Now we can keep it somewhat separate. Okay this is what i was told from a department head. All departments will do budgets which takes into consideration a 20 to 40 percent cut in funding, ALL departments! This is do the failure of prop 1! What Lansing will do is cut higher ed by 20 to 40 percent or 900 million and get rid of the tuition cap. If this is done most if not all public colleges and universities will be looking at going private because the funding from Lansing will be next to nothing and not worth the rules and regulations to stay public. Lansing is going to cut higher ed funding you can bet money on it. There is only 5.4 billion in discretionary spending and 1.6 billion of that is higher ed. So it comes down cutting funding for police and prisons or higher ed. They will not raise taxes that is another bet you can make.[/align]

(06-05-2015 10:07 AM)emussuperfan Wrote:  Now we can keep it somewhat separate. Okay this is what i was told from a department head. All departments will do budgets which takes into consideration a 20 to 40 percent cut in funding, ALL departments! This is do the failure of prop 1! What Lansing will do is cut higher ed by 20 to 40 percent or 900 million and get rid of the tuition cap. If this is done most if not all public colleges and universities will be looking at going private because the funding from Lansing will be next to nothing and not worth the rules and regulations to stay public. Lansing is going to cut higher ed funding you can bet money on it. There is only 5.4 billion in discretionary spending and 1.6 billion of that is higher ed. So it comes down cutting funding for police and prisons or higher ed. They will not raise taxes that is another bet you can make.[/align]

I worked in the federal government over 30 years and I'll tell you we heard all of the time that this or that would happen unless this or that happens and rarely do they happen.

Typically what happens is that the 'worst case scenario' is put out and folks speculate it to death and then when 'push comes to shove' the real consequences are much, much less and sometimes nothing at all.

People read proposed budgets, even passed budgets (which would get vetoed), etc. and folks learn which ones have a snow ball's chance of coming to fruition.

Best I can tell from reading the Detroit papers Lansing is not going to take a meat cleaver to higher education funding.

As I posted in the other thread, EMU is getting more dollars from Lansing next fiscal year then last fiscal year...

(06-05-2015 05:28 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(06-05-2015 10:07 AM)emussuperfan Wrote:  Now we can keep it somewhat separate. Okay this is what i was told from a department head. All departments will do budgets which takes into consideration a 20 to 40 percent cut in funding, ALL departments! This is do the failure of prop 1! What Lansing will do is cut higher ed by 20 to 40 percent or 900 million and get rid of the tuition cap. If this is done most if not all public colleges and universities will be looking at going private because the funding from Lansing will be next to nothing and not worth the rules and regulations to stay public. Lansing is going to cut higher ed funding you can bet money on it. There is only 5.4 billion in discretionary spending and 1.6 billion of that is higher ed. So it comes down cutting funding for police and prisons or higher ed. They will not raise taxes that is another bet you can make.[/align]

I worked in the federal government over 30 years and I'll tell you we heard all of the time that this or that would happen unless this or that happens and rarely do they happen.

Typically what happens is that the 'worst case scenario' is put out and folks speculate it to death and then when 'push comes to shove' the real consequences are much, much less and sometimes nothing at all.

People read proposed budgets, even passed budgets (which would get vetoed), etc. and folks learn which ones have a snow ball's chance of coming to fruition.

Best I can tell from reading the Detroit papers Lansing is not going to take a meat cleaver to higher education funding.

As I posted in the other thread, EMU is getting more dollars from Lansing next fiscal year then last fiscal year...

More dollars is meaningless. I betting on the meat clever. They already had 6 years to do a fix and the best they could do was prop one. Lansing is even more teapartierish so it's another year of nothing or the meat clever they have the votes to use the meat clever. Having 2 business degrees i to know about budgets and know that the ones that are produced under a lot of pressure are the worst.

So the state budget comes out. It's about the same last years. They robbed peter to pay paul basicly like always, same old same old. No real money for roads just a minor increase, same for education, 1.2% . They didn't address the real road situation just enough to get it through October. This budget doesn't address real needs nor does solve any problems . Just passing the buck down the road a few months.

(06-08-2015 10:06 AM)emussuperfan Wrote:  So the state budget comes out. It's about the same last years. They robbed peter to pay paul basicly like always, same old same old. No real money for roads just a minor increase, same for education, 1.2% . They didn't address the real road situation just enough to get it through October. This budget doesn't address real needs nor does solve any problems . Just passing the buck down the road a few months.

That maybe true (and I agree it is probably true) but that still does not imply a meat cleaver to higher education in 2016/17 and beyond.

BTW, if I read the EMU budget correctly, state funding is approximately 1/4 of the budget. So a 1/4 reduction (i.e. reduce state funding by 25%) of 1/4 would be a 1/16 reduction in the total funds. That's about 7% reduction. Bad but not the end of the world.

It would hit athletics, though, I'd think.

