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(12-15-2021 07:43 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-15-2021 07:37 PM)InterestedX Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-15-2021 06:40 PM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ]How would you solve the problem of under-representation? Just leave it as-is?

Easy. They don't think it's a problem!

Because, explicitly from you, those who think different are simply (explicit and implicit, or casual and active, or something to that effect) racists as one of your specific go-tos, if I remember correctly.

And, its statements like you have made here like that explicitly that have led some of us to the 'just zip it' stage.

When people's knee jerk reaction to any opinion difference is in line with that response of yours that I am referring to above, it doesnt tend to help with the issue no matter how good that vent mode makes you feel better.

For those who don’t think conservative victimhood is alive and well, I present to you Exhibit A.

I have no idea how Interested’s post is twisted into EXPLICITLY calling someone a racist. Or how it can be extended to saying that people who think differently are racist.

Seriously, the liberals on this board are typecasted as stereotypical progressives from the conservative point of view far more than the conservatives here are typecasted as stereotypical right wingers from the liberal point of view.

(12-15-2021 08:07 PM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ]Here you go, Tanq... doctors in general:

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/...an-doctors

- The percentage of U.S. doctors who are Black has barely risen in the past 120 years, and there's still a wide pay gap between white and Black physicians, a new study finds.

- In 1900, almost 12% of the U.S. population was Black, but only 1.3% of physicians were Black. In 1940, nearly 10% of the population was Black, but less than 3% of physicians were Black. Of those, 2.7% were men and 0.1% were women, the study found.

In 2018, about 13% of the U.S. population was Black, but only 5.4% of physicians were Black. Of those 2.6% were men and 2.8% were women.

While the percentage of Black women physicians increased almost 3 percentage points between 1940 and 2018, the proportion of physicians who are Black men remained essentially unchanged in that time, according to the study.

'Unchanged'? it looks like the proportion increased substantially in that time.

edited to add: a .3 reflective rate in 1940, to a .41 reflective rate over that time. Roughly a 33% increase in that effective rate.

Now, to your construct on 'proportion of doctors to population rate' issue:

From the US census:
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/t.../PST045219

White alone, percent 76.3%
Black or African American alone, percent(a) 13.4%
American Indian and Alaska Native alone, percent(a) 1.3%
Asian alone, percent(a) 5.9%
Hispanic 18.5%

From this site https://www.aamc.org/data-reports/workfo...icity-2018 (Association of American Medical Colleges)

% race in doctors

White 56.2%
Asian 17.1%
Unknown 13.7%
Hispanic 5.8%
Black 5.0%
Other 1.8%

Looks like us crackers need their own support groups to fight that evil racism that is borne out against us by the numbers above. Underrepresentation by 30% or so by US race weight.

Better jump on that cause asap there 93. Looks like my jesting about a 'White pre-med society' is rather more serious than I thought.

(12-15-2021 08:24 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-15-2021 07:43 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-15-2021 07:37 PM)InterestedX Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-15-2021 06:40 PM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ]How would you solve the problem of under-representation? Just leave it as-is?

Easy. They don't think it's a problem!

Because, explicitly from you, those who think different are simply (explicit and implicit, or casual and active, or something to that effect) racists as one of your specific go-tos, if I remember correctly.

And, its statements like you have made here like that explicitly that have led some of us to the 'just zip it' stage.

When people's knee jerk reaction to any opinion difference is in line with that response of yours that I am referring to above, it doesnt tend to help with the issue no matter how good that vent mode makes you feel better.

For those who don’t think conservative victimhood is alive and well, I present to you Exhibit A.

I have no idea how Interested’s post is twisted into EXPLICITLY calling someone a racist. Or how it can be extended to saying that people who think differently are racist.

Seriously, the liberals on this board are typecasted as stereotypical progressives from the conservative point of view far more than the conservatives here are typecasted as stereotypical right wingers from the liberal point of view.

Interested, maybe two months ago, explicitly defined Repubs as something or other and something or other 'racists'. I am merely recalling that explicit post from him at that time -- not trying to denote this current drive bay as that.

I should have been more explicit in my comment I can see.

