(07-25-2017 12:14 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 11:38 AM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.timesonline.com/sports/colleg...18026.html
There is little doubt in my mind the Horizon wants Robert Morris for basketball. Where does RMU put their football and Lacrosse? This article mentions the MVFC, CAA, and Big South as potential football homes.
Today, there are tweets from a Fargo sportswriter that the MVFC wants twelve teams with divisions. That would likely leave out RMU, as Murray St would probably get the MVFC and MVC slots. But think the Dakota schools are gone, so maybe RMU gets in anyway.
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Viverito on expansion: "Not a 12th team we're looking at right now, but a 12 team league with two divisions would be attractive to us."
The two biggest "Dakota" schools are the MVFC and they aren't going anywhere. As for the 12th. There are only three schools the league would have any interest in if going to 12 and splitting into divisions. All three would be based on expansion of the parent league. If the MVC expands further and take a FB school, Murray State. If the Summit want to add a school with FB (UNC or EIU).
Personally I don't see the MVC expanding further unless a school like St. Louis decide to come over. The league is stable. No current members are leaving anytime soon. WSU and CU were the threats because they had both outgrown the league.
The Summit will add a school and they need a baseball school. Both UNC and EIU fit with EIU being the more likely add. Though having DU in the Summit does, no matter what certain posters think, put UNC in play.
MVC is at a threat still. The football schools could pick up their balls and head to FBS. Missouri State is wanted, and if they do move to an FBS conference? They would be upgrading their basketball to a better conference. Northern Iowa, Illinois State and Indiana State are also a threat to go FBS. For the MVFC? Youngstown State wants in FBS now. Illinois State, Indiana State and Northern Iowa to the MAC sounds right. Stony Brook to the east is okay as well for a MAC 16 team league. It would upgrade their basketball in the MAC as well.
(07-25-2017 01:51 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote: [ -> ]The state have been trying to find a good economic driver for the old Homestake site since it closed. USD is not the driver, neither is SDSU or SD Mines. The State of South Dakota is, and having T Denny money come a long with a lot of cash helped.
Precisely
(07-25-2017 01:40 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]Mpls:
USD is the furthest behind among the Dakotas in research. Never said any of them would be AAU. But the research dollars climb anyway.
https://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/herd/2015/html...ST_16.html
Not so much true for U of SD. They have a looooooot of work to do. (#241)
(07-25-2017 01:54 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed. YSU need to eventually find a home, the problem is no one wants them. They don't fit the CAA academic profile and there are no FBS leagues interested. I could see the scenario you mention happening if UNC were added. It seems crazy having YSU in the west but the reality is that the MVC schools would want to maintain rivalries and the Summit schools want to stay together. YSU are the odd school out.
I'm not denying that, at all.
What I'm suggesting is that YSU could respond something like "We've been with you since 1997, and now you're essentially kicking us out into a Dakota/Colorado conference?? You can go pound sand!"
While hardly ideal, they could play full-scholarship, fully funded FCS football in the Big South, or decrease football funding and play in the NEC. Either option might be considered more palatable than staying in the MVFC under that arrangement. A long shot option would be to get a Liberty waiver and play FBS independent, hoping one day for inclusion in the MAC.
Viverito joins in on the FCS fantasy of clawing teams back down from FBS:
Quote:Besides, she said, it's questionable whether programs outside of the Power 5 Conferences can sustain the current football footprint. Viverito points to the University of Idaho moving down from FBS to the FCS and the Big Sky Conference beginning in 2018.
"Major change in the next five to 10 years seems likely and the FCS model needs to be prominently factored into any Division I football alignment," Viverito said. "Schools that move dream of being the next Boise State. It's been documented that expenses and the move to FBS almost always outstrip the gains in revenues and that's only going to grow wider."
(07-25-2017 01:58 PM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed. YSU need to eventually find a home, the problem is no one wants them. They don't fit the CAA academic profile and there are no FBS leagues interested. I could see the scenario you mention happening if UNC were added. It seems crazy having YSU in the west but the reality is that the MVC schools would want to maintain rivalries and the Summit schools want to stay together. YSU are the odd school out.
I'm not denying that, at all.
What I'm suggesting is that YSU could respond something like "We've been with you since 1997, and now you're essentially kicking us out into a Dakota/Colorado conference?? You can go pound sand!"
