(03-17-2020 10:10 AM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ]i was going to say this earlier but decided not to...
1) dooley has offered a ton of juco over the last 2 months, you guys are definitively going to make room..probably more than one
2) you recruit the best players possible, and push out the bottom..especially when you arent good..burton is better than the majority of your roster
The problem is you don't push him to the "bottom". He will want to play 30+ minutes at ECU. So our best players are clearly, Gardner, Newton and Suggs. You put him out there that's essentially one 3 point shooter in Newton and he's not even that great at it. He needs the ball not spotting up. There are no 3 point specialist out there and not much way to get one out there, which is our path to improving the most. He also has to sit out a year.
Quote:burton has too many offers for ecu to be realistic but my main point burton and newton arent remotely the same type of player in any context they are the exact opposite ..and it takes more than offense to win
Newton is 52 percentile on defense per Synergy "Good" Rating. He's the same as Quenton Grimes (54percentile) his freshman year when you thought he was Scottie Pippen and still not that far off now. (Grimes 69 Percentile on defense)
he's fine on defense, our issue is we have 347th rated 3 point shooting and Burton doesn't help that even if he's a great defender. We just need to find a talented 3 point shooter that is semi comparable talent wise to Burton because you can impact the game a lot more on offense especially an offense as terrible as we are at that one skill.
Quote:Burton isnt ball dominant like you insinuate, he mostly drives but its more of a catch and attack, than a constantly dribble kinda player, he is rarely holding on to the ball long..players like sherfield were the ball dominant ones on Wichita.
Burton 25.3% of his plays pick and roll ball handler. 23.9% transition, 20.7% spot up 7.3% Isolation.
Quote:newton is a high scoring player, not a great shooter now but can develop into one. he his more finesse than physical, not very "tough".. he is also a lazy defender and if he wasnt 6'5 would probably just be a bad defender..isnt good at sticking with shifty players on defense, often "just looking" in plays he could affect...his height allows him some recovery (can still contest shots without being close) and gives him some deflections
Yeah Newton certainly gets a hell of a lot of steals. See how you tried to explain that way....He's also a "good" defender per Synergy, not me.
Again
Newton is 52 percentile on defense per Synergy "Good" Rating. He's the same as Quenton Grimes 54 percentile his freshman year when you thought he was Scottie Pippen and still not that far off now. (Grimes 69 Percentile this year)
Just like you told me Grimes would be the 6th best player in the AAC preseason after what you saw last year and that's obviously not remotely true. He sucked in conference especially. More like 6th man on your team, maybe worse in conference. $hit on Newton's defense though with your "opinions".
(03-17-2020 10:56 AM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2020 10:10 AM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ]i was going to say this earlier but decided not to...
1) dooley has offered a ton of juco over the last 2 months, you guys are definitively going to make room..probably more than one
2) you recruit the best players possible, and push out the bottom..especially when you arent good..burton is better than the majority of your roster
The problem is you don't push him to the "bottom". He will want to play 30+ minutes at ECU. So our best players are clearly, Gardner, Newton and Suggs. You put him out there that's essentially one 3 point shooter in Newton and he's not even that great at it. He needs the ball not spotting up. There are no 3 point specialist out there if you do that which is our path to improving the most. He also has to sit out a year.
Quote:burton has too many offers for ecu to be realistic but my main point burton and newton arent remotely the same type of player in any context they are the exact opposite ..and it takes more than offense to win
Newton is 52 percentile on defense per Synergy "Good" Rating. He's the same as Quenton Grimes 54percentile his freshman year when you though he was Scottie Pippen and still not that far off now. (Grimes 69 Percentile this year)
he's fine on defense, our issue is we have 347th rated 3 point shooting and Burton doesn't help that. We just need to find a talented 3 point shooter that is semi comparable talent wise to Burton because you can impact the game a lot more on offense especially an offense as terrible as we are at that one skill.
Quote:Burton isnt ball dominant like you insinuate, he mostly drives but its more of a catch and attack, than a constantly dribble kinda player, he is rarely holding on to the ball long..players like sherfield were the ball dominant ones on Wichita.
