I would grab Fort Hays State if they can, or Washburn.
Not sure if they want Rogers State in Claremore. They are too close to Tulsa.
If Summit want to reach Texas? Central Oklahoma and Cameron could be handy to add a little more bridge.
UAFS is right there around Tulsa area as well.
Why go east? Stay centralized, and hopefully send IUPUFW to the WAC.
Who ended up getting the invite?
It was so uneventful nobody can remember.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G530AZ using
CSNbbs mobile app
(06-29-2017 08:04 AM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]I would grab Fort Hays State if they can, or Washburn.
Not sure if they want Rogers State in Claremore. They are too close to Tulsa.
If Summit want to reach Texas? Central Oklahoma and Cameron could be handy to add a little more bridge.
UAFS is right there around Tulsa area as well.
Why go east? Stay centralized, and hopefully send IUPUFW to the WAC.
Gee, I am really glad you are not the commissioner of any conference!
You have demonstrated no clue as to looking at the big picture, but are always posting suggestions that are logical based on one characteristic but that ignore many other characteristics that are deal breakers.
(06-29-2017 02:32 PM)NotANewbie Wrote: [ -> ] (06-29-2017 08:04 AM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]I would grab Fort Hays State if they can, or Washburn.
Not sure if they want Rogers State in Claremore. They are too close to Tulsa.
If Summit want to reach Texas? Central Oklahoma and Cameron could be handy to add a little more bridge.
UAFS is right there around Tulsa area as well.
Why go east? Stay centralized, and hopefully send IUPUFW to the WAC.
Gee, I am really glad you are not the commissioner of any conference!
You have demonstrated no clue as to looking at the big picture, but are always posting suggestions that are logical based on one characteristic but that ignore many other characteristics that are deal breakers.
Hell doubt most fans even could find his list of schools wanting to be big time on a map let alone what sports they play
Fort Wayne still might not be ready for a move up just yet. This article tells of some of Fort Wayne's shortcomings.
The Time Is Now For Fort Wayne To Step Up Athletically
Fort Wayne has geography, demographics, recruiting base, and a potentially magnificent new downtown arena on its side that could make it the envy of most mid-major athletic programs across the country. However, the university has failed to make any significant level of commitment to utilizing athletics (and all of those mentioned assets) to strengthen the university. That is why IUPUI is in a much more attractive position today than the Mastodons have any hope for in the near future. Some will point to the location of, and enrollment of, IUPUI as to what sold the Horizon League on the Jaguars, as say, opposed to the Mastodons. There is validity in those points. However, the real issue for Fort Wayne is that of marketing, or lack thereof. The Mastodons, as an athletic department overall, simply are not that appealing to any league that has viable options in terms of expansion. IPFW has spent over a decade taking a “halfway pregnant” approach to its participation athletically at the NCAA Division I level. It wants to be at the highest level, it just doesn't want to do what is necessary to be competitive there. That philosophy could be followed in 2007 – to a certain degree – but it can't anymore. Intercollegiate athletics, on and off of the field, are just too competitive of an arena to not be fully invested in your mission to compete. That is what separates IUPUI and Fort Wayne.
(06-28-2017 09:09 AM)insomniaisevil Wrote: [ -> ]I wish IUPUI luck, but this really doesn't feel like a good addition.
(06-28-2017 10:14 AM)Chuck_A Wrote: [ -> ]If today's technical difficulties were any indication, they won't spend money on anything.
In other news today, jaded Horizon fans are jaded.
Has Oakland, with their tiny arena, been a bad addition to the Horizon? IU Indy is exactly the same type of institution as UI Chicago is. It has great potential, and great facilities, and hopefully will bid to host many Horizon championships, including baseball at the Triple-A professional stadium that is just south of campus.
You two need to just put that in your pipes and smoke it. Give them a couple years, then assess.
(06-28-2017 04:19 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote: [ -> ]Why would UNC want to move?
Why would UNC want to move from a midwest conference to a western conference? It had all of its glory days, athletically, in the NCC conference.
Then it decided to move DI, and got it in its head that it should be in a Western conference. Well, it hasn't amount of jack ____ in that Western conference. Maybe a shake-up would do them well?
(06-28-2017 04:39 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: [ -> ]The low hanging fruit is SIU-Edwardsville, who have both Baseball and Men's Soccer.
The second target for the Summit should be EIU. That would give them a 6th football school in 202 allowing the Summit to sponsor the sport and split the MVFC (which is going to split when the MVC gets a 6th playing member anyway - can you say Murray State?).
I'd try to get EIU before SIUE. E ILL is already an affiliate member of the Summit. And they're rivals with W ILL. They also have football rivalries with the ILL MVFC schools. And there is a spot open in the MVFC.
Don't think Murray will get an MVC invite until MO St leaves. So that's a replacement, rather than an expansion. Regardless, don't think that Summit would leave MVFC even with six. Seems to work well for everyone.
(06-29-2017 11:00 PM)Chuck_A Wrote: [ -> ]Fort Wayne still might not be ready for a move up just yet. This article tells of some of Fort Wayne's shortcomings.
But it really didn't. All the author seems to be saying -- in a very verbose, long-winded way -- is that the school doesn't spend enough.