(06-08-2015 11:56 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 10:06 AM)emussuperfan Wrote:  So the state budget comes out. It's about the same last years. They robbed peter to pay paul basicly like always, same old same old. No real money for roads just a minor increase, same for education, 1.2% . They didn't address the real road situation just enough to get it through October. This budget doesn't address real needs nor does solve any problems . Just passing the buck down the road a few months.

That maybe true (and I agree it is probably true) but that still does not imply a meat cleaver to higher education in 2016/17 and beyond.

BTW, if I read the EMU budget correctly, state funding is approximately 1/4 of the budget. So a 1/4 reduction (i.e. reduce state funding by 25%) of 1/4 would be a 1/16 reduction in the total funds. That's about 7% reduction. Bad but not the end of the world.

It would hit athletics, though, I'd think.

They have to come up with the 1.5 billion so don't keep your hopes up, they have till October now to come with the funding. This 400 million only covers till then.

Hm,:

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

(06-10-2015 09:48 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Hm,:

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

I sorted the list by percentage of contribution. We were 25th out of 230.

In terms of total dollars, the MAC schools are contributing big, big bucks (NO surprise). (One can click on the column heading and get the data sorted descending order).

Surprisingly, maybe not, but schools like UConn, Cincy, etc. very good programs but in a conference without great TV revenues are getting huge subsidies... Like, hello, UConn won the NCAA men's basketball tourney in 2014. They aren't small time...

As we know, the P5 are doing very, very well and the rest 'not too good...'

(06-10-2015 09:56 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 09:48 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Hm,:

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

I sorted the list by percentage of contribution. We were 25th out of 230.

In terms of total dollars, the MAC schools are contributing big, big bucks (NO surprise). (One can click on the column heading and get the data sorted descending order).

Surprisingly, maybe not, but schools like UConn, Cincy, etc. very good programs but in a conference without great TV revenues are getting huge subsidies... Like, hello, UConn won the NCAA men's basketball tourney in 2014. They aren't small time...

As we know, the P5 are doing very, very well and the rest 'not too good...'

True we are 25 in terms of %, but I believe we are the only D1 (or whatever you call it now) school in the top 48.

David Jesse ‏@reporterdavidj · 26m26 minutes ago
BREAKING: Eastern Michigan University to raise tuition 7.8%. Exceeds state tuition cap off 3.2%. Board to vote at 1:30 meeting. @freep

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That's a big increase. Why?

Wowza. Glad I graduated.

Because (IMO) credit hours last year were lower than anticipated, trending similar this year and things get more expensive.

(06-16-2015 12:25 PM)mshumaker Wrote:  Because (IMO) credit hours last year were lower than anticipated, trending similar this year and things get more expensive.

And because our legislature keeps higher education funding at below the increased budgets and costs the board feels it needs to increase it higher than the increase they get from the legislature. Over time college becomes more a dream for most middle class families. At time when world competition demands a more skilled and educated workforce legislatures all across America are cutting educational funding in the name of business tax cuts. This is very short term thinking on both our politicians and the American business community.

Back in the 90s when the state was covering 80% of the cost the right eing whine was " we need to make students more responsible and to make the universities more cost effective and cut wasteful dpending". Now the state barely covers 35% of the cost driving millions in to needless life time debt and those states that slash higher ed the most claim that education isn't needed. While corporations yell there isn't a high enough educated work force and demand that states allow higher immigration limits for those that have a higher educational degree!

(06-16-2015 11:58 AM)emu steve Wrote:  David Jesse ‏@reporterdavidj · 26m26 minutes ago
BREAKING: Eastern Michigan University to raise tuition 7.8%. Exceeds state tuition cap off 3.2%. Board to vote at 1:30 meeting. @freep

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That's a big increase. Why?

Because the cost of higher education keeps going up and the state funding stays the same or goes down. In the 1990s the state covered 80 % of the tuition now it's around 35%.

I told you so! And the state's not through they still need to come up with 1.5 billion that 400 billion was only to cover the budget for the rest of this year.

(06-16-2015 12:47 PM)emussuperfan Wrote:  I told you so! And the state's not through they still need to come up with 1.5 billion that 400 billion was only to cover the budget for the rest of this year.

Told us what?

7.8% increased approved, per Jeremy Allen of MLive.

(06-16-2015 12:25 PM)mshumaker Wrote:  Because (IMO) credit hours last year were lower than anticipated, trending similar this year and things get more expensive.

Essentially, EMU is attempting to cover a revenue shortfall FROM TUITION (not state funding) by raising the tuition per credit hour...

EMU will lose 1M next year because they exceeded the 3.2% state guidelines, but 1M is a small fraction of the state aid (I think state aid is 70M+) so we're talking say 1.5%, tops.

(06-16-2015 12:49 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(06-16-2015 12:47 PM)emussuperfan Wrote:  I told you so! And the state's not through they still need to come up with 1.5 billion that 400 billion was only to cover the budget for the rest of this year.

Told us what?

Read! Half right so far.