(06-16-2015 01:22 PM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ] (06-16-2015 12:25 PM)mshumaker Wrote: [ -> ]Because (IMO) credit hours last year were lower than anticipated, trending similar this year and things get more expensive.
Essentially, EMU is attempting to cover a revenue shortfall FROM TUITION (not state funding) by raising the tuition per credit hour...
EMU will lose 1M next year because they exceeded the 3.2% state guidelines, but 1M is a small fraction of the state aid (I think state aid is 70M+) so we're talking say 1.5%, tops.
Not tuition! Budget cuts and forcing the students to cover more of the cost! You always side with management! Like i side in the 1990s the state covered 80% of the cost of tuition now it's around 35%! They are forcing state higher ed to become private they are trying to privatize all education!
(06-16-2015 01:39 PM)emussuperfan Wrote: [ -> ] (06-16-2015 01:22 PM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ] (06-16-2015 12:25 PM)mshumaker Wrote: [ -> ]Because (IMO) credit hours last year were lower than anticipated, trending similar this year and things get more expensive.
Essentially, EMU is attempting to cover a revenue shortfall FROM TUITION (not state funding) by raising the tuition per credit hour...
EMU will lose 1M next year because they exceeded the 3.2% state guidelines, but 1M is a small fraction of the state aid (I think state aid is 70M+) so we're talking say 1.5%, tops.
Not tuition! Budget cuts and forcing the students to cover more of the cost! You always side with management! Like i side in the 1990s the state covered 80% of the cost of tuition now it's around 35%! They are forcing state higher ed to become private they are trying to privatize all education!
I side with management (guess that means, Murphy
).
Super, all I did what take the information in a previous post (mshumaker) and added context.
Like it is middle school math: If # of credit hours go down, then tuition (per credit hour) needs to go up to produce the same amount of revenue.
My statement wasn't a statement of public policy but simple balancing a budget which everyone should know how to do...
(06-16-2015 12:33 PM)emu79 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-16-2015 12:25 PM)mshumaker Wrote: [ -> ]Because (IMO) credit hours last year were lower than anticipated, trending similar this year and things get more expensive.
And because our legislature keeps higher education funding at below the increased budgets and costs the board feels it needs to increase it higher than the increase they get from the legislature. Over time college becomes more a dream for most middle class families. At time when world competition demands a more skilled and educated workforce legislatures all across America are cutting educational funding in the name of business tax cuts. This is very short term thinking on both our politicians and the American business community.
Agree 100%
(06-16-2015 01:54 PM)mshumaker Wrote: [ -> ] (06-16-2015 12:33 PM)emu79 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-16-2015 12:25 PM)mshumaker Wrote: [ -> ]Because (IMO) credit hours last year were lower than anticipated, trending similar this year and things get more expensive.
And because our legislature keeps higher education funding at below the increased budgets and costs the board feels it needs to increase it higher than the increase they get from the legislature. Over time college becomes more a dream for most middle class families. At time when world competition demands a more skilled and educated workforce legislatures all across America are cutting educational funding in the name of business tax cuts. This is very short term thinking on both our politicians and the American business community.
+2
Agree 100%
There is a similar situation in many states. In Virginia, the legislature has cut funding for higher education many years in a row. Last session a legislator proposed a law to cut the percentage of college athletic budgets allowed to be borne by student fees. The claim was made that an ever increasing financial burden on the students is unfair and that athetic budgets are the main cause of said burden.
I don't have a problem with the legislation; it's probably a fair law, but the hypocrisy used to support it is difficult to stomach. The percentage increase in cost-to-student per degree caused by athletic fees is far outpaced by that caused by the gutting of state support of the universities.
http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/inde...means.html
But behind the smokes and mirrors the legislature in Michigan sends us in this reality:
Statement from EMU's student body president Steve Cole in reaction to the increase:
"The Eastern Michigan University Regents voted today to increase tuition for students by 7.8% for the 2015-2016 academic year. This means an increase of roughly $25 per credit hour or a total of $754 for students taking 30 credits per year. The Regents' decision was likely prompted by several factors, including the dramatic cut in State support for education.
