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I think if the Belt gets back into Florida, it will be one of the following:

1) FAU/FIU (reshuffle with C-USA, or C-USA collapse)
2) Florida Gulf Coast
3) North Florida
4) Jacksonville - unlikely they would go to full allotment of scholarships at the FCS level in the short or medium term, but if they do take that plunge, what's another 22 scholarships?


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(09-11-2016 08:37 PM)chargeradio Wrote: [ -> ]I think if the Belt gets back into Florida, it will be one of the following:

1) FAU/FIU (reshuffle with C-USA, or C-USA collapse)
2) Florida Gulf Coast
3) North Florida
4) Jacksonville - unlikely they would go to full allotment of scholarships at the FCS level in the short or medium term, but if they do take that plunge, what's another 22 scholarships?


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Jacksonville doesn't have the enrollment to sustain FBS football. They have 3,200 students and they are private.

Does anyone really want FIU or FAU back? Does anyone in this conference recruit down there? FIU has a circus clown as an Athletic Director who seems to make boneheaded decision after boneheaded decision (and I think that most of CUSA and probably some of FIU's fans will agree with that assessment). FAU is a bit better, but still, did they really fit with us? And besides, they're not going to come back to us unless they've been rejected by every other conference in FBS. In other words, the only way they come back to us if the suck really bad. Under those conditions, I doubt any of us would want them back

UNF - has an 'okay' and growing enrollment, but they don't have a big alumni base because they're kind of new. They also have virtually no history in D1, and don't even have a football team. And I don't think there's any plans to start one. I suppose Ga Southern recruits down there, but do they even want them in the conference?

FGCU - has a very small local alumni base. They also don't have a football team, no real plans for one, and I'm not sure that there's even a place for them to play.

There aren't any real options in Florida. And won't be any for a long, long, long time.

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By the way, the conference shuffle thing is just a fantasy. It really is almost impossible to pull off because every member of at least the adding conference has to be happy with how things happen or they'll start suing. You're not going to kick a few unwilling members out of conference A so conference A can raid conference B. Its very hard to pull off in practice.

A merger can happen, but even that's difficult. What needs to happen in that case is for there to be two conference that can merge in whole pieces. The Sun Belt did that with the American South. Other than that, I can't think of any other example.

So, this break all the conferences apart and put them back together again thing is exceedingly unlikely. Especially when the both conferences have a full or (more than full) complement of members.

(09-09-2016 08:22 PM)panama Wrote: [ -> ]He made some good points? You're seriously considering an FJ proposition? I will pray for you.

The general notion that UWF could be on a trajectory that eventually places them in FBS? Sure, I can go with that. I'm always up for extra prayers, though...!

(09-11-2016 09:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]So, this break all the conferences apart and put them back together again thing is exceedingly unlikely. Especially when the both conferences have a full or (more than full) complement of members.

So you're saying we should all post our ideas for the 10-16 team G5 conference we'd like to see our team in? Sounds good to me!

Man what a time to see this thread. Coming back from GSU @ USA today I went by the Blue Wahoos Stadium and saw UWF football signs everywhere. Looked on Instagram and saw they played there (dirt on the field and all).

If they get the stadium built, bring 'em in. That'd be a super close rival for USA, who will also be building a new stadium.

(09-11-2016 09:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-11-2016 08:37 PM)chargeradio Wrote: [ -> ]I think if the Belt gets back into Florida, it will be one of the following:

1) FAU/FIU (reshuffle with C-USA, or C-USA collapse)
2) Florida Gulf Coast
3) North Florida
4) Jacksonville - unlikely they would go to full allotment of scholarships at the FCS level in the short or medium term, but if they do take that plunge, what's another 22 scholarships?


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Jacksonville doesn't have the enrollment to sustain FBS football. They have 3,200 students and they are private.

Does anyone really want FIU or FAU back? Does anyone in this conference recruit down there? FIU has a circus clown as an Athletic Director who seems to make boneheaded decision after boneheaded decision (and I think that most of CUSA and probably some of FIU's fans will agree with that assessment). FAU is a bit better, but still, did they really fit with us? And besides, they're not going to come back to us unless they've been rejected by every other conference in FBS. In other words, the only way they come back to us if the suck really bad. Under those conditions, I doubt any of us would want them back

UNF - has an 'okay' and growing enrollment, but they don't have a big alumni base because they're kind of new. They also have virtually no history in D1, and don't even have a football team. And I don't think there's any plans to start one. I suppose Ga Southern recruits down there, but do they even want them in the conference?

FGCU - has a very small local alumni base. They also don't have a football team, no real plans for one, and I'm not sure that there's even a place for them to play.

There aren't any real options in Florida. And won't be any for a long, long, long time.

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By the way, the conference shuffle thing is just a fantasy. It really is almost impossible to pull off because every member of at least the adding conference has to be happy with how things happen or they'll start suing. You're not going to kick a few unwilling members out of conference A so conference A can raid conference B. Its very hard to pull off in practice.

A merger can happen, but even that's difficult. What needs to happen in that case is for there to be two conference that can merge in whole pieces. The Sun Belt did that with the American South. Other than that, I can't think of any other example.

