(01-29-2021 01:20 PM)mrbig Wrote: [ -> ]I don't really have anything else to say on the great "slut" controversy of 2019-2021 (the range of times I think we have been having this discussion across different threads). But I'll say one more thing anyway, because really, why not?!?
Ham, your post #204 entirely misses the point I have tried to make. To me (and many others, including my wife since I had a couple discussions about it with her), the word "slut" is sexist and misogynistic on its own. It doesn't matter what the woman did against whom it is used. The instances of it being used either against a man or in a positive context are exceedingly rare. The word itself has power beyond its definition and against a broad spectrum of people other than the intended target. The implication is that a woman (not just the woman against whom it is hurled) with many sexual partners (or who is easy to have sex with) is bad/gross/whatever. There simply isn't an equivalent term for a man who does the same thing (and in fact many such men might be revered as a casanova, don juan, stud, ladies man, etc.).
I do not agree that racist, pedophile, misogynist, or rapist are in the same category of word. I do agree that each of those words is worse for the individual called that word (as compare to slut). But the discussion I have been trying to have isn't "which of these words is the worst to be called".
I think we're all in the 'why not' phase. I don't think I could disagree with you more though... nor could the women in MY life.
As I said, I don't think anyone supports stoning for sluts... I would support it for pedophiles or rapists... so I disagree with your contention. Being a slut isn't even a crime, but being a sexual predator is... and being labeled a racist (whether true or not) can cost you more than your dignity. Honest people can disagree.
I also think that while 'slut' can be a term of derision, it is/was often hurled against women by other women... whereas misogynistic men might actually see it as a quality to be sought. Amusingly I woke up in the middle of the night last night to 'Blast from the Past'... in the scenes where Eve and her gay house mate Troy were discussing 'Sophie' and the 'dancers'... who were both sluts AND female dogs... and Adam couldn't understand why Eve would say that about an unknown woman (based solely on her looks... 'she has 'witch' written all over her)... or why Troy would say that about Eve. As I said, growing up mostly with a gay uncle and a 2yrs older sister, I heard them use those words thousands of times more frequently than I ever heard my father do so. I don't think I've ever heard him do so, and as I said, I rarely if ever do myself. I remember girls calling my son one, with some affection I might add.
I'm not saying at all that Men don't do it... of course they do... sticking with movies, Jay and Silent Bob of course... I'm just challenging the idea that its solely or perhaps even mostly about men. As I said, my daughter said it about the girl who did the very thing we're discussing here. Yes, it's a terrible and degrading word... used by some to describe terrible and degrading acts by terrible people. The woman in question degraded my daughter and enabled a misogynist... but its not just a personal difference of opinion between us, but apparently supposed to be a cultural norm that people who use a bad word to describe her are actually the ones degrading 'women'?? If it weren't, we wouldn't need to go on for days about it. How is my daughter IN ANY WAY 'worse' towards the woman in specific or women in general than the woman who degrader her FIRST AND WORSE and enabled a misogynist putting OTHER women at risk of the same treatment? That's just impossible for me to wrap my head around.
I don't think I'm missing your point... but I think you're missing mine. I'm wondering where these challenges FROM YOUR SIDE, NOT NECESSARILY FROM ANY OF YOU to the use of horrible terms were when Trump was being labeled a racist or pedophile or even sexual predator by the very person being labeled a slut?
The left (again, not you but as a group) is using this same charge that labeling her a slut is misogyny... but had no problem with her labeling him a sexual predator... Seo he can be labeled without knowing details of his personal life... AND men in general can be labeled for labeling others. Remember when Trump was labeled for calling her a monster? So MONSTER is now 'worse' than 'sexual predator' to some as well?
It's a double standard that has NOTHING TO DO with your descriptions or personal positions, other than pointing out that such rules don't seem to apply to those on the left, but your values are co-opted by them for use against the right.
(01-29-2021 01:26 PM)mrbig Wrote: [ -> ]So the conservatives here can have some idea of what Qanon is and understand why there is no one "on the left" that is a Qanon believer.
From the BBC:
Quote:At its heart, QAnon is a wide-ranging, completely unfounded theory that says that President Trump is waging a secret war against elite Satan-worshipping paedophiles in government, business and the media.
QAnon believers have speculated that this fight will lead to a day of reckoning where prominent people such as former presidential candidate Hillary Clinton will be arrested and executed.
From the Wall Street Journal:
Quote:QAnon is a far right-wing, loosely organized network and community of believers who embrace a range of unsubstantiated beliefs. These views center on the idea that a cabal of Satan-worshipping pedophiles—mainly consisting of what they see as elitist Democrats, politicians, journalists, entertainment moguls and other institutional figures—have long controlled much of the so-called deep state government, which they say sought to undermine Mr. Trump, mostly with aid of media and entertainment outlets.
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QAnon conspiracy theory alleges that there is a battle between good and evil in which the Republican Mr. Trump is allied with the former. QAnon followers are awaiting two major events: the Storm and the Great Awakening. The Storm is the mass arrest of people in high-power positions who will face a long-awaited reckoning. The Great Awakening involves a single event in which everyone will attain the epiphany that QAnon theory was accurate the whole time. This realization will allow society to enter an age of utopia.
Thank you for the information...
I'll be honest.... fully acknowledging that you merely presented this.... this to me reads like the description a RABID right winger would give to a group like ANTIFA or BLM and I suspect those groups would deny their accuracy... and since they're so loosely organized (or to use my best recollection of words used in another context, more of a train of thought than an actual group) allowing someone to find a single nut case and apply his beliefs to an entire movement... PLENTY of people think Hillary should be arrested but don't believe for a second that there is a secret satan worshiping pedophelia group within the DNC... so someone could claim that someone espousing that hillary be investigated and arrested is part of this 'belief'....
I note that I wrote the above before clicking on your link.... and the next line in the BBC story is
[i]That's the basic story, but there are so many offshoots, detours and internal debates that the total list of QAnon claims is enormous - and often contradictory. /i] which is basically what I'm saying. It also presents the 'contradictions' that have caused me to all but ignore it. I fully admit there are such people... some of them are on the Memphis political board and they see me and my support for VOLUNTARY masks as a matter of courtesy like shirts and shoes making me a 'scared liberal hiding in my basement'.
That said, if like the Klan there is actually such a group and such people are actually being elected to public office, that to me only shows either how many uninformed voters there are (simply pulling an R or D) or how many people shouldn't be allowed to vote if we can find a way to do that 'fairly'. Not all of the far right guys on the Memphis board are that nuts... just a few of them.