(12-15-2021 08:34 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-15-2021 08:07 PM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ]Here you go, Tanq... doctors in general:

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/...an-doctors

- The percentage of U.S. doctors who are Black has barely risen in the past 120 years, and there's still a wide pay gap between white and Black physicians, a new study finds.

- In 1900, almost 12% of the U.S. population was Black, but only 1.3% of physicians were Black. In 1940, nearly 10% of the population was Black, but less than 3% of physicians were Black. Of those, 2.7% were men and 0.1% were women, the study found.

In 2018, about 13% of the U.S. population was Black, but only 5.4% of physicians were Black. Of those 2.6% were men and 2.8% were women.

While the percentage of Black women physicians increased almost 3 percentage points between 1940 and 2018, the proportion of physicians who are Black men remained essentially unchanged in that time, according to the study.

'Unchanged'? it looks like the proportion increased substantially in that time.

edited to add: a .3 reflective rate in 1940, to a .41 reflective rate over that time. Roughly a 33% increase in that effective rate.

Now, to your construct on 'proportion of doctors to population rate' issue:

From the US census:
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/t.../PST045219

White alone, percent 76.3%
Black or African American alone, percent(a) 13.4%
American Indian and Alaska Native alone, percent(a) 1.3%
Asian alone, percent(a) 5.9%
Hispanic 18.5%

From this site https://www.aamc.org/data-reports/workfo...icity-2018 (Association of American Medical Colleges)

% race in doctors

White 56.2%
Asian 17.1%
Unknown 13.7%
Hispanic 5.8%
Black 5.0%
Other 1.8%

Looks like us crackers need their own support groups to fight that evil racism that is borne out against us by the numbers above. Underrepresentation by 30% or so by US race weight.

Maybe so. Do you think it's racism at play for an explanation regarding the % of white doctors relative to their % of the US population?

Please note that I haven't stated that racism is the source of under-representation of POC/women in these various professions.

Quote:Better jump on that cause asap there 93. Looks like my jesting about a 'White pre-med society' is rather more serious than I thought.

By "jump on the cause" are you referring to my *checks notes*... support of groups that match minority students with minority mentors? Man... I am such a zealot!!!

(12-15-2021 09:26 PM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-15-2021 08:34 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-15-2021 08:07 PM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ]Here you go, Tanq... doctors in general:

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/...an-doctors

- The percentage of U.S. doctors who are Black has barely risen in the past 120 years, and there's still a wide pay gap between white and Black physicians, a new study finds.

- In 1900, almost 12% of the U.S. population was Black, but only 1.3% of physicians were Black. In 1940, nearly 10% of the population was Black, but less than 3% of physicians were Black. Of those, 2.7% were men and 0.1% were women, the study found.

In 2018, about 13% of the U.S. population was Black, but only 5.4% of physicians were Black. Of those 2.6% were men and 2.8% were women.

While the percentage of Black women physicians increased almost 3 percentage points between 1940 and 2018, the proportion of physicians who are Black men remained essentially unchanged in that time, according to the study.

'Unchanged'? it looks like the proportion increased substantially in that time.

edited to add: a .3 reflective rate in 1940, to a .41 reflective rate over that time. Roughly a 33% increase in that effective rate.

Now, to your construct on 'proportion of doctors to population rate' issue:

From the US census:
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/t.../PST045219

White alone, percent 76.3%
Black or African American alone, percent(a) 13.4%
American Indian and Alaska Native alone, percent(a) 1.3%
Asian alone, percent(a) 5.9%
Hispanic 18.5%

From this site https://www.aamc.org/data-reports/workfo...icity-2018 (Association of American Medical Colleges)

% race in doctors

White 56.2%
Asian 17.1%
Unknown 13.7%
Hispanic 5.8%
Black 5.0%
Other 1.8%

Looks like us crackers need their own support groups to fight that evil racism that is borne out against us by the numbers above. Underrepresentation by 30% or so by US race weight.

Maybe so. Do you think it's racism at play for an explanation regarding the % of white doctors relative to their % of the US population?

I do not. But according to your rationale, any significant deviation from population ratios is cause for serious alarm.

Quote:Please note that I haven't stated that racism is the source of under-representation of POC/women in these various professions.

Then perhaps please state for us what you think it is. I would be interested in noting what you think is the source of this very serious underrepresentation issue.