Burton 25.3% of his plays pick and roll ball handler. 23.9 transition, 20.7 spot up 7.3 Isolation
Quote:newton is a high scoring player, not a great shooter now but can develop into one. he his more finesse than physical, not very "tough".. he is also a lazy defender and if he wasnt 6'5 would probably just be a bad defender..isnt good at sticking with shifty players on defense, often "just looking" in plays he could affect...his height allows him some recovery (can still contest shots without being close) and gives him some deflections
Again
Newton is 52 percentile on defense per Synergy "Good" Rating. He's the same as Quenton Grimes 54 percentile his freshman year when you thought he was Scottie Pippen and still not that far off now. (Grimes 69 Percentile this year)
Just like you told me Grimes would be the 6th best player in the AAC. LOL
newton isnt good on defense..put up any film on ecu this year and watch it ..the entire basis of his defense is that he is tall, not effort or technique...he struggles to stay infront of defenders, and barely tries if the player isnt directly infront of him ..literally google any game film you have on ecu, its obvious in every single one..i said grimes was good on defense because of the film and his coaches said he was
you literally just gave up 94 points in regulation to one of the worst aac teams //the ucf player that scored the most was a true freshmen...the person guarding him most of the game was newton!!
jj miles (your best defender), suggs, newton, gardener, an coleman...ecu is a bad defensive team..who is the reason why?? they all cant be good on defense..we have few offensive centers in the aac, so it cant be coleman..
burton isnt ball dominant..not sure what your point is with his shot percentages, from the stats you put up he is barely in iso, so not sure how that helps...he is catch and attack, whether on a pick and roll or baseline..he is rarely out there just dribbling
and grimes was the betting favorite for POY when non-conference ended...he had a bad hip pointer injury in conference and got shy...but went back to dominant when he healed up
there have been like a dozen houston final 4 takes on houston next season based around "if grimes comes back"..his play wasnt consistent but grimes is a top 5 player in the conference...even though he was "trash" LOL
Whatever dude. All this $hit is trivial, I got more on my mind and I come here for an escape not to argue with people like you. Believe whatever you want or take it up with Synergy if you want to argue about what you "see" vs what they saw. Anyone that thinks Grimes was POY material this year speaks for itself.
(03-17-2020 11:40 AM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ]Whatever dude. All this $hit is trivial, I got more on my mind and I come here for an escape not to argue with people like you. Believe whatever you want or take it up with Synergy if you want to argue about what you "see" vs what they saw. Anyone that thinks Grimes was POY material this year speaks for itself.
Grimes didn't have an all-conference type season, anyone saying he did, didn't watch enough non-UH games. However, the kid was pretty banged up all season. Injuries are part of the game but a few nagging ones can really hamper a players performance (i.e Jarron Cumberland). Grimes showed his potential numerous times this season. If you watched the 2nd half of the UH-Memphis game you'd know what we're talking about. If the kid gets healthy (which may be a big if, some players are injury prone) and comes back, we could have a special team next season.
(03-17-2020 01:08 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2020 11:40 AM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ]Whatever dude. All this $hit is trivial, I got more on my mind and I come here for an escape not to argue with people like you. Believe whatever you want or take it up with Synergy if you want to argue about what you "see" vs what they saw. Anyone that thinks Grimes was POY material this year speaks for itself.
Grimes didn't have an all-conference type season, anyone saying he did, didn't watch enough non-UH games. However, the kid was pretty banged up all season. Injuries are part of the game but a few nagging ones can really hamper a players performance (i.e Jarron Cumberland). Grimes showed his potential numerous times this season. If you watched the 2nd half of the UH-Memphis game you'd know what we're talking about. If the kid gets healthy (which may be a big if, some players are injury prone) and comes back, we could have a special team next season.
His stats per possession weren't even in the top 30 overall in the AAC and he was worse in conference play only on top of that. The guy got benched at the start of conference, sucking so bad, and had a 13.3 PER in conference play and a 16.8 PER overall. Obviously these are not standout statistics and that's the enitre conference portion and overall season, not coachspeak about a single game or a half.