EMU receives approximately $15 million less today from the State than it did 12 years ago, even before adjusting for inflation. That's a cut of nearly 20%. Unfortunately, increasing tuition was necessary to maintain and improve academic programs and student services.
In the future, Student Government looks forward to working with the Regents to ensure that, before making decisions of this magnitude, more campus discussion occurs and everything is being done to control costs. Given that Eastern will remain among the most affordable Michigan public universities, I hope students will continue to see Eastern as a quality, affordable option."
(06-17-2015 06:44 AM)emu79 Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/inde...means.html
But behind the smokes and mirrors the legislature in Michigan sends us in this reality:
Statement from EMU's student body president Steve Cole in reaction to the increase:
"The Eastern Michigan University Regents voted today to increase tuition for students by 7.8% for the 2015-2016 academic year. This means an increase of roughly $25 per credit hour or a total of $754 for students taking 30 credits per year. The Regents' decision was likely prompted by several factors, including the dramatic cut in State support for education.
EMU receives approximately $15 million less today from the State than it did 12 years ago, even before adjusting for inflation. That's a cut of nearly 20%. Unfortunately, increasing tuition was necessary to maintain and improve academic programs and student services.
In the future, Student Government looks forward to working with the Regents to ensure that, before making decisions of this magnitude, more campus discussion occurs and everything is being done to control costs. Given that Eastern will remain among the most affordable Michigan public universities, I hope students will continue to see Eastern as a quality, affordable option."
The state of Michigan will need to get its act together on roads and education.
One attempt was made in the spring and it failed to pass.
I have no idea where Michigan will go to get say another 1B bucks... say 1/2 for higher education and say 1/2 for roads...
Folks need to indicate where that 1B is going to come...
(06-17-2015 06:44 AM)emu79 Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/inde...means.html
But behind the smokes and mirrors the legislature in Michigan sends us in this reality:
Statement from EMU's student body president Steve Cole in reaction to the increase:
"The Eastern Michigan University Regents voted today to increase tuition for students by 7.8% for the 2015-2016 academic year. This means an increase of roughly $25 per credit hour or a total of $754 for students taking 30 credits per year. The Regents' decision was likely prompted by several factors, including the dramatic cut in State support for education.
EMU receives approximately $15 million less today from the State than it did 12 years ago, even before adjusting for inflation. That's a cut of nearly 20%. Unfortunately, increasing tuition was necessary to maintain and improve academic programs and student services.
In the future, Student Government looks forward to working with the Regents to ensure that, before making decisions of this magnitude, more campus discussion occurs and everything is being done to control costs. Given that Eastern will remain among the most affordable Michigan public universities, I hope students will continue to see Eastern as a quality, affordable option."
More teapartiers redirect it's not cost but revenue! The state keeps giving tax cuts to those that don't need it and raises taxes on those that can least afford it! Wether you call it users fees, tuition, or what ever it's still a tax my another name! It's not the boards fault its those teapublicans in Lansing! We are going the way of Arizona, Wisconsin and Kansas!
But that will take new taxes. The fact is that individual taxpayers already saw their taxes raised by 1.8 billion by removing many deductions, exemptions and credits so business taxes could be cut in a supply side economic move to "create more jobs.". So now 66% of Michigan businesses pay no business tax.
Years ago Engler started giving out job tax credits to create jobs as well, the Democrat Jennifer G. greatly increased these especially to the auto companies during the 2008 recession. Gov. Rick correctly said lets stop picking winners and losers and cut the tax rate for every Michigan business and stop issuing job tax credits, BUT then he issued about a $1 billion dollars more. So while our legislature was bragging about rainy day funds and budget surpluses they then discovered that if all these job credits were honored and cashed in the state budget would show a deficit for years to come. Why? There is over $6 billion in job credits. Businesses also received reduced unemployment benefits and property tax relief.