So, this break all the conferences apart and put them back together again thing is exceedingly unlikely. Especially when the both conferences have a full or (more than full) complement of members.

The Metro and Great Midwest Conferences merged to form C-USA. Backs your point up. I can not recall another instance where two conferences traded members. All sorts of legalese there.

(09-11-2016 10:05 PM)gsumark14 Wrote: [ -> ]Man what a time to see this thread. Coming back from GSU @ USA today I went by the Blue Wahoos Stadium and saw UWF football signs everywhere. Looked on Instagram and saw they played there (dirt on the field and all).

If they get the stadium built, bring 'em in. That'd be a super close rival for USA, who will also be building a new stadium.

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So this is still happening?

(09-12-2016 07:43 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote: [ -> ]So this is still happening?

It will be announced on the 6th Tuesday in January.


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(09-12-2016 02:05 PM)chargeradio Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-12-2016 07:43 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote: [ -> ]So this is still happening?

It will be announced on the 6th Tuesday in January.


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No I mean this thread. This thread is actually still happening?

(09-11-2016 08:37 PM)chargeradio Wrote: [ -> ]I think if the Belt gets back into Florida, it will be one of the following:

1) FAU/FIU (reshuffle with C-USA, or C-USA collapse)
2) Florida Gulf Coast
3) North Florida
4) Jacksonville - unlikely they would go to full allotment of scholarships at the FCS level in the short or medium term, but if they do take that plunge, what's another 22 scholarships?


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Unless things have changed recently, Jacksonville is a non-scholarship FCS team.

(09-11-2016 10:00 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote: [ -> ]The general notion that UWF could be on a trajectory that eventually places them in FBS? Sure, I can go with that. I'm always up for extra prayers, though...!

My trajectory mid jump is the moon. Still haven't made it though.

(09-12-2016 02:28 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-12-2016 02:05 PM)chargeradio Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-12-2016 07:43 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote: [ -> ]So this is still happening?

It will be announced on the 6th Tuesday in January.


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No I mean this thread. This thread is actually still happening?

This is tame by FJ standards

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UWF puts on explosive show in home debut win

UWF draws record class to Pensacola

They seem like they are made for Division II

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(09-12-2016 02:52 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-11-2016 10:00 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote: [ -> ]The general notion that UWF could be on a trajectory that eventually places them in FBS? Sure, I can go with that. I'm always up for extra prayers, though...!

My trajectory mid jump is the moon. Still haven't made it though.

Increase student fees, and you never know.

(09-13-2016 09:51 AM)Pounce FTW Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-12-2016 02:52 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-11-2016 10:00 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote: [ -> ]The general notion that UWF could be on a trajectory that eventually places them in FBS? Sure, I can go with that. I'm always up for extra prayers, though...!

My trajectory mid jump is the moon. Still haven't made it though.

Increase student fees, and you never know.

On a base of 9500 students? Better be a heefty fee on a per student basis.

(09-13-2016 10:00 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-13-2016 09:51 AM)Pounce FTW Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-12-2016 02:52 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-11-2016 10:00 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote: [ -> ]The general notion that UWF could be on a trajectory that eventually places them in FBS? Sure, I can go with that. I'm always up for extra prayers, though...!

My trajectory mid jump is the moon. Still haven't made it though.

Increase student fees, and you never know.

On a base of 9500 students? Better be a heefty fee on a per student basis.

That's fair; I won't disagree that the moon remains quite a distance away.

(09-13-2016 10:04 AM)Pounce FTW Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-13-2016 10:00 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-13-2016 09:51 AM)Pounce FTW Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-12-2016 02:52 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-11-2016 10:00 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote: [ -> ]The general notion that UWF could be on a trajectory that eventually places them in FBS? Sure, I can go with that. I'm always up for extra prayers, though...!

My trajectory mid jump is the moon. Still haven't made it though.

Increase student fees, and you never know.

On a base of 9500 students? Better be a heefty fee on a per student basis.

That's fair; I won't disagree that the moon remains quite a distance away.

Why base of 9,500? UWF is at 13,000 and growing. That is only 3,000 behind South Alabama which is at 16,211. And well above Coastal.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...abama-1057



http://www.coastal.edu/aboutccu/

Coastal Carolina has 9,615 undergraduates. Total 10,263 students as of 2015.

Not to mention ULM is one of the smallest public schools in FBS.


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(09-13-2016 07:30 AM)FloridaJag Wrote: [ -> ]UWF puts on explosive show in home debut win

UWF draws record class to Pensacola

Thanks for the articles. You've done your homework once again my Flarda amigo.

UWF looks like a ticking timebomb of football. The panhandle area may not be South Florida but it is still loaded with talent. All UWF has to do is announce plans and they'll have solid recruits in the fold.

I believe it's a natural fit. I always praised football at South Al long before it became a reality.

1. Football crazy state
2. Fertile recruiting grounds
3. A growing university.

What's not to love? UWF appears to be South Al's younger brother that has grown a few chin whiskers but in a few years will have a beard that hipsters will envy.

Great work by you again.