Just updating ExcitedOwl18's list. Obviously some coaches fill multiple roles.
(12-10-2017 04:38 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote: [ -> ]HC: Mike Bloomgren
Assistant HC:
Recruiting Coordinator:
Special Teams Coordinator:
Offense:
OC: Jerry Mack (maybe WR?)
OL: Joe Ashfield
QB:
RB:
TE:
Defense:
DC: Brian Smith (maybe safeties or LB?)
CB:
Saf:
LB:
DL:
(12-11-2017 10:50 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]I've said it before, I think if I were doing this my approach would be to bring in three coordinators (offense, defense, special teams) that I trusted totally. Then keep a couple off the old staff for continuity, focusing on the two with the best recruiting track records. Then I'd fill out the staff with high school coaches who had the contacts to recruit, recruit, recruit. Ideally, I'd get recent presidents of the Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Louisiana HS coaches associations. A quality coach can be a good position coach.
That was pretty much the formula that Nick Saban followed at LSU, and it took him 4 years to win a national championship with it. That made an impression on me (obviously) and ever since it has seemed a smart way to go.
A couple of followup questions:
Did Saban do the same at Alabama?
Who were the coaches that he brought in to LSU, and where are they now?
(12-12-2017 03:42 PM)I45owl Wrote: [ -> ] (12-11-2017 10:50 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]I've said it before, I think if I were doing this my approach would be to bring in three coordinators (offense, defense, special teams) that I trusted totally. Then keep a couple off the old staff for continuity, focusing on the two with the best recruiting track records. Then I'd fill out the staff with high school coaches who had the contacts to recruit, recruit, recruit. Ideally, I'd get recent presidents of the Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Louisiana HS coaches associations. A quality coach can be a good position coach.
That was pretty much the formula that Nick Saban followed at LSU, and it took him 4 years to win a national championship with it. That made an impression on me (obviously) and ever since it has seemed a smart way to go.
A couple of followup questions:
Did Saban do the same at Alabama?
Who were the coaches that he brought in to LSU, and where are they now?
Partially answering my own question (the LSU Website does not list coaches for 2000 that I could find)...
2000 LSU Tigers
Quote:Head coach Nick Saban (1st season)
Offensive coordinator Jimbo Fisher (1st season)
Offensive scheme Pro-style
Defensive coordinator Phil Elamissian (1st season)
Fisher, obviously, at TAMU
Phil Elmassian - Wikipedia was replaced by Gary Gibbs, who left the next year and has been in the NFL since then. Gibbs was followed by Will Muschamp, who moved up from DB coach at LSU.
Quote:2000 LSU (DC)
2001 West Virginia (DC)
2002 Marshall (LB)
2003 Purdue (DB)
2004–2007 Nebraska (DB)
2008 Louisiana-Monroe (DC)
2009–2010 Illinois St. (DC)
2011 Purdue (LB)
2012–2013 UMass (DC)
2014 Ferrum (DC)
(12-12-2017 03:42 PM)I45owl Wrote: [ -> ] (12-11-2017 10:50 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]I've said it before, I think if I were doing this my approach would be to bring in three coordinators (offense, defense, special teams) that I trusted totally. Then keep a couple off the old staff for continuity, focusing on the two with the best recruiting track records. Then I'd fill out the staff with high school coaches who had the contacts to recruit, recruit, recruit. Ideally, I'd get recent presidents of the Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Louisiana HS coaches associations. A quality coach can be a good position coach.
That was pretty much the formula that Nick Saban followed at LSU, and it took him 4 years to win a national championship with it. That made an impression on me (obviously) and ever since it has seemed a smart way to go.
A couple of followup questions:
Did Saban do the same at Alabama?
Who were the coaches that he brought in to LSU, and where are they now?
Did not do the same at Bama. By Bama he was well enough established that he could pretty much get whomever he wanted. He was kind of forced into making up a staff from scratch at LSU when nobody on his staff at Michigan State agreed to go with him. He's not the easiest guy to work for, and they would rather stay and work for Bobby Williams. Somewhat ironically, Bobby is now on Saban's staff at Bama.
Hard to find a complete list, and not as many HS coaches as I had remembered, so that may be a bit of legend or fuzzy memory, but here are the non-HS coaches. They were all hired for their recruiting capabilities. I think we know where most of them are today.
OC-Jimbo Fisher
QB-Sal Sunseri
TE/Recruiting-Derek Dooley
RB/Special Teams-Mike Haywood
WR/AHC-Stan Hixon
DC-Phil Elmassian, then Gary Gibbs, then Will Muschamp
DB-Mel Tucker
My son and I were in Baton Rouge and spent a night at the hotel where they were all saying during transition. They had a huge breakfast meeting at a large round table next to us. Saban gave them their recruiting marching orders very explicitly. He asked one assistant, "Have you nailed down the commitment from (say, Smith) yet?" To which the coach replied, "We're close, but if we lose him I've got someone just as good." To which Saban replied, "I didn't hire you to get someone just as good as Smith."
On the way out to the car in the parking lot my then 14 year old son said, "Dad, I think that's the meanest man I've ever seen."
I still think it's a good model, even if I don't remember it correctly. Get some strong coordinators (and I thing Jimbo, Haywood, and Elmassian/Gibbs/Muschamp fit that bill) and fill out the staff with recruiters.
Did anyone else get an email from Rice Athletics about the coordinator hirings with the title “Catch up on Coach Bloom’s First Week”, with the first sentence as “It’s been a busy first week on the job for Coach Bloom.”? First, this is incredibly embarrassing and second, who the hell is proofreading this $hit? Someone needs to get their a$$ chewed out big time.