It is what it is in the aggregate and anyone can look at a good game here or there. Even scrubs have good games. What matters is how many of those big games you have and consistency. You don't have to tell me he's not the 6th best player in the AAC. He was like the 6th best player on your team per the actual per possession statistics, worse in conference only infact. Even Houston fans were saying get him off the court at one point in the season. There are plenty of other guys actually producing on your team you could rep for that really deserve it or are overlooked but this guy gets way to much hype for what he actually does.
His stats in the aggregate were never really good at any point in the season. He had to drag them back to even get to a decent level after getting benched in conference if you even call 13.3 PER, .516 true shooting and 9.8ppg decent. All the advanced were below average infact.
(03-17-2020 08:43 PM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2020 01:08 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2020 11:40 AM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ]Whatever dude. All this $hit is trivial, I got more on my mind and I come here for an escape not to argue with people like you. Believe whatever you want or take it up with Synergy if you want to argue about what you "see" vs what they saw. Anyone that thinks Grimes was POY material this year speaks for itself.
Grimes didn't have an all-conference type season, anyone saying he did, didn't watch enough non-UH games. However, the kid was pretty banged up all season. Injuries are part of the game but a few nagging ones can really hamper a players performance (i.e Jarron Cumberland). Grimes showed his potential numerous times this season. If you watched the 2nd half of the UH-Memphis game you'd know what we're talking about. If the kid gets healthy (which may be a big if, some players are injury prone) and comes back, we could have a special team next season.
His stats per possession weren't even in the top 30 overall in the AAC and he was worse in conference play only on top of that. The guy literally got benched at the start of conference play for sucking, and had a 13.3 PER in conference play and a 16.8 PER overall. Obviously these are not standout statistics and that's the enitre conference portion and overall season, not coachspeak about a single game or a half.
It is what it is in the aggregate and anyone can look at a good game here or there. Even scrubs have good games. What matters is how many of those big games you have to add up or consistency. You don't have to tell me he's not the 6th best player in the AAC. He was like the 6th best player on your team per the actual per possession statistics, worse in conference only infact. Even Houston fans were saying get him off the court at one point in the season. There are plenty of other guys actually producing on your team you could rep for that really deserve it or are overlooked but this guy gets way to much hype for what he actually does.
His stats in the aggregate were never really good at any point in the season. He had to drag them back to even get to a decent level after getting benched in conference if you even call 13.3 PER, .516 true shooting and 9.8ppg decent. All the advanced were below average infact.
Amazing that someone can say so little with so many words. Kid is an elite talent. Even battling through injuries he was good enough to start for a top 25 team. If he comes back and gets healthy, watch out.
(03-17-2020 09:08 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2020 08:43 PM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2020 01:08 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2020 11:40 AM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ]Whatever dude. All this $hit is trivial, I got more on my mind and I come here for an escape not to argue with people like you. Believe whatever you want or take it up with Synergy if you want to argue about what you "see" vs what they saw. Anyone that thinks Grimes was POY material this year speaks for itself.
Grimes didn't have an all-conference type season, anyone saying he did, didn't watch enough non-UH games. However, the kid was pretty banged up all season. Injuries are part of the game but a few nagging ones can really hamper a players performance (i.e Jarron Cumberland). Grimes showed his potential numerous times this season. If you watched the 2nd half of the UH-Memphis game you'd know what we're talking about. If the kid gets healthy (which may be a big if, some players are injury prone) and comes back, we could have a special team next season.
His stats per possession weren't even in the top 30 overall in the AAC and he was worse in conference play only on top of that. The guy literally got benched at the start of conference play for sucking, and had a 13.3 PER in conference play and a 16.8 PER overall. Obviously these are not standout statistics and that's the enitre conference portion and overall season, not coachspeak about a single game or a half.
It is what it is in the aggregate and anyone can look at a good game here or there. Even scrubs have good games. What matters is how many of those big games you have to add up or consistency. You don't have to tell me he's not the 6th best player in the AAC. He was like the 6th best player on your team per the actual per possession statistics, worse in conference only infact. Even Houston fans were saying get him off the court at one point in the season. There are plenty of other guys actually producing on your team you could rep for that really deserve it or are overlooked but this guy gets way to much hype for what he actually does.
