(07-25-2017 11:53 AM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]Izzo's tweet is quoting the MVFC commish as saying there is currently no 12th team they're looking at.
Divisions sound good in principle, but teams like MO St, UNI, and even W ILL, who've all been with the MVFC since Gateway days, will fight like h___ against being stuck in a divison with Dakotas ... simple as that.
W ILL might lose that argument on account of being in the Summit, but that still only gives five, and UNI and MO St won't lose that argument. Would really, really like to see E ILL come to the Summit and be put in that division, in that case.
Or, would take UNC in the Summit, but don't think that's in the cards. No moveup in the upper Midwest can afford MVFC football, either. And probably zero chance for Oral, Denver, Omaha, or Kansas City to (re)start football.
Youngstown can play in the Dakota division. They have to fly anyways. Western is the big objector.
(07-25-2017 12:12 PM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]Guys come on. Please take this BS pissing match to PM.
Why does every thread have to turn into this crap about NoDak's Montana Dakota fantasy??
He simply refuses to acknowledge the Montanas wanted a Dakota presence, as they are similar residential, research, and flagship schools. That's a primary goal of realignment, which you also refuse to ackowledge.
(07-25-2017 12:08 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 12:07 PM)dbackjon Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 12:04 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 11:53 AM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]Izzo's tweet is quoting the MVFC commish as saying there is currently no 12th team they're looking at.
Divisions sound good in principle, but teams like MO St, UNI, and even W ILL, who've all been with the MVFC since Gateway days, will fight like h___ against being stuck in a divison with Dakotas ... simple as that.
W ILL might lose that argument on account of being in the Summit, but that still only gives five, and UNI and MO St won't lose that argument. Would really, really like to see E ILL come to the Summit and be put in that division, in that case.
Or, would take UNC in the Summit, but don't think that's in the cards. No moveup in the upper Midwest can afford MVFC football, either. And probably zero chance for Oral, Denver, Omaha, or Kansas City to (re)start football.
Viverito is quoted that "a twelve team league with two divisions is attractive to us", but denied any school is being looked at. Hardly a denial.
Murray St is in and RMU is in too when the Dakotas take their balls and start a Summit only fb league with the Montanas, Idaho and EWU.
So I see you have moved the goal posts again. Now it is a Summit FB only league with the 4 Big Sky schools.
Whose's AD's Basement were you in when you heard that?
Have said that for some time. You simply refuse to listen. The Montanas and Idaho will be singing that chorus soon enough because the Big Sky simply doesn't want to be competitive, but only be cheap like NAU.
Cheap? NAU funds football fully, has a new renovated dome. And is competitive year in and out.
You are a fool.
(07-25-2017 12:16 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 12:12 PM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]Guys come on. Please take this BS pissing match to PM.
Why does every thread have to turn into this crap about NoDak's Montana Dakota fantasy??
He simply refuses to acknowledge the Montanas wanted a Dakota presence, as they are similar residential, research, and flagship schools. That's a primary goal of realignment, which you also refuse to ackowledge.
Montanas could care less about they dying Dakotas.
(07-25-2017 12:07 PM)dbackjon Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 12:04 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 11:53 AM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]Izzo's tweet is quoting the MVFC commish as saying there is currently no 12th team they're looking at.
Divisions sound good in principle, but teams like MO St, UNI, and even W ILL, who've all been with the MVFC since Gateway days, will fight like h___ against being stuck in a divison with Dakotas ... simple as that.
W ILL might lose that argument on account of being in the Summit, but that still only gives five, and UNI and MO St won't lose that argument. Would really, really like to see E ILL come to the Summit and be put in that division, in that case.
Or, would take UNC in the Summit, but don't think that's in the cards. No moveup in the upper Midwest can afford MVFC football, either. And probably zero chance for Oral, Denver, Omaha, or Kansas City to (re)start football.
Viverito is quoted that "a twelve team league with two divisions is attractive to us", but denied any school is being looked at. Hardly a denial.
Murray St is in and RMU is in too when the Dakotas take their balls and start a Summit only fb league with the Montanas, Idaho and EWU.
So I see you have moved the goal posts again. Now it is a Summit FB only league with the 4 Big Sky schools.
Whose's AD's Basement were you in when you heard that?
