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(06-07-2015 04:41 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-07-2015 11:38 AM)chess Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-26-2015 03:22 PM)USFRamenu Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-26-2015 11:56 AM)Stay Cool Wrote: [ -> ]NIU to the B12 isn't as big a pipe dream as people think...

http://cfn.scout.com/2/1547507.html

TV market >>> attendance, although i think both are definitely considered in the decision.

And to think, some "still think we are the Big East" idiots on the AAC board scoff at NIU to the AAC...

*not all people on the AAC board are idiots, but there are a few solid nut jobs*

Are you suggesting that I'm an idiot for telling you the truth? I guess I'll just have to stop supporting NIU to the American in my threads. 05-mafia

As for your chances? They stink. You're up against people who've acquired multi-million dollar and in some cases Billion dollar empires. They care little for what you or I think. Now, I know for certain that most people who've acquired huge sums of money have done so in part the old fashion way, they inherited it. That's right, many of these people have no more education then most of the posters whom visit these boards. Yet, their opinions matter because they have money.

I find that hilarious to a fault. A chimpanzee can acquire a fortune as long as he/she has a continuous income, maintains a low overhead and doesn't spend to excess. Unfortunately, many of us do have to spend our money and start out life with less and of course inherit less. Such are the facts of life and Big business. You can catch a break here and there but if you miss it, there's no certainty that you'll catch another. 07-coffee3

I am sorry. You are incorrect.

If something happens to the Big XII OR Iowa State and Kansas State somehow gain power in the Big XII, Northern Illinois could be called up. Why? Because Northern Illinois offers a voting partner. NIU could be part of a compromise to add something Texas and Oklahoma wants.

If the Big XII breaks up- schools like Texas and Oklahoma will be fine. It is a school like Iowa State that will freak out. Do you remember the rumors that Kansas, Kansas State, and Iowa State were in talks with the former Big East football schools? That's where a school like NIU could find their positioning.
If is the biggest two letter word in the dictionary. "If" your scenario plays out those schools left behind better think long and hard which schools they add if they want to still be considered a p-5 conference. I don't think a school from the MAC carries that type of panache. Besides it would take more than Iowa and Kanas St to vote them in, 2 out of 8 won't get er done. However, more unlikely things have occurred in this crazy mixed up world. These decisions would more than likely be made by TV executives whispering in the ear of school presidents.
If TV execs are calling the shots you've gotta think NIU is a huge candidate then...
(06-07-2015 06:43 PM)Stay Cool Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-07-2015 04:41 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-07-2015 11:38 AM)chess Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-26-2015 03:22 PM)USFRamenu Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-26-2015 11:56 AM)Stay Cool Wrote: [ -> ]NIU to the B12 isn't as big a pipe dream as people think...

http://cfn.scout.com/2/1547507.html

TV market >>> attendance, although i think both are definitely considered in the decision.

And to think, some "still think we are the Big East" idiots on the AAC board scoff at NIU to the AAC...

*not all people on the AAC board are idiots, but there are a few solid nut jobs*

Are you suggesting that I'm an idiot for telling you the truth? I guess I'll just have to stop supporting NIU to the American in my threads. 05-mafia

As for your chances? They stink. You're up against people who've acquired multi-million dollar and in some cases Billion dollar empires. They care little for what you or I think. Now, I know for certain that most people who've acquired huge sums of money have done so in part the old fashion way, they inherited it. That's right, many of these people have no more education then most of the posters whom visit these boards. Yet, their opinions matter because they have money.

I find that hilarious to a fault. A chimpanzee can acquire a fortune as long as he/she has a continuous income, maintains a low overhead and doesn't spend to excess. Unfortunately, many of us do have to spend our money and start out life with less and of course inherit less. Such are the facts of life and Big business. You can catch a break here and there but if you miss it, there's no certainty that you'll catch another. 07-coffee3

I am sorry. You are incorrect.

If something happens to the Big XII OR Iowa State and Kansas State somehow gain power in the Big XII, Northern Illinois could be called up. Why? Because Northern Illinois offers a voting partner. NIU could be part of a compromise to add something Texas and Oklahoma wants.

If the Big XII breaks up- schools like Texas and Oklahoma will be fine. It is a school like Iowa State that will freak out. Do you remember the rumors that Kansas, Kansas State, and Iowa State were in talks with the former Big East football schools? That's where a school like NIU could find their positioning.
If is the biggest two letter word in the dictionary. "If" your scenario plays out those schools left behind better think long and hard which schools they add if they want to still be considered a p-5 conference. I don't think a school from the MAC carries that type of panache. Besides it would take more than Iowa and Kanas St to vote them in, 2 out of 8 won't get er done. However, more unlikely things have occurred in this crazy mixed up world. These decisions would more than likely be made by TV executives whispering in the ear of school presidents.
If TV execs are calling the shots you've gotta think NIU is a huge candidate then...

There are so many variables to consider, though. it isn't just about winning and losing.

Does Northern Illinois offer more than Old Dominion or Massachusetts or UTSA? Well, it depends on who is being partnered with the school.

We can make the same argument for Georgia State- a large school located in Atlanta and is opportunity, too.
(06-07-2015 06:57 PM)chess Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-07-2015 06:43 PM)Stay Cool Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-07-2015 04:41 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-07-2015 11:38 AM)chess Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-26-2015 03:22 PM)USFRamenu Wrote: [ -> ]Are you suggesting that I'm an idiot for telling you the truth? I guess I'll just have to stop supporting NIU to the American in my threads. 05-mafia

As for your chances? They stink. You're up against people who've acquired multi-million dollar and in some cases Billion dollar empires. They care little for what you or I think. Now, I know for certain that most people who've acquired huge sums of money have done so in part the old fashion way, they inherited it. That's right, many of these people have no more education then most of the posters whom visit these boards. Yet, their opinions matter because they have money.