His stats in the aggregate were never really good at any point in the season. He had to drag them back to even get to a decent level after getting benched in conference if you even call 13.3 PER, .516 true shooting and 9.8ppg decent. All the advanced were below average infact.
Amazing that someone can say so little with so many words. Kid is an elite talent. Even battling through injuries he was good enough to start for a top 25 team. If he comes back and gets healthy, watch out.
Excuses man. What was his excuse for sucking last year? The guys never had good stats, even in your summer games his stats sucked, turnover machine, low shooting percentages etc. It' would be one thing if you said he's a solid player but you got people doubling down saying he was POY year material THIS YEAR with zero to back that up. The opposite infact, all the tangible stats say he wasn't good at all especially in conference play which sucked, which is where these same people hold up as the standard to anyone else.
If the guy is playing he must be deemed healthy so stop using that excuse when there is almost no streach of season in 2 overall seasons now he was even standout anywhere. Go hype Hinton or Harris or someone that actually deserves it, not what should be your 6th man in actual tangible stats. Even your coach benched him at one point. So hurt he missed ONE game all year and it was late. Lame excuses.
(03-17-2020 08:43 PM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2020 01:08 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2020 11:40 AM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ]Whatever dude. All this $hit is trivial, I got more on my mind and I come here for an escape not to argue with people like you. Believe whatever you want or take it up with Synergy if you want to argue about what you "see" vs what they saw. Anyone that thinks Grimes was POY material this year speaks for itself.
Grimes didn't have an all-conference type season, anyone saying he did, didn't watch enough non-UH games. However, the kid was pretty banged up all season. Injuries are part of the game but a few nagging ones can really hamper a players performance (i.e Jarron Cumberland). Grimes showed his potential numerous times this season. If you watched the 2nd half of the UH-Memphis game you'd know what we're talking about. If the kid gets healthy (which may be a big if, some players are injury prone) and comes back, we could have a special team next season.
His stats per possession weren't even in the top 30 overall in the AAC and he was worse in conference play only on top of that. The guy literally got benched at the start of conference play for sucking, and had a 13.3 PER in conference play and a 16.8 PER overall. Obviously these are not standout statistics and that's the enitre conference portion and overall season, not coachspeak about a single game or a half.
It is what it is in the aggregate and anyone can look at a good game here or there. Even scrubs have good games. What matters is how many of those big games you have to add up or consistency. You don't have to tell me he's not the 6th best player in the AAC. He was like the 6th best player on your team per the actual per possession statistics, worse in conference only infact. Even Houston fans were saying get him off the court at one point in the season. There are plenty of other guys actually producing on your team you could rep for that really deserve it or are overlooked but this guy gets way to much hype for what he actually does on the court.
lmao you dont watch houston at all....sampson switches the starting line up after every loss for superstitious reason ..he said all 5 guards (hinton, grimes, sasser, mills, dejon) are starters ..the official label means nothing..mills has the least starts amoung all the guards..im guess he sucks too (aka 2nd team all-conference as a freshman..something your beloved gardner didnt even do)...lol in interview as early as 2 weeks ago sampson said grimes is going to be special and will be dominant
houston fans have never said get him off the court, ever..its the opposite..when he got injured, he stopped taking shots.. our complaint was why the hell did he stop shooting and driving .. is twitter feed is literally houston fans beggin him to stay 1 more year
him battling with his injury is in the second clip..he kept reagrrivating a hip pointer injury in conference games
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also here is
newton playing defense (a 1min clip)
https://streamable.com/umpjv
this is what i mean by lazy defense..
----he is a horrid off-ball defender..ALWAYS sags to the post and watchs even if the person he is guarding is a shooter, or top scorer off ball..that creates open shoots, or with ball movement open shots for other
--- he is a barely passable on-ball defender and that is because he is tall..he'd be a horrid defender if he was 6'1..cant stay in-front of defenders and gives too much space..his height allows him some recovery for the space
here is a definition of
"good defense"..we are using sasser and grimes (2:30 min clip)..since those are the 2 you "think" are below newton...
--1st 1:25 is sasser (mostly vs pac12 player of the year payton pritchard)...