Quote:

Quote:Better jump on that cause asap there 93. Looks like my jesting about a 'White pre-med society' is rather more serious than I thought.

By "jump on the cause" are you referring to my *checks notes*... support of groups that match minority students with minority mentors? Man... I am such a zealot!!!

The cause is raising the battle flag for deviations from population ratios in professions. And the immediate rally cry to do SOMETHING to address that amazingly pervasive and pernicious outcome.

Heavens to betsy, we have an straight situation that white people dont see enough people like them in the profession of being a doctor --- they are *horribly* underrepresented. Better make that plan of attack to get those support groups in place to address that white urban population and those very apparent underrepresentation issues addressed....

(12-15-2021 09:44 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-15-2021 09:26 PM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-15-2021 08:34 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-15-2021 08:07 PM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ]Here you go, Tanq... doctors in general:

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/...an-doctors

- The percentage of U.S. doctors who are Black has barely risen in the past 120 years, and there's still a wide pay gap between white and Black physicians, a new study finds.

- In 1900, almost 12% of the U.S. population was Black, but only 1.3% of physicians were Black. In 1940, nearly 10% of the population was Black, but less than 3% of physicians were Black. Of those, 2.7% were men and 0.1% were women, the study found.

In 2018, about 13% of the U.S. population was Black, but only 5.4% of physicians were Black. Of those 2.6% were men and 2.8% were women.

While the percentage of Black women physicians increased almost 3 percentage points between 1940 and 2018, the proportion of physicians who are Black men remained essentially unchanged in that time, according to the study.

'Unchanged'? it looks like the proportion increased substantially in that time.

edited to add: a .3 reflective rate in 1940, to a .41 reflective rate over that time. Roughly a 33% increase in that effective rate.

Now, to your construct on 'proportion of doctors to population rate' issue:

From the US census:
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/t.../PST045219

White alone, percent 76.3%
Black or African American alone, percent(a) 13.4%
American Indian and Alaska Native alone, percent(a) 1.3%
Asian alone, percent(a) 5.9%
Hispanic 18.5%

From this site https://www.aamc.org/data-reports/workfo...icity-2018 (Association of American Medical Colleges)

% race in doctors

White 56.2%
Asian 17.1%
Unknown 13.7%
Hispanic 5.8%
Black 5.0%
Other 1.8%

Looks like us crackers need their own support groups to fight that evil racism that is borne out against us by the numbers above. Underrepresentation by 30% or so by US race weight.

Maybe so. Do you think it's racism at play for an explanation regarding the % of white doctors relative to their % of the US population?

I do not. But according to your rationale, any significant deviation from population ratios is cause for serious alarm.

Serious alarm = "Hey... it's cool if there are groups with match up minority students with minority mentors"?

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Quote:Please note that I haven't stated that racism is the source of under-representation of POC/women in these various professions.

Then perhaps please state for us what you think it is. I would be interested in noting what you think is the source of this very serious underrepresentation issue.

I think there has been a historical under-represetation which likely was rooted in racism/sexism.

I don't think 2021 under-represensation is because engineering HR departments/surgical departments are racist or sexist. I think the old boys' club had gradually degraded over the past few decades. I think, though, that minorities and women may not see themselves in certain fields because they don't see people "like them" currently involved in those fields.

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Quote:Better jump on that cause asap there 93. Looks like my jesting about a 'White pre-med society' is rather more serious than I thought.

By "jump on the cause" are you referring to my *checks notes*... support of groups that match minority students with minority mentors? Man... I am such a zealot!!!

The cause is raising the battle flag for deviations from population ratios in professions. And the immediate rally cry to do SOMETHING to address that amazingly pervasive and pernicious outcome.

Rally cry = "programs that match up minority students with minority mentors are cool"?

Quote:Heavens to betsy, we have an straight situation that white people dont see enough people like them in the profession of being a doctor --- they are *horribly* underrepresented. Better make that plan of attack to get those support groups in place to address that white urban population and those very apparent underrepresentation issues addressed....

You don't think white students see enough white doctors?

I'm sorry, but I am just really getting tired of all the, "We're so oppressed," talk. Get off your @$$es and make something of your life, instead of blaming everybody else. I think we have enough examples to show that it is not impossible.