(12-12-2017 05:08 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote: [ -> ]Did anyone else get an email from Rice Athletics about the coordinator hirings with the title “Catch up on Coach Bloom’s First Week”, with the first sentence as “It’s been a busy first week on the job for Coach Bloom.”? First, this is incredibly embarrassing and second, who the hell is proofreading this $hit? Someone needs to get their a$$ chewed out big time.
Yes, I just saw that.
Didn't know if it was a "nickname" or a mistake.
Maybe they were thinking of Leopold Bloom from the book Ulysses.
(12-12-2017 05:08 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote: [ -> ]Did anyone else get an email from Rice Athletics about the coordinator hirings with the title “Catch up on Coach Bloom’s First Week”, with the first sentence as “It’s been a busy first week on the job for Coach Bloom.”? First, this is incredibly embarrassing and second, who the hell is proofreading this $hit? Someone needs to get their a$$ chewed out big time.
Is that really so awful. Any different than coach Hat? At least they are doing something
don't you think they are intentionally calling him coach bloom ???
Vestal and Steward still listed on the directory in addition to the new hires.
(12-12-2017 05:11 PM)dragon2owl Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2017 05:08 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote: [ -> ]Did anyone else get an email from Rice Athletics about the coordinator hirings with the title “Catch up on Coach Bloom’s First Week”, with the first sentence as “It’s been a busy first week on the job for Coach Bloom.”? First, this is incredibly embarrassing and second, who the hell is proofreading this $hit? Someone needs to get their a$$ chewed out big time.
Yes, I just saw that.
Didn't know if it was a "nickname" or a mistake.
His twitter handle is @mbloom11, so I wouldn't be surprised if his "nickname" is Coach Bloom.
(12-12-2017 07:07 PM)75src Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe they were thinking of Leopold Bloom from the book Ulysses.
(12-12-2017 05:08 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote: [ -> ]Did anyone else get an email from Rice Athletics about the coordinator hirings with the title “Catch up on Coach Bloom’s First Week”, with the first sentence as “It’s been a busy first week on the job for Coach Bloom.”?
Better than Leopold and Loeb!
(12-13-2017 10:29 AM)georgewebb Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2017 07:07 PM)75src Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe they were thinking of Leopold Bloom from the book Ulysses.
(12-12-2017 05:08 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote: [ -> ]Did anyone else get an email from Rice Athletics about the coordinator hirings with the title “Catch up on Coach Bloom’s First Week”, with the first sentence as “It’s been a busy first week on the job for Coach Bloom.”?
Better than Leopold and Loeb!
I've been using Bloom as shorthand for Bloomgren. maybe they are too. Might have to ask Coach K. Or Hat.
Anyone care to speculate on what might be Coach Smith's defensive philosophy?
(12-13-2017 02:41 PM)Pan95 Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone care to speculate on what might be Coach Smith's defensive philosophy?
A steady dose of don’t get beat deep on third and long would be nice.
(12-13-2017 03:03 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-13-2017 02:41 PM)Pan95 Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone care to speculate on what might be Coach Smith's defensive philosophy?
A steady dose of don’t get beat deep on third and long would be nice.
Fred and I used to have a running argument about blitzing. I thought we should put more pressure on the QB, he wanted to sit back and play zone.
So we're playing Ohio State in Columbus. They score on their first possession, we don't. On what I think was their second possession, we sack the QB and then they hold and throw incomplete. So it's 3rd and 26, and we bring the house. Their wide receiver beats single coverage and they hit him deep for a TD. After the game Fred said to me, "See what happens when we blitz?" To which I replied, "Well, 3rd and 26 wasn't exactly the down and distance I had in mind for blitzing."
(12-13-2017 10:29 AM)georgewebb Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2017 07:07 PM)75src Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe they were thinking of Leopold Bloom from the book Ulysses.
(12-12-2017 05:08 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote: [ -> ]Did anyone else get an email from Rice Athletics about the coordinator hirings with the title “Catch up on Coach Bloom’s First Week”, with the first sentence as “It’s been a busy first week on the job for Coach Bloom.”?
Better than Leopold and Loeb!
OT, but my favorite exchange from Law and Order:
Adam Schiff: Clarence Darrow had Leopold and Loeb. Who do we have?
Jack McCoy: Beavis and Butthead.
Anyone hear rumors in the last week about how Bloomgren will fill out his staff? After an initial burst of info with Coaches Mack & Smith, followed a few days later with Coach Ashfield, there has been a lot of silence. From some tweets, it looks like Coach Vestal continues to help the incoming staff, though there hasn't been any official announcement that he is staying. Still a lot of open coaching spots and you figure filling those spots would be as important as recruiting (since it can help with recruiting if you get the right coaches).
(12-18-2017 05:57 PM)mrbig Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone hear rumors in the last week about how Bloomgren will fill out his staff? After an initial burst of info with Coaches Mack & Smith, followed a few days later with Coach Ashfield, there has been a lot of silence. From some tweets, it looks like Coach Vestal continues to help the incoming staff, though there hasn't been any official announcement that he is staying. Still a lot of open coaching spots and you figure filling those spots would be as important as recruiting (since it can help with recruiting if you get the right coaches).
Interesting take on why this might be:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.c...44093.html
“Well, there are many unspoken agreements for assistant coaches to wait to switch jobs until after the early signing period. It’s an age-old maneuver to lure in the talent and sprint for greener pastures once said talent is secured. This year, that number will uptick for a few reasons. Schools can hire a 10th assistant coach in January, which means there’s basically 130 new jobs. Most of the new hires haven’t filled out their staffs yet at the nearly 20 jobs that have opened, which means there’s at least another 100 jobs.“
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