That part has a coherent logic to it--the Montanas (and Idaho) dump their Directional State Big Sky associates and form an alliance with the flagships-and-landgrants of the Dakotas (and Denver) under the Summit banner (with WIU, Oral Roberts and Fort Wayne as baggage.) Or maybe rename the Summit.
Is it attractive to the Montanas? I have no idea. NoDak swears it is, but five minutes ago he was swearing that the FBS WAC was happening Real Soon Now.
It moves the Montanas to a more prestigious neighborhood, it solves the Summit League's fragility (with football as a conference sport, they don't need soccer and baseball if they can't get 6 teams).
It royally screws over the MVFC who just admitted North Dakota, probably as a favor to the other Dakota schools. MVFC is down to Northern Iowa, Missouri State, Illinois State, Indiana STate, Southern Illinois and Youngstown State. (Robert Morris, or any warm-body program, would be pretty attractive at that point).
And we are supposed to think the Big Sky would just let the four schools take football out and keep all other sports in the Big Sky? Or is he thinking they will join the WAC as a first step to FBS WAC?
(07-25-2017 12:31 PM)dbackjon Wrote: [ -> ]And we are supposed to think the Big Sky would just let the four schools take football out and keep all other sports in the Big Sky? Or is he thinking they will join the WAC as a first step to FBS WAC?
I think the idea is they dump the Big Sky entirely and join the Summit League. (I don't think we're supposed to remember the FBS WAC idea.)
But why even discuss it? The Montana's don't want to leave the Big Sky. And Idaho (and ID St, Weber, NAU, and EW) want to be with the Montana's.
And the Big Sky doesn't want the Dakotas, and they don't want the Big Sky.
Why aren't we putting as much energy into discussing the Dakotas to the Big Ten, or the Montana's to the PAC??
(07-25-2017 12:14 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote: [ -> ]The Summit will add a school and they need a baseball school. Both UNC and EIU fit with EIU being the more likely add. Though having DU in the Summit does, no matter what certain posters think, put UNC in play.
I agree that the Summit needs to add a baseball school, as it may lose Fort Wayne too.
One thing is that I'm not sure I see Denver sticking around the Summit long term. It really depends on if/when they start funding and trying to be as nationally competitive in basketball as they do for their niche sports. If they do that (or better attempt to do that), they'll probably get the call up to a better basketball league. On the other hand, if they don't do that, and if one or two of the NCHC Minnesota schools decide to drop football and move to the Summit, then Denver could very much feel at home in the Summit.
In the case of Denver leaving, it would seem that adding UNC is not a great decision. But on the other hand, UNC has lots of history being in a conference with Omaha and the Dakotas.
However, any way you slice it, I can't see the downside to adding E ILL. They're already in the conference as affiliates. They play baseball. They would give W ILL a "buddy" if you will, in the Summit and in the "Summit Division" of the MVFC. It's only a matter of if the MVFC would have them, and if they could be convinced to come over. It would probably be a significant increase in travel budget.
(07-25-2017 12:15 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote: [ -> ]Youngstown can play in the Dakota division. They have to fly anyways. Western is the big objector.
OK, so that gives basically "MVC division" and "Non-MVC division". But who is the 6th for the MVC division? Are you wanting it to be Murray St?
(07-25-2017 12:34 PM)johnbragg Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 12:31 PM)dbackjon Wrote: [ -> ]And we are supposed to think the Big Sky would just let the four schools take football out and keep all other sports in the Big Sky? Or is he thinking they will join the WAC as a first step to FBS WAC?
I think the idea is they dump the Big Sky entirely and join the Summit League. (I don't think we're supposed to remember the FBS WAC idea.)
I brought up the WAC FBS idea because that was the only feasible option to go FBS at the time. Liberty has shown that a waiver is possible. The Montanas and Idaho need FBS partners that are fiscally capable and regionally near them. Why that seems so impossible for this board to comprehend is beyond me. From a Denver U blog had word that the Montanas were set to join the WAC if they didn't get the Dakotas into the Big Sky. When the Big Sky relented after the Montanas threats, the Montanas stayed FCS and in the Big Sky for a time and that time is almost up.
The MVFC would rather not have Dakota schools within it. The historical evidence agrees with me, but this history seems beyond the grasp of this board. RMU and Murray St will get in when the Dakotas leave.