--at 1:25 the next 1min is grimes vs top aac scorers/pritacrd/tj haws
-- 2:30 is showing you that grimes was battling with a hip injury all conference season
https://streamable.com/e001a
grimes feet are abnormal quick for someone his height and weight, even thou his arms arent the longest
(03-17-2020 09:27 PM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ]Excuses man. What was his excuse for sucking last year? The guys never had good stats, even in your summer games his stats sucked, turnover machine, low shooting percentages etc. It' would be one thing if you said he's a solid player but you got people doubling down saying he was POY year material THIS YEAR with zero to back that up. The opposite infact, all the tangible stats say he wasn't good at all especially in conference play which sucked, which is where these same people hold up as the standard to anyone else.
literally
no one said he'd be player of the year at any point this year...preseason we had wiseman in the conference...WISEMAN...
but vegas, not anyone here..VEGAS...had him as the betting favorite to win POY after non-conference ended... because of what he did in the non-conference..no hype, what he did in actual games
you said he was trash like 300x ...a horrible take that you till this day have never back down from
(03-17-2020 09:27 PM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2020 09:08 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2020 08:43 PM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2020 01:08 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2020 11:40 AM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ]Whatever dude. All this $hit is trivial, I got more on my mind and I come here for an escape not to argue with people like you. Believe whatever you want or take it up with Synergy if you want to argue about what you "see" vs what they saw. Anyone that thinks Grimes was POY material this year speaks for itself.
Grimes didn't have an all-conference type season, anyone saying he did, didn't watch enough non-UH games. However, the kid was pretty banged up all season. Injuries are part of the game but a few nagging ones can really hamper a players performance (i.e Jarron Cumberland). Grimes showed his potential numerous times this season. If you watched the 2nd half of the UH-Memphis game you'd know what we're talking about. If the kid gets healthy (which may be a big if, some players are injury prone) and comes back, we could have a special team next season.
His stats per possession weren't even in the top 30 overall in the AAC and he was worse in conference play only on top of that. The guy literally got benched at the start of conference play for sucking, and had a 13.3 PER in conference play and a 16.8 PER overall. Obviously these are not standout statistics and that's the enitre conference portion and overall season, not coachspeak about a single game or a half.
It is what it is in the aggregate and anyone can look at a good game here or there. Even scrubs have good games. What matters is how many of those big games you have to add up or consistency. You don't have to tell me he's not the 6th best player in the AAC. He was like the 6th best player on your team per the actual per possession statistics, worse in conference only infact. Even Houston fans were saying get him off the court at one point in the season. There are plenty of other guys actually producing on your team you could rep for that really deserve it or are overlooked but this guy gets way to much hype for what he actually does.
His stats in the aggregate were never really good at any point in the season. He had to drag them back to even get to a decent level after getting benched in conference if you even call 13.3 PER, .516 true shooting and 9.8ppg decent. All the advanced were below average infact.
Amazing that someone can say so little with so many words. Kid is an elite talent. Even battling through injuries he was good enough to start for a top 25 team. If he comes back and gets healthy, watch out.
Excuses man. What was his excuse for sucking last year? The guys never had good stats, even in your summer games his stats sucked, turnover machine, low shooting percentages etc. It' would be one thing if you said he's a solid player but you got people doubling down saying he was POY year material THIS YEAR with zero to back that up. The opposite infact, all the tangible stats say he wasn't good at all especially in conference play which sucked, which is where these same people hold up as the standard to anyone else.
If the guy is playing he must be deemed healthy so stop using that excuse when there is almost no streach of season in 2 overall seasons now he was even standout anywhere. Go hype Hinton or Harris or someone that actually deserves it, not what should be your 6th man in actual tangible stats. Even your coach benched him at one point. So hurt he missed ONE game all year and it was late. Lame excuses.
What's ECU's excuse for sucking every single year of its existence?