While hardly ideal, they could play full-scholarship, fully funded FCS football in the Big South, or decrease football funding and play in the NEC. Either option might be considered more palatable than staying in the MVFC under that arrangement. A long shot option would be to get a Liberty waiver and play FBS independent, hoping one day for inclusion in the MAC.[/quote]
I would love to see Youngstown St in the MAC down the road. They've been competitive in the FCS for a long while. If that were not an option for any reason, the NEC (ehhh) or CAA (big dreams) or OVC (hmm?) could be options for full membership. I would think they'd fit in best with the OVC. Perhaps, football-only for CAA and full membership in the AmEast (stretch), Horizon (decent fit), or MVC (okay fit?).
(07-25-2017 03:54 PM)BePcr07 Wrote: [ -> ]I would love to see Youngstown St in the MAC down the road. They've been competitive in the FCS for a long while. If that were not an option for any reason, the NEC (ehhh) or CAA (big dreams) or OVC (hmm?) could be options for full membership. I would think they'd fit in best with the OVC. Perhaps, football-only for CAA and full membership in the AmEast (stretch), Horizon (decent fit), or MVC (okay fit?).
Don't think any Ohio MAC schools will allow another, unfortunately.
CAA would be ideal, just don't know if they're open to it. And in that case, especially if the Horizon can get RMU, then I would say why not just keep bball in the Horizon?
(07-25-2017 01:54 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 01:13 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 01:10 PM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 01:06 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote: [ -> ]Here's how I would do the MVFC if they added UNC to the Summit.
Division 1
Illinois State
Indiana State
Missouri State
Northern Iowa
Southern Illinois
Western Illinois
Division 2
North Dakota
North Dakota State
Northern Colorado
South Dakota
South Dakota State
Youngstown State
Play a home and home with 3 of the opposite division, switch every 2 years like the Big 12 did. Outside of Youngstown State, travel and rivalries would be about perfect for everybody.
Wonder if Youngstown would quit the MVFC, rather than take three guaranteed trips to Dakotas/Colorado one year and two the next year, every two years?
They fly everywhere already and have no rivalries or political clout in the league.
Agreed. YSU need to eventually find a home, the problem is no one wants them. They don't fit the CAA academic profile and there are no FBS leagues interested. I could see the scenario you mention happening if UNC were added. It seems crazy having YSU in the west but the reality is that the MVC schools would want to maintain rivalries and the Summit schools want to stay together. YSU are the odd school out.
It really makes a bunch of sense for all the other 11 teams in the situation I presented. Everybody essentially gets their 5 close geographical/conference rivals and 3 solid games from their other division. Great scheduling and cost containment model which is what FCS football is all about.
In fantasy world it would be great if you could drop Youngstown's program on Minnesota State.
(07-25-2017 04:20 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote: [ -> ]Everybody essentially gets their 5 close geographical/conference rivals
MO St isn't "close" to anybody ... except some of the Sun Belt teams.
(07-25-2017 03:48 PM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]The MVC commish is Doug Elgin, not Patty Viverito.
http://www.mvc-sports.com/staff.aspx
The MVFC has a "commisoner" too. All these things you "know" sone how are mostly wrong.
(07-25-2017 04:35 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]The MVFC has a "commisoner" too.
No need for quotes, the MVFC is an actual conference with an actual commish.
Before you edited it to correct your mistake, #283 said MVC rather than MVFC.
(07-25-2017 01:29 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 01:26 PM)NoQuestion Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 12:59 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.mitchellrepublic.com/news/430...search-lab
Not the right thread for this, but USD is gaining major new research credentials. The MVFC doesn't care, but the Montanas and Idaho are impressed.
Are we?
You aren't but Cruzado sure is. Cruzado's opinion counts, not this boards.
Except there is nothing impressive about what you are claiming.
(07-25-2017 01:38 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 01:34 PM)NoQuestion Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 01:29 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 01:26 PM)NoQuestion Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 12:59 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.mitchellrepublic.com/news/430...search-lab
Not the right thread for this, but USD is gaining major new research credentials. The MVFC doesn't care, but the Montanas and Idaho are impressed.
Are we?
You aren't but Cruzado sure is. Cruzado's opinion counts, not this boards.
Again. You have no idea what she is thinking or what her opinion is so quit making statements as if you do.
And you as an MSU fan think you can make statements that you are out of your league to make.
More than you speaking for the President of his university
(07-25-2017 05:43 PM)dbackjon Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 01:38 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 01:34 PM)NoQuestion Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 01:29 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 01:26 PM)NoQuestion Wrote: [ -> ]Are we?
