in for all sports.

Youngstown State does want FBS.

As for all these movements? They are moving to be a better position. There are rumblings that the D1 could go 1A and 1AA for all sports. FBS could expand to be the best of all sports. I would not be surprise if schools like VCU, Dayton, Wichita State, Milwaukee, North Florida, Green Bay and others pull the trigger to add football and join FBS.

The reality is it doesn’t matter which conference Belmont and Lipscomb are in at their level. Only their coach matters. No conference at the bottom rung of D1 is going to give those two specifically a recruiting advantage.

I’m honestly pretty floored by EKU going to what I believe is a less sensible conference. It’s sad if they think that’s their ticket to FBS. If the Trans America and the new sub-WAC ever make it to FBS, then you better believe there’s a P5 split. Maybe that’s what they’re banking on.