Well, when money starts growing on trees in Fort Wayne, Indiana, I'm sure that won't be a problem ...
(07-01-2017 03:53 PM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ] (06-28-2017 09:09 AM)insomniaisevil Wrote: [ -> ]I wish IUPUI luck, but this really doesn't feel like a good addition.
(06-28-2017 10:14 AM)Chuck_A Wrote: [ -> ]If today's technical difficulties were any indication, they won't spend money on anything.
In other news today, jaded Horizon fans are jaded.
Has Oakland, with their tiny arena, been a bad addition to the Horizon? IU Indy is exactly the same type of institution as UI Chicago is. It has great potential, and great facilities, and hopefully will bid to host many Horizon championships, including baseball at the Triple-A professional stadium that is just south of campus.
You two need to just put that in your pipes and smoke it. Give them a couple years, then assess.
Oakland was a winning program when it was invited and has maintained that status. NKU had winning tradition at the Div 2 level and were investing in their program.
They do have good academics and are a research University as UIC is. In the HL, outside of Motor City Madness, hosting conference tournaments goes to the regular season champ, not bids. For IUPUI to do so in baseball, they'd have to have a team first (that was one of the problems fans had with IUPUI's invite).
We've accepted the Jags and will welcome them, but let us have our season of bellyaching will ya!
Ok fine!
Did not know that about HL. In my opinion, for as worthless as it is to the HL, they should allow their championships to be bid out.
The track, soccer, and swimming facilities on IU Indy campus are top notch. And again like I mentioned, and I do hope IUI starts a team, the baseball stadium just south of campus.
Quote:Push for Robert Morris
Quote:Detroit is just a fate of circumstance. They're a not so big private school in a dying city. They should have tried to get in the A-10 or Valley during their height around the turn of the century. Now they are set for a steep decline. Meanwhile, Oakland is gonna speedwalk past them as the region's principle mid-major.
There's been chatter on Detroit and the A10 over the years. Like Hofstra and Siena, it's a school I'm glad keeps getting boxed out or turned down.
I do wonder if this REALLY pushes Detroit to leave the conference. At this point, they're the only private school, and the conference is just swelling with these system or branch campuses that, for the life of me, seem to be made for recruitment and travel purposes rather than program strength.
Like, is there room in NEC, MAAC, or even AmEast? Or, heck, "right back at 'ya" and Detroit leaves for Summit?
And AmEast has been a subject of curiosity for me over the years. Like the Summit is becoming, you have these smaller state/flagship schools and some random members held up by differing institutional philosophies. AmEast lost its private trouble-maker, Boston, whereas Summit might actually have the right kind of fit with Dakota's and Denver. There are these concerns that swirl around CAAF about James Madison, Villanova, Rhode Island football feasibility, and whatnot, with Patriot looking for members; could AmEast ever revisit football sponsorship, and, were it to, could it theoretically pick off from other conferences with unhappy members?
(07-03-2017 08:08 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote: [ -> ]There's been chatter on Detroit and the A10 over the years. Like Hofstra and Siena, it's a school I'm glad keeps getting boxed out or turned down.
So much for rooting for the little guy. What makes you glad about these three not getting the call?
(07-03-2017 08:20 AM)CenterSquarEd Wrote: [ -> ] (07-03-2017 08:08 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote: [ -> ]There's been chatter on Detroit and the A10 over the years. Like Hofstra and Siena, it's a school I'm glad keeps getting boxed out or turned down.
So much for rooting for the little guy. What makes you glad about these three not getting the call?
Inconsistency.
When you compare those to the likes of Iona, Manhattan, and Vermont...you have programs who know how to succeed within their conferences over time.
I was all for Valpo, too, but it doesn't appear the conference is interested in the west anymore.
Detroit is in a winnable, Midwestern league where all teams but 2 are in a bordering state. And those 2 are within 5 hours by bus.
And this league holds its conference tournament in their backyard.
They've got it made and aren't moving anywhere unless a top 10 league comes calling.
Detroit probably thinks of the private schools in the MVC as their peers more so than their conference mates. With that said, the Horizon offers a lot of convenience and comfort. If the MVC ever decided to go to 12 with a public football school and a private nonfootball school I think Detroit would get support from the private schools--it's a new market and a big one but doesn't stretch the footprint too far.
If they are ever faced with the choice Detroit will have a toy decision on their hands.
(07-03-2017 08:08 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote: [ -> ]I do wonder if this REALLY pushes Detroit to leave the conference. At this point, they're the only private school, and the conference is just swelling with these system or branch campuses that, for the life of me, seem to be made for recruitment and travel purposes rather than program strength.
Adding a school based on on-field/on-court strength is more or less nothing but a fan base fantasy, at this point. Probably has been for some time ...
Academics, location and endowments matter.
The Horizon will move early on Robert Morris to give them an opportunity to place their football and lacrosse teams for the next year. IPFW will be taken too, as both have new arenas coming aboard.
Then the fun starts for the Summit.
(07-15-2017 09:17 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]Academics, location and endowments matter.
The Horizon will move early on Robert Morris to give them an opportunity to place their football and lacrosse teams for the next year. IPFW will be taken too, as both have new arenas coming aboard.
Then the fun starts for the Summit.
Link where Fort Wayne is planning a new stadium?