So what did the individual income tax payer get? A legislative proposal that would have raised the sales tax and gas tax and taken more money out of their pockets. With regards to the roads the truth came out that the diesel fuel tax paid by truckers hadn't been increased since 1982 and that Michigan allows the highest weight for trucks in the country and weight enforcement has been very effective. Prop 1 gets voted down.
There is an interesting proposal to add Michigan to the 35 other states in the country with a progressive income tax that would raise about $760 million more a year. That an the diesel fuel tax and modest increases in registration fees would raise close to a billion per year for roads. That may free up more money for education and other items.
The fact is the tax burden in Michigan is split unfairly in my humble opinion on the individual taxpayers vs. the corporate. Look at the federal budget something the amount of revenue from corporate taxes vs. individual since Eisenhower warned us about the industrial military complex. There has been a huge tax shift from the corporate taxpayers to the individual.
No matter what party you belong to some of these facts are very troubling for Michigan's future. Just like at the federal level at some point you need to look at revenue enhancements like just spending cuts.
(06-16-2015 12:33 PM)emu79 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-16-2015 12:25 PM)mshumaker Wrote: [ -> ]Because (IMO) credit hours last year were lower than anticipated, trending similar this year and things get more expensive.
And because our legislature keeps higher education funding at below the increased budgets and costs the board feels it needs to increase it higher than the increase they get from the legislature. Over time college becomes more a dream for most middle class families. At time when world competition demands a more skilled and educated workforce legislatures all across America are cutting educational funding in the name of business tax cuts. This is very short term thinking on both our politicians and the American business community.
Couldn't agree more! Those that got a nearly free education are now demanding those that it's time for people to start paying the full cost!
Raising the minimum wage to at least add millions in revenue without raising taxes.
Without getting into the merits of where the $ comes (I don't live in MI so I don't really have skin in the game), but we really aren't talking big, big bucks.
I believe the state of MI budget is around 55B.
I propose to add 1B added equally to higher education and roads Or maybe 1.5B again split evenly.
EMU gets around 70M from the state. Up that 10% and the tuition increase could easily be say 1.5% which is the rate of inflation...
How to come up with 1.0 - 1.5B, I'll let others decide.
The one thing about roads (roads on an EMU forum????), is that much spending on many roads and bridges is federal/state match money. E.g., 100M state dollars might earn 400M in federal funds for a total of 500M project which is sweet.
From today's Detroit News:
Joel Ferguson, chairman of the MSU Board of Trustees, said that’s because the state slashed support to public universities years ago, and the funding has not been fully restored.
“We’re among the lowest states in the nation for state funding,” said Ferguson, pointing to reports by the College Board showing that Michigan is fifth from the bottom nationally.
And you're correct Steve you don't live here and don't pay taxes here. No disrespect but its easy for you to talk about budget increases when it doesn't come out of your own pocket. I appreciate your views on many topics and I honestly am not trying to flame you here with my response.
Super and I live here, work here, pay taxes here, have our families here and some of my children are in college. For example did you know why MSU crows about its athletic programs its DEAD last in the Big 10 in what it pays its grad associates for research and development?
(06-17-2015 07:37 AM)emu79 Wrote: [ -> ]From today's Detroit News:
Joel Ferguson, chairman of the MSU Board of Trustees, said that’s because the state slashed support to public universities years ago, and the funding has not been fully restored.
“We’re among the lowest states in the nation for state funding,” said Ferguson, pointing to reports by the College Board showing that Michigan is fifth from the bottom nationally.
And you're correct Steve you don't live here and don't pay taxes here. No disrespect but its easy for you to talk about budget increases when it doesn't come out of your own pocket. I appreciate your views on many topics and I honestly am not trying to flame you here with my response.