You aren't but Cruzado sure is. Cruzado's opinion counts, not this boards.
Again. You have no idea what she is thinking or what her opinion is so quit making statements as if you do.
And you as an MSU fan think you can make statements that you are out of your league to make.
More than you speaking for the President of his university
A President of a research school is normally impressed by new world class research capability. Strange how common sense is so much attacked here. But that's your and others style and refrain.
Never mind diversity of opinion, which is under attack by posters like you too, who seem to want to stamp it out, as if that will change anything.
(07-25-2017 06:03 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 05:43 PM)dbackjon Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 01:38 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 01:34 PM)NoQuestion Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 01:29 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]You aren't but Cruzado sure is. Cruzado's opinion counts, not this boards.
Again. You have no idea what she is thinking or what her opinion is so quit making statements as if you do.
And you as an MSU fan think you can make statements that you are out of your league to make.
More than you speaking for the President of his university
A President of a research school is normally impressed by new world class research capability. Strange how common sense is so much attacked here. But that's your and others style and refrain.
Never mind diversity of opinion, which is under attack by posters like you too, who seem to want to stamp it out, as if that will change anything.
What your little mind fails to understand is that USD gets zero credit for the research - they are only one of dozens of universities that have a professor or two somewhat involved.
so no, Cruzado, or anyone other than you, is not impressed.
(07-25-2017 06:05 PM)dbackjon Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 06:03 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 05:43 PM)dbackjon Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 01:38 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 01:34 PM)NoQuestion Wrote: [ -> ]Again. You have no idea what she is thinking or what her opinion is so quit making statements as if you do.
And you as an MSU fan think you can make statements that you are out of your league to make.
More than you speaking for the President of his university
A President of a research school is normally impressed by new world class research capability. Strange how common sense is so much attacked here. But that's your and others style and refrain.
Never mind diversity of opinion, which is under attack by posters like you too, who seem to want to stamp it out, as if that will change anything.
What your little mind fails to understand is that USD gets zero credit for the research - they are only one of dozens of universities that have a professor or two somewhat involved.
so no, Cruzado, or anyone other than you, is not impressed.
USD gets to be a lead grant university out of the deal. The Sanford facility is under their name. Try again. Sanford has given USD and SDSU and even NDSU a lot of money to improve their facilities for an eventual FBS move.
Your going to have to get over losing the Montanas eventually and not personally take it so hard.. NAU and other Big Sky schools simply don't have community support for their athletic programs. Weber St is an exception.
(07-25-2017 06:08 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 06:05 PM)dbackjon Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 06:03 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 05:43 PM)dbackjon Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 01:38 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]And you as an MSU fan think you can make statements that you are out of your league to make.
More than you speaking for the President of his university
A President of a research school is normally impressed by new world class research capability. Strange how common sense is so much attacked here. But that's your and others style and refrain.
Never mind diversity of opinion, which is under attack by posters like you too, who seem to want to stamp it out, as if that will change anything.
What your little mind fails to understand is that USD gets zero credit for the research - they are only one of dozens of universities that have a professor or two somewhat involved.
so no, Cruzado, or anyone other than you, is not impressed.
USD gets to be a lead grant university out of the deal. The Sanford facility is under their name. Try again. Sanford has given USD and SDSU and even NDSU a lot of money to improve their facilities for an eventual FBS move.
Your going to have to get over losing the Montanas eventually and not personally take it so hard.. NAU and other Big Sky schools simply don't have community support for their athletic programs. Weber St is an exception.
Can you point to something that backs up your claim? I linked articles showing it is under the control of the US DOE/FermiLab and University of Chicago.
Not a single mention of USD on Sanford's website.
USD, along with other Universities (like SD school of Mines, Colorado State, both linked above) are using the facilities at Sanford to conduct specific research programs)
(07-25-2017 06:03 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]Never mind diversity of opinion, which is under attack by posters like you too, who seem to want to stamp it out, as if that will change anything.
Then start giving your opinion instead of patently false assertions.
(07-25-2017 06:27 PM)dbackjon Wrote: [ -> ]USD, along with other Universities (like SD school of Mines, Colorado State, both linked above) are using the facilities at Sanford to conduct specific research programs)
I'd be surprised if USD even had a whole research center working there. More than likely, just a physics faculty or two proposing a grant.
Could be wrong of course, but I think the SD constitution setup SD Mines to be the main technical/engineering school, with SDSU the agriculture school, and USD the "professional" school (law, medicine, journalism, business, etc.).