And while we are at it, republicans, why don't you get busy on the side of helping out those who do want to make something of their lives with a hand up instead of a handout?

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Quote:Please note that I haven't stated that racism is the source of under-representation of POC/women in these various professions.

Then perhaps please state for us what you think it is. I would be interested in noting what you think is the source of this very serious underrepresentation issue.

I think there has been a historical under-represetation which likely was rooted in racism/sexism.

Lolz. That was quite the waste of time.....

Not meaning to be prickly here, and I understand if it is -- but we literally *just* did a:

Y: Note I didnt say x was the reason
M: Please tell us the reason
Y: Oh, x is the reason.

Just chuckling at a very non-productive sidebar that looped around and went exactly to where it started.

I know you get irked at me for a whole host of things, and please trust me I am not saying this to be prickly --- just literally laughing at loud at that very far moving yet going zero loop.

(12-15-2021 10:50 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:Please note that I haven't stated that racism is the source of under-representation of POC/women in these various professions.

Then perhaps please state for us what you think it is. I would be interested in noting what you think is the source of this very serious underrepresentation issue.

I think there has been a historical under-represetation which likely was rooted in racism/sexism.

Lolz. That was quite the waste of time.....

Not meaning to be prickly here, and I understand if it is -- but we literally *just* did a:

Y: Note I didnt say x was the reason
M: Please tell us the reason
Y: Oh, x is the reason.

Just chuckling at a very non-productive sidebar that looped around and went exactly to where it started.

I know you get irked at me for a whole host of things, and please trust me I am not saying this to be prickly --- just literally laughing at loud at that very far moving yet going zero loop.

I said that these minorities were likely not invited to the party in the past due to sexism and racism but I don't believe that to be the case any more.

Now it's more of a "well, that's not a job that people like me do".

IMO. So I don't believe I said that "x is the reason" twice. Historically I think there were more external factors in play and currently it's probably more due to internal factors when it comes to the student.

FTR, I am sure Numbers was not alive 100 years ago.

But he and I were both alive in the 50's and 60's and 70's, and remember real oppression and real segregation. It's not like that any more. Black people can go anywhere and do anything and be anything. But every time I try to tell people that, I get told I am just a racist or that since I am not black I cannot possibly know anything about it.

I notice Emmit Till gets brought up regularly. It seems to me that a lot of the people crying over oppression are living in the past.

Now, this is anecdotal, but tomorrow I am going to see my liver doctor, an Indian who has relegated my care to his Nurse Practitioner, a black female immigrant from Africa. I don't know who inspired her to be a medical professional. My internist is a black man from St. Louis. I don't know who inspired him. My diabetes doctor is a white woman. I don't know who inspired her.

Seems to be plenty of minorities in my medical life.

Just anecdotal.

(12-15-2021 11:27 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]FTR, I am sure Numbers was not alive 100 years ago.

But he and I were both alive in the 50's and 60's and 70's, and remember real oppression and real segregation. It's not like that any more. Black people can go anywhere and do anything and be anything. But every time I try to tell people that, I get told I am just a racist or that since I am not black I cannot possibly know anything about it.

I don't think either of those things but are you open to the idea that in your bubble you may not have your finger on the pulse on what it means to live as a black person in the US in 2021? Do you think there is zero difference in being black vs white in 2021?

(12-15-2021 08:37 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-15-2021 08:24 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-15-2021 07:43 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-15-2021 07:37 PM)InterestedX Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-15-2021 06:40 PM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ]How would you solve the problem of under-representation? Just leave it as-is?

Easy. They don't think it's a problem!

Because, explicitly from you, those who think different are simply (explicit and implicit, or casual and active, or something to that effect) racists as one of your specific go-tos, if I remember correctly.

And, its statements like you have made here like that explicitly that have led some of us to the 'just zip it' stage.

When people's knee jerk reaction to any opinion difference is in line with that response of yours that I am referring to above, it doesnt tend to help with the issue no matter how good that vent mode makes you feel better.

For those who don’t think conservative victimhood is alive and well, I present to you Exhibit A.

I have no idea how Interested’s post is twisted into EXPLICITLY calling someone a racist. Or how it can be extended to saying that people who think differently are racist.