(07-25-2017 12:14 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 11:38 AM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.timesonline.com/sports/colleg...18026.html
There is little doubt in my mind the Horizon wants Robert Morris for basketball. Where does RMU put their football and Lacrosse? This article mentions the MVFC, CAA, and Big South as potential football homes.
Today, there are tweets from a Fargo sportswriter that the MVFC wants twelve teams with divisions. That would likely leave out RMU, as Murray St would probably get the MVFC and MVC slots. But think the Dakota schools are gone, so maybe RMU gets in anyway.
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Viverito on expansion: "Not a 12th team we're looking at right now, but a 12 team league with two divisions would be attractive to us."
The two biggest "Dakota" schools are the MVFC and they aren't going anywhere. As for the 12th. There are only three schools the league would have any interest in if going to 12 and splitting into divisions. All three would be based on expansion of the parent league. If the MVC expands further and take a FB school, Murray State. If the Summit want to add a school with FB (UNC or EIU).
Personally I don't see the MVC expanding further unless a school like St. Louis decide to come over. The league is stable. No current members are leaving anytime soon. WSU and CU were the threats because they had both outgrown the league.
The Summit will add a school and they need a baseball school. Both UNC and EIU fit with EIU being the more likely add. Though having DU in the Summit does, no matter what certain posters think, put UNC in play.
Eastern had a hard time competing before when they were in the Gateway. Don't see them leaving the OVC. It would put their travel burden from bus rides to flights. UNC on the other hand probably makes the most sense. They have no travel partner in the Big Sky currently. Summit gets back to 10, Big Sky down to 10 and 12 in football.
Well, E ILL arguably could've competed for the MVFC title when they had Babers and Garappolo. So they're capable. Would have rivalries with all the ILL schools, and IN St is an hour away.
But anyway, you're correct that their travel would increase a lot in the Summit/MVFC-Summit Division.
I'd be happy to have UNC back in the NCC 2.0, if they're willing to follow UND back home.
http://www.mitchellrepublic.com/news/430...search-lab
Not the right thread for this, but USD is gaining major new research credentials. The MVFC doesn't care, but the Montanas and Idaho are impressed. A new Summit research consortium without W Ill and IPFW but the Montana and Idaho flagships will emerge in due time.
Here's how I would do the MVFC if they added UNC to the Summit.
Division 1
Illinois State
Indiana State
Missouri State
Northern Iowa
Southern Illinois
Western Illinois
Division 2
North Dakota
North Dakota State
Northern Colorado
South Dakota
South Dakota State
Youngstown State
Play a home and home with 3 of the opposite division, switch every 2 years like the Big 12 did. Outside of Youngstown State, travel and rivalries would be about perfect for everybody.
That lab has nothing to do with the U of SD, and the U of SD won't be credited with much (if any) research expenditures because of that lab.
A couple U of SD faculty are affiliated with a faculty group, of over 1000 faculty worldwide, that reviews/proposes experiments to run at the lab.
(07-25-2017 01:06 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote: [ -> ]Here's how I would do the MVFC if they added UNC to the Summit.
Division 1
Illinois State
Indiana State
Missouri State
Northern Iowa
Southern Illinois
Western Illinois
Division 2
North Dakota
North Dakota State
Northern Colorado
South Dakota
South Dakota State
Youngstown State
Play a home and home with 3 of the opposite division, switch every 2 years like the Big 12 did. Outside of Youngstown State, travel and rivalries would be about perfect for everybody.
Wonder if Youngstown would quit the MVFC, rather than take three guaranteed trips to Dakotas/Colorado one year and two the next year, every two years?
(07-25-2017 01:10 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ] (07-25-2017 01:08 PM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]That lab has nothing to do with the U of SD, and the U of SD won't be credited with much (if any) research expenditures because of that lab.
A couple U of SD faculty are affiliated with a faculty group, of over 1000 faculty worldwide, that reviews/proposes experiments to run at the lab.
Link required.
South Dakota Mines to the SUMMIT!
http://www.sdsmt.edu/News/SD-Mines-Resea...XeJlYTyuM8
SD Mines Researchers Play Integral Part in Deep Underground Neutrino Experiment (DUNE) at Sanford Lab
(07-25-2017 01:10 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]Link required.
Your link says as much. There are probably faculty at the U of Sioux Falls, SD Mines, Northern State, etc. who are in that group too.