(03-17-2020 09:33 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2020 09:27 PM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ]Excuses man. What was his excuse for sucking last year? The guys never had good stats, even in your summer games his stats sucked, turnover machine, low shooting percentages etc. It' would be one thing if you said he's a solid player but you got people doubling down saying he was POY year material THIS YEAR with zero to back that up. The opposite infact, all the tangible stats say he wasn't good at all especially in conference play which sucked, which is where these same people hold up as the standard to anyone else.
literally no one said he'd be player of the year at any point this year...preseason we had wiseman in the conference...WISEMAN...
but vegas, not anyone here..VEGAS...had him as the betting favorite to win POY after non-conference ended... because of what he did in the non-conference..no hype, what he did in actual games
you said he was trash like 300x ...a horrible take that you till this day have never back down from
I said he was trash at Kansas and he was that's a statistical fact. I then said he'd probably have about a 15 PER this year which is the college average, in the AAC considering a year of improvement and slight drop in competition and he had a 16.8 ranked #32 in the AAC overall for the season, and that was with a significantly worse conference only season where he wasn't even average. For any other player you hold that as the most important part. You however had him ranked 6th best player in the preseason in the conferernce. I was certainly closer by the actual measerables. 6th best player in the AAC this year... Come on man, he was like 6th on your team. That's just the tangible stats, I don't make them up, it is what it is. Your coach benched him he was so bad at one point this year and your fans wanted to see him benched just like Kansas fans last year. At some point he is who he is. Celebrate the players actually producing, you have some.
(03-17-2020 09:47 PM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2020 09:33 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2020 09:27 PM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ]Excuses man. What was his excuse for sucking last year? The guys never had good stats, even in your summer games his stats sucked, turnover machine, low shooting percentages etc. It' would be one thing if you said he's a solid player but you got people doubling down saying he was POY year material THIS YEAR with zero to back that up. The opposite infact, all the tangible stats say he wasn't good at all especially in conference play which sucked, which is where these same people hold up as the standard to anyone else.
literally no one said he'd be player of the year at any point this year...preseason we had wiseman in the conference...WISEMAN...
but vegas, not anyone here..VEGAS...had him as the betting favorite to win POY after non-conference ended... because of what he did in the non-conference..no hype, what he did in actual games
you said he was trash like 300x ...a horrible take that you till this day have never back down from
I said he was trash at Kansas and he was that's a statistical fact. I then said he'd probably have about a 15 PER this year which is the college average, in the AAC considering a year of improvement and slight drop in competition and he had a 16.8 ranked #32 in the AAC overall for the season, and that was with a significantly worse conference only season where he wasn't even average for any other player you hold as the most important part. You however had him ranked 6th best player in the preseason in the conferernce. I was certainly closer by the actual measerables. 6th best player this year... Come on man, he was like 6th on your team. That's just the tangible stats, I don't make them up. Your coach benched him he was so bad at one point this year.
Did you read anything he said?
A healthy Grimes will be a First Team All-AAC member next season and in the running for AAC POY.
(03-17-2020 09:47 PM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2020 09:33 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2020 09:27 PM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ]Excuses man. What was his excuse for sucking last year? The guys never had good stats, even in your summer games his stats sucked, turnover machine, low shooting percentages etc. It' would be one thing if you said he's a solid player but you got people doubling down saying he was POY year material THIS YEAR with zero to back that up. The opposite infact, all the tangible stats say he wasn't good at all especially in conference play which sucked, which is where these same people hold up as the standard to anyone else.
literally no one said he'd be player of the year at any point this year...preseason we had wiseman in the conference...WISEMAN...
but vegas, not anyone here..VEGAS...had him as the betting favorite to win POY after non-conference ended... because of what he did in the non-conference..no hype, what he did in actual games
you said he was trash like 300x ...a horrible take that you till this day have never back down from
I said he was trash at Kansas and he was that's a statistical fact. I then said he'd probably have about a 15 PER this year which is the college average, in the AAC considering a year of improvement and slight drop in competition and he had a 16.8 ranked #32 in the AAC overall for the season, and that was with a significantly worse conference only season where he wasn't even average for any other player you hold as the most important part. You however had him ranked 6th best player in the preseason in the conferernce. I was certainly closer by the actual measerables. 6th best player this year... Come on man, he was like 6th on your team. That's just the tangible stats, I don't make them up.