Seriously, the liberals on this board are typecasted as stereotypical progressives from the conservative point of view far more than the conservatives here are typecasted as stereotypical right wingers from the liberal point of view.

Interested, maybe two months ago, explicitly defined Repubs as something or other and something or other 'racists'. I am merely recalling that explicit post from him at that time -- not trying to denote this current drive bay as that.

I should have been more explicit in my comment I can see.

Was it this one?

"These goombahs who rail on and on about the "dangers" of CRT aren't interested in analyzing anything. They just want to be reassured everything is fine and dandy since we let those folks we previously enslaved into our schools (under federal duress, natch). There is no more racism in American institutions or organizations, right?"

Post 260 in the BLM thread.

(12-15-2021 11:17 PM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-15-2021 10:50 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]

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Quote:

Quote:Please note that I haven't stated that racism is the source of under-representation of POC/women in these various professions.

Then perhaps please state for us what you think it is. I would be interested in noting what you think is the source of this very serious underrepresentation issue.

I think there has been a historical under-represetation which likely was rooted in racism/sexism.

Lolz. That was quite the waste of time.....

Not meaning to be prickly here, and I understand if it is -- but we literally *just* did a:

Y: Note I didnt say x was the reason
M: Please tell us the reason
Y: Oh, x is the reason.

Just chuckling at a very non-productive sidebar that looped around and went exactly to where it started.

I know you get irked at me for a whole host of things, and please trust me I am not saying this to be prickly --- just literally laughing at loud at that very far moving yet going zero loop.

I said that these minorities were likely not invited to the party in the past due to sexism and racism but I don't believe that to be the case any more.

Now it's more of a "well, that's not a job that people like me do".

IMO. So I don't believe I said that "x is the reason" twice. Historically I think there were more external factors in play and currently it's probably more due to internal factors when it comes to the student.

Y: Note I didnt say current x was the reason
M: Please tell us the reason
Y: Oh, historical x is the reason.

Not much difference -- not active 'they are black, let us deny them intentional' racism but the historical, systemic species of racism. Potayto, pohtahto.

In either case, the aggrievement of long past (100 years, 1619, 70 years, whatever the number) is still a debt due. And that is a price that people like you will be gunning to pay for long past I am worm food I suspect.

In my viewpoint, I look to help others with an opportunity to gain a way out. And, I do that no matter what color their skin is, what is between their legs, who they boink in the privacy of their own bedroom, or whatever differentiator seems to be the aggrievement de jour.

(12-15-2021 11:34 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-15-2021 08:37 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-15-2021 08:24 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-15-2021 07:43 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-15-2021 07:37 PM)InterestedX Wrote: [ -> ]Easy. They don't think it's a problem!

Because, explicitly from you, those who think different are simply (explicit and implicit, or casual and active, or something to that effect) racists as one of your specific go-tos, if I remember correctly.

And, its statements like you have made here like that explicitly that have led some of us to the 'just zip it' stage.

When people's knee jerk reaction to any opinion difference is in line with that response of yours that I am referring to above, it doesnt tend to help with the issue no matter how good that vent mode makes you feel better.

For those who don’t think conservative victimhood is alive and well, I present to you Exhibit A.

I have no idea how Interested’s post is twisted into EXPLICITLY calling someone a racist. Or how it can be extended to saying that people who think differently are racist.

Seriously, the liberals on this board are typecasted as stereotypical progressives from the conservative point of view far more than the conservatives here are typecasted as stereotypical right wingers from the liberal point of view.

Interested, maybe two months ago, explicitly defined Repubs as something or other and something or other 'racists'. I am merely recalling that explicit post from him at that time -- not trying to denote this current drive bay as that.

I should have been more explicit in my comment I can see.

Was it this one?

"These goombahs who rail on and on about the "dangers" of CRT aren't interested in analyzing anything. They just want to be reassured everything is fine and dandy since we let those folks we previously enslaved into our schools (under federal duress, natch). There is no more racism in American institutions or organizations, right?"

Post 260 in the BLM thread.

No, the one I was relating to was very explicit in calling Republicans racists. That one is just impliedly snide, as opposed to saying it directly.

(12-15-2021 11:34 PM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-15-2021 11:27 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote: [ -> ]FTR, I am sure Numbers was not alive 100 years ago.