Super and I live here, work here, pay taxes here, have our families here and some of my children are in college. For example did you know why MSU crows about its athletic programs its DEAD last in the Big 10 in what it pays its grad associates for research and development?
Yep, I recused myself from the 'how to pay' debate.
But I don't think there is ANY debate that MI needs to SIGNFICANTLY increase funds for roads/bridges and higher education...
One thing about budgets and taxes and lies and damn lies.
To go from 55M to 56M is 1.8% increase. For the sake of simplicity, let's assume all state revenue came from income taxes (or else this post would be pages long in computational formulas). 55M to 56M is 1.8% increase. If the income tax is 6%, a 2% increase in it (06. x 1.02 = ~6.1%). So raising income taxes 0.1% would fund roads and higher education. 6.15 would be sweeter.
It would get demagogued to death. It would be billed as a 2% hike (instead of 2% of the 6% which would be about 0.1%).
Eighth grade math would get demagogued to death... 0.1% increase would be billed as a 2% increase.
(06-17-2015 07:37 AM)emu79 Wrote: [ -> ]From today's Detroit News:
Joel Ferguson, chairman of the MSU Board of Trustees, said that’s because the state slashed support to public universities years ago, and the funding has not been fully restored.
“We’re among the lowest states in the nation for state funding,” said Ferguson, pointing to reports by the College Board showing that Michigan is fifth from the bottom nationally.
And you're correct Steve you don't live here and don't pay taxes here. No disrespect but its easy for you to talk about budget increases when it doesn't come out of your own pocket. I appreciate your views on many topics and I honestly am not trying to flame you here with my response.
Super and I live here, work here, pay taxes here, have our families here and some of my children are in college. For example did you know why MSU crows about its athletic programs its DEAD last in the Big 10 in what it pays its grad associates for research and development?
One reason I made my post is context.
I tried to point out that MI has about a 1.5B shortfall in roads/higher education (that's my number, not any published number; I'm sure some would like 1B extra for each higher education and roads/bridges) to get to a REASONABLE LEVEL. The budget is 55B (Freep article states 54.6B).
One thing is if the economy continues to grow can state revenues increase by 1 - 2B? What kind of state economic growth is necessary to increase revenues by those amounts?
I'm not the least bit surprised by the state of MI's problems funding roads and education. Basically MI's economy and finances basically was in trouble for a long time and went to hell during 2008. The Washington Post did an excellent article on the decline of Detroit and automobile employment in Detroit, Wayne County and Michigan... The article was about Detroit, but the state wasn't immune from those same forces and problems. (I should be able to find it).
And it will take years to become totally strong.
what is Champion's debt service that is earmarked at 600k for the next two years but not the current year?
(06-16-2015 11:58 AM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]David Jesse @reporterdavidj · 26m26 minutes ago
BREAKING: Eastern Michigan University to raise tuition 7.8%. Exceeds state tuition cap off 3.2%. Board to vote at 1:30 meeting. @freep
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That's a big increase. Why?
Hello, Oakland. It's your turn...
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/lo.../29822941/
I skimmed the article but it mentions the increases by Wayne State (2013), EMU (2015) and now OU (2015).
Article makes the point that state funding has dropped from 71% to less than 20% for this particular university (this is a point other posters have made in this thread related to EMU, etc.).
(07-07-2015 02:02 PM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ] (06-16-2015 11:58 AM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]David Jesse @reporterdavidj · 26m26 minutes ago
BREAKING: Eastern Michigan University to raise tuition 7.8%. Exceeds state tuition cap off 3.2%. Board to vote at 1:30 meeting. @freep
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That's a big increase. Why?
Hello, Oakland. It's your turn...
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/lo.../29822941/
I skimmed the article but it mentions the increases by Wayne State (2013), EMU (2015) and now OU (2015).
Article makes the point that state funding has dropped from 71% to less than 20% for this particular university (this is a point other posters have made in this thread related to EMU, etc.).
Oakland just raised theirs 8.8%