08-05-2017, 10:38 PM
Oh, I could give you lots of them that haven't turned out well for the transitioning team. What I don't have - and you don't either - is documentation of what the ultimate motivation of each of those moves were.
(08-05-2017 05:23 PM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]If the decision was made to move up, then that decision was in the school's best interest, by definition. Otherwise the move would not have been made.
(08-06-2017 01:36 AM)teamvsn Wrote: [ -> ]I believe AZCats is referring to Loyola New Orleans. I think Spring Hill is Jesuit too? So they may be back, and Loyola won't be the only ones left.
I'll compile a list of obviously bad transitions tomorrow.
(08-06-2017 12:00 AM)Stugray2 Wrote: [ -> ]You do realize that is circular argument?
(08-06-2017 01:01 AM)Stugray2 Wrote: [ -> ]I could care less what SU or LU does, they are private, and they do not answer to tax payers, nor should they.
(08-06-2017 01:01 AM)Stugray2 Wrote: [ -> ]I again give you the Eastern Michigan example.
(08-06-2017 02:12 PM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ](08-06-2017 12:00 AM)Stugray2 Wrote: [ -> ]You do realize that is circular argument?
It's not in the slightest. Neither you nor teamsvn have even attempted to lay out a definition or criteria that could be used to even judge how a decision may or may not be in a school's best interests.
(08-06-2017 04:38 PM)teamvsn Wrote: [ -> ]reality doesn't match up with the rationale, suggesting that either it wasn't the real rationale or the feasibility of the rationale working out favorably was poor.
(08-06-2017 05:30 PM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]Post #262.
You can't prove the thing you're trying to prove by assuming it is true in the first place and then declaring victory.
(08-06-2017 05:40 PM)teamvsn Wrote: [ -> ]YOu said I provided no criteria. I just showed you I had.
(08-06-2017 05:39 PM)teamvsn Wrote: [ -> ]But one thing that struck me while looking at the history is how few of the leaders are still around. Many either were fired or got other jobs before the results were known.
(08-06-2017 05:39 PM)teamvsn Wrote: [ -> ]Briefly, some of the more obvious ones:
Lambuth University: This was a financially struggling small school whose administrators somehow believed that enrollment would explode if they were in the NCAA. Instead, it was likely that the additional costs of going through the membership process finished them off, or at least hastened their demise.
William Jewell: Already admitting that they are a failure in D2 by evaluating reclassifying to D3.
Malone: Considered reclassifying to D3 even before Jewell did. Since then, they've joined a solidified G-MAC instead of D3 or NAIA, and this seems a good move as far as it goes, but really they won't be any more competitive at the national level than in the last few years, but it DOES give them a shot at conference championships. Nevertheless, there's no denying that they are less able to compete in D2 than they thought they were.
Rogers State: Seems to be having trouble affording the costs of being D2. And one of their rationales for going D2 was lower costs.
http://www.claremoreprogress.com/sports/...b5e2c.html
Fresno Pacific: I know a lot of people at this school and there was a lot of drama and subterfuge involved with building support for a D2 move, including claims that they HAD to move because the GSAC and NAIA were collapsing. I met a faculty member last year who still was under this impression. And again, lower costs were one of the claimed advantages of going D2. But they barely survived the membership process, haven't been competitive, and the school is running deficits that are roughly equal to the extra money they need to spend on D2 athletics (~$2m).
Holy Names: Many problems getting through the membership process, severely uncompetitive.
I'll continue this later as I have to be somewhere. But one thing that struck me while looking at the history is how few of the leaders are still around. Many either were fired or got other jobs before the results were known.
(08-30-2017 12:44 PM)Rube Dali Wrote: [ -> ]Lone Star Conference steals 8 Heartland Conference members for next season:
http://www.lonestarconference.org/news/2...83017.aspx
Note: Newman University has no home for next season.