But he and I were both alive in the 50's and 60's and 70's, and remember real oppression and real segregation. It's not like that any more. Black people can go anywhere and do anything and be anything. But every time I try to tell people that, I get told I am just a racist or that since I am not black I cannot possibly know anything about it.

I don't think either of those things but are you open to the idea that in your bubble you may not have your finger on the pulse on what it means to live as a black person in the US in 2021? Do you think there is zero difference in being black vs white in 2021?

I am pretty sure that the difference in 2021 is an order of magnitude smaller than that of the early 1970's. Probably two magnitudes than that of the 1950's.

And, I dont think I saw the statement 'zero difference' anywhere. Could you point out where OO said 'zero' difference?

(12-15-2021 11:56 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-15-2021 11:17 PM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-15-2021 10:50 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:

Quote:Then perhaps please state for us what you think it is. I would be interested in noting what you think is the source of this very serious underrepresentation issue.

I think there has been a historical under-represetation which likely was rooted in racism/sexism.

Lolz. That was quite the waste of time.....

Not meaning to be prickly here, and I understand if it is -- but we literally *just* did a:

Y: Note I didnt say x was the reason
M: Please tell us the reason
Y: Oh, x is the reason.

Just chuckling at a very non-productive sidebar that looped around and went exactly to where it started.

I know you get irked at me for a whole host of things, and please trust me I am not saying this to be prickly --- just literally laughing at loud at that very far moving yet going zero loop.

I said that these minorities were likely not invited to the party in the past due to sexism and racism but I don't believe that to be the case any more.

Now it's more of a "well, that's not a job that people like me do".

IMO. So I don't believe I said that "x is the reason" twice. Historically I think there were more external factors in play and currently it's probably more due to internal factors when it comes to the student.

Y: Note I didnt say current x was the reason
M: Please tell us the reason
Y: Oh, historical x is the reason.

Not much difference -- not active 'they are black, let us deny them intentional' racism but the historical, systemic species of racism. Potayto, pohtahto.

In either case, the aggrievement of long past (100 years, 1619, 70 years, whatever the number) is still a debt due. And that is a price that people like you will be gunning to pay for long past I am worm food I suspect.

You are right. I will be "gunning" for minority college students to have the ability to form groups that encourage mentorship with others from their minority groups. I hope that your distant relatives will be able to stomach such brazen communism as that. It won't be easy.

Quote:In my viewpoint, I look to help others with an opportunity to gain a way out. And, I do that no matter what color their skin is, what is between their legs, who they boink in the privacy of their own bedroom, or whatever differentiator seems to be the aggrievement de jour.

Maybe you should go tell these guys that they should disband their organization: https://utbhpo.wixsite.com/utbhpo

Those kids are total racists.

(12-16-2021 12:06 AM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-15-2021 11:56 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-15-2021 11:17 PM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-15-2021 10:50 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:I think there has been a historical under-represetation which likely was rooted in racism/sexism.

Lolz. That was quite the waste of time.....

Not meaning to be prickly here, and I understand if it is -- but we literally *just* did a:

Y: Note I didnt say x was the reason
M: Please tell us the reason
Y: Oh, x is the reason.

Just chuckling at a very non-productive sidebar that looped around and went exactly to where it started.

I know you get irked at me for a whole host of things, and please trust me I am not saying this to be prickly --- just literally laughing at loud at that very far moving yet going zero loop.

I said that these minorities were likely not invited to the party in the past due to sexism and racism but I don't believe that to be the case any more.

Now it's more of a "well, that's not a job that people like me do".

IMO. So I don't believe I said that "x is the reason" twice. Historically I think there were more external factors in play and currently it's probably more due to internal factors when it comes to the student.

Y: Note I didnt say current x was the reason
M: Please tell us the reason
Y: Oh, historical x is the reason.

Not much difference -- not active 'they are black, let us deny them intentional' racism but the historical, systemic species of racism. Potayto, pohtahto.

In either case, the aggrievement of long past (100 years, 1619, 70 years, whatever the number) is still a debt due. And that is a price that people like you will be gunning to pay for long past I am worm food I suspect.