he was the 2nd best scorer (after mills) 2nd best defender (after hinton) and 2nd best passer (after dejon)....on the team that was comfortably better than the rest of the conference...easily the most complete player we had
he started every single game on a top 15 team...he did not suck at kansas by any measure, if you want ot argue he didnt live up to "5star" thats a differnet argument...and you said he'd be trash this year too (you never said anything about a 15 PER)..this whole convo started when houston fans were hyped about getting grimes....and you said he was trash and will be trash (unprovoked) and i said he was good on defense and at worst case for houston he'll just be a great defender for us, but the potential for offense is there..you said he wasnt good on defense (which wasnt remotely true if you watched the film) and trying to justify him being trash
and non conference didnt magically disappear and we didnt play cupcakes like ecu..you dont make the tournament with just aac play...grimes was great if we are talking a full season context before his hip injury
frank martin south carolinas coach (elite defensive coach)- there was nothing we could do to stop grimes , he wasnt even using screens he was just owning us and getting to the post at will
(around 5 min mark) --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBCns2Hn1hA&t=388s
gtech's pastner- the difference in this game is that they had grimes and we didnt
penny- this is what he does, he is a mcdonalds all-american..and he did what he does
sampson- there are quite a few games we do not win without grimes ..
i dont care abut your player evlautions...but sure
ps id vote grimes top 6 again..houston fans are talking final 4 potential with him and not without him...but you think we are down on him????????
(03-16-2020 05:15 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-16-2020 04:50 PM)invisiblehand Wrote: [ -> ]To be fair to Wichita, it's only 3 that are significant contributors. Add in Echenique to graduation, and they're really only looking to grab 4 starting level players.
It may not be done. But if Etienne and Dex are coming back for sure... All is not lost. Just won't be postseason level without some quality transfers. We still are likely bottom half in the league though.
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(03-17-2020 01:14 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2020 11:40 AM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2020 11:36 AM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ]
Whatever dude. All this $hit is trivial, I got more on my mind and I come here for an escape not to argue with people like you. Believe whatever you want or take it up with Synergy if you want to argue about what you "see" vs what they saw. Anyone that thinks Grimes was POY material this year speaks for itself.
lmao
so, you're using the words of little penny, who hasn't exactly set the world on fire at the teacher's college, to prop up a guy who,from what I've seen, seems to disappear a lot of the time - yeah, keep riding your happy, little UH merry go round - maybe UH, in your honor, could change their mascot from the cougar - not sure what exactly it would look like, but i have a few ideas
(03-16-2020 03:48 PM)Joprior23 Wrote: [ -> ]Probably not the best offseason for this to happen to Wichita. And more could be coming? My goodness.
Marshall appears to be a great frontrunner. Everything's great when you are winning 30 games a year in the Valley.
But when things get hard and losses mount, he becomes extremely difficult to play for.
(03-18-2020 04:23 AM)dave108 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2020 01:14 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2020 11:40 AM)StillJonesing Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2020 11:36 AM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ]
Whatever dude. All this $hit is trivial, I got more on my mind and I come here for an escape not to argue with people like you. Believe whatever you want or take it up with Synergy if you want to argue about what you "see" vs what they saw. Anyone that thinks Grimes was POY material this year speaks for itself.
lmao
so, you're using the words of little penny, who hasn't exactly set the world on fire at the teacher's college, to prop up a guy who,from what I've seen, seems to disappear a lot of the time - yeah, keep riding your happy, little UH merry go round - maybe UH, in your honor, could change their mascot from the cougar - not sure what exactly it would look like, but i have a few ideas
What else has he got man, it's always some coach speak from a guy that's played him in one or 2 games where he might have been good out of 30 and lets ignore where sucked a bunch of other times in the aggregate like that tells you anything, or like Penny is the authority anyway.
Grimes had a 13.3 PER and .516 True Shooting in conference which isn't even like top 50 in AAC play, which he holds up as the standard for anyone else. It was 8th best on Houston's team alone. 8th. You'd think if the guy was so amazing he would have a minimum standard of excellence showing through in the actual stats over the course of the season like every other agreed upon star in this league, or even on his own team like Hinton or Harris. He doesn't, that's just the facts. I'm done with this, stay safe guys.