You are right. I will be "gunning" for minority college students to have the ability to form groups that encourage mentorship with others from their minority groups. I hope that your distant relatives will be able to stomach such brazen communism as that. It won't be easy.

Quote:In my viewpoint, I look to help others with an opportunity to gain a way out. And, I do that no matter what color their skin is, what is between their legs, who they boink in the privacy of their own bedroom, or whatever differentiator seems to be the aggrievement de jour.

Maybe you should go tell these guys that they should disband their organization: https://utbhpo.wixsite.com/utbhpo

Those kids are total racists.

I guess you already forgot my comment that private people can do whatever private people want to do. If a group of private people wishes to help some [fill in some aggrieved group name], more power to them.

I choose to refrain from making choices based on skin color. Apparently my comment about being equal opportunity in the broadest sense above has gotten under your skin.

If someone wants to limit, or increase, help based on some facile indicia like skin color, they are free to be racist. Absolutely.

What do *you* call it when one makes a decision based on skin color?

But at the end of the day, if you make a decision based solely on skin color -- then at least have the spine to admit to that racism.

And that is the hilarious thing -- the left and the leftists simply cannot do that. Saying 'I want to help blacks because, well, they are black' is the exact same thing as saying 'I prefer to help whites because, well, they are white'. There is zero difference, no matter what pathos and passion play you choose to fly forward with.

The snaggle tooth dude who says the latter many times will admit to the fact that they are racist in that viewpoint. But, the people who state the former will most often carry on to their final breath saying that they are not. Just as you cannot do that, and instead have to shoot back and denote 'how DARE you call these people racists who are doing gods work for helping blacks because...... they are black.'

In that regard, as opposed to the racists of the left, I many times have a tad more respect for the honesty of the virulent white racists --- they are actually forthright about their choices based on skin color and how it is racist. I have zero respect for the actual point of view, mind you, but they earn the respect of being overt about projecting that point of view in an explicit manner.

On the left, you all just jump up and down and scream about how horrible it is to call your decision to help someone based on skin color as 'racist' --- that is until the result is a poorer outcome for your preferred victim, and then and only then does a decision based on skin color become 'racist'.

So in closing, what do *you* call a decision based at least in part on skin color?

This week Senator Warren.....

......lied about federal income tax;
......blamed inflation on a conspiracy of evil, profit gouging meatpackers;
......called decentralized finance a scam;
......picked a fight with elon; and
......wrote an op-ed in favor of authoritarianism (removing the filibuster *and* packing the SCOTUS as a two-fer).

It's still Wednesday.

Your present day progressive party on full view in the above points.

(12-15-2021 08:37 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-15-2021 08:24 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-15-2021 07:43 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-15-2021 07:37 PM)InterestedX Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-15-2021 06:40 PM)Rice93 Wrote: [ -> ]How would you solve the problem of under-representation? Just leave it as-is?

Easy. They don't think it's a problem!

Because, explicitly from you, those who think different are simply (explicit and implicit, or casual and active, or something to that effect) racists as one of your specific go-tos, if I remember correctly.

And, its statements like you have made here like that explicitly that have led some of us to the 'just zip it' stage.

When people's knee jerk reaction to any opinion difference is in line with that response of yours that I am referring to above, it doesnt tend to help with the issue no matter how good that vent mode makes you feel better.

For those who don’t think conservative victimhood is alive and well, I present to you Exhibit A.

I have no idea how Interested’s post is twisted into EXPLICITLY calling someone a racist. Or how it can be extended to saying that people who think differently are racist.

Seriously, the liberals on this board are typecasted as stereotypical progressives from the conservative point of view far more than the conservatives here are typecasted as stereotypical right wingers from the liberal point of view.

Interested, maybe two months ago, explicitly defined Repubs as something or other and something or other 'racists'. I am merely recalling that explicit post from him at that time -- not trying to denote this current drive bay as that.

I should have been more explicit in my comment I can see.

This post?

"Funnily enough, I used to have quite a few friends and acquaintances who I considered to be "reasonable Republicans", leaning right but sane. That all changed when they became Trump remora, looking only to "own the libs" and blow up polite society with their overt and covert racism and gun fetishes."

If not that one, please provide a link to what you claim I said about all Republicans. I'll wait.