I find that hilarious to a fault. A chimpanzee can acquire a fortune as long as he/she has a continuous income, maintains a low overhead and doesn't spend to excess. Unfortunately, many of us do have to spend our money and start out life with less and of course inherit less. Such are the facts of life and Big business. You can catch a break here and there but if you miss it, there's no certainty that you'll catch another. 07-coffee3

I am sorry. You are incorrect.

If something happens to the Big XII OR Iowa State and Kansas State somehow gain power in the Big XII, Northern Illinois could be called up. Why? Because Northern Illinois offers a voting partner. NIU could be part of a compromise to add something Texas and Oklahoma wants.

If the Big XII breaks up- schools like Texas and Oklahoma will be fine. It is a school like Iowa State that will freak out. Do you remember the rumors that Kansas, Kansas State, and Iowa State were in talks with the former Big East football schools? That's where a school like NIU could find their positioning.
If is the biggest two letter word in the dictionary. "If" your scenario plays out those schools left behind better think long and hard which schools they add if they want to still be considered a p-5 conference. I don't think a school from the MAC carries that type of panache. Besides it would take more than Iowa and Kanas St to vote them in, 2 out of 8 won't get er done. However, more unlikely things have occurred in this crazy mixed up world. These decisions would more than likely be made by TV executives whispering in the ear of school presidents.
If TV execs are calling the shots you've gotta think NIU is a huge candidate then...

There are so many variables to consider, though. it isn't just about winning and losing.

Does Northern Illinois offer more than Old Dominion or Massachusetts or UTSA? Well, it depends on who is being partnered with the school.

We can make the same argument for Georgia State- a large school located in Atlanta and is opportunity, too.
Georgia st doesn't offer iowa the travel partner NIU does
(06-07-2015 06:43 PM)Stay Cool Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-07-2015 04:41 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-07-2015 11:38 AM)chess Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-26-2015 03:22 PM)USFRamenu Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-26-2015 11:56 AM)Stay Cool Wrote: [ -> ]NIU to the B12 isn't as big a pipe dream as people think...

http://cfn.scout.com/2/1547507.html

TV market >>> attendance, although i think both are definitely considered in the decision.

And to think, some "still think we are the Big East" idiots on the AAC board scoff at NIU to the AAC...

*not all people on the AAC board are idiots, but there are a few solid nut jobs*

Are you suggesting that I'm an idiot for telling you the truth? I guess I'll just have to stop supporting NIU to the American in my threads. 05-mafia

As for your chances? They stink. You're up against people who've acquired multi-million dollar and in some cases Billion dollar empires. They care little for what you or I think. Now, I know for certain that most people who've acquired huge sums of money have done so in part the old fashion way, they inherited it. That's right, many of these people have no more education then most of the posters whom visit these boards. Yet, their opinions matter because they have money.

I find that hilarious to a fault. A chimpanzee can acquire a fortune as long as he/she has a continuous income, maintains a low overhead and doesn't spend to excess. Unfortunately, many of us do have to spend our money and start out life with less and of course inherit less. Such are the facts of life and Big business. You can catch a break here and there but if you miss it, there's no certainty that you'll catch another. 07-coffee3

I am sorry. You are incorrect.

If something happens to the Big XII OR Iowa State and Kansas State somehow gain power in the Big XII, Northern Illinois could be called up. Why? Because Northern Illinois offers a voting partner. NIU could be part of a compromise to add something Texas and Oklahoma wants.

If the Big XII breaks up- schools like Texas and Oklahoma will be fine. It is a school like Iowa State that will freak out. Do you remember the rumors that Kansas, Kansas State, and Iowa State were in talks with the former Big East football schools? That's where a school like NIU could find their positioning.
If is the biggest two letter word in the dictionary. "If" your scenario plays out those schools left behind better think long and hard which schools they add if they want to still be considered a p-5 conference. I don't think a school from the MAC carries that type of panache. Besides it would take more than Iowa and Kanas St to vote them in, 2 out of 8 won't get er done. However, more unlikely things have occurred in this crazy mixed up world. These decisions would more than likely be made by TV executives whispering in the ear of school presidents.
If TV execs are calling the shots you've gotta think NIU is a huge candidate then...
Hey I like NIU, I really do, however, I also realize the difference between being located 60 miles outside of a large market, and actually having penetration into that market. If NIU can't draw from that large market enough to bring more than 20k fans to their stadium, I don't know that it bodes well for them to penetrate the Chicago market in any meaningful way. But by all means pimp on! I like your tenacity.
Right now, the Big 12 doesn't have anyone that they consider a must have.

I think ECU fits in and maybe UC and UCF but the Big 12 disagrees with me.

If you can't get 20K in the stands, you are not even close to being on the radar.
Say what you want about my alma mater's merits for P5 inclusion but what is clearly indisputable is that there is absolutely nothing about our game day atmosphere and our passion for football in general that is lacking.







(06-07-2015 09:10 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-07-2015 06:43 PM)Stay Cool Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-07-2015 04:41 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-07-2015 11:38 AM)chess Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-26-2015 03:22 PM)USFRamenu Wrote: [ -> ]Are you suggesting that I'm an idiot for telling you the truth? I guess I'll just have to stop supporting NIU to the American in my threads. 05-mafia

As for your chances? They stink. You're up against people who've acquired multi-million dollar and in some cases Billion dollar empires. They care little for what you or I think. Now, I know for certain that most people who've acquired huge sums of money have done so in part the old fashion way, they inherited it. That's right, many of these people have no more education then most of the posters whom visit these boards. Yet, their opinions matter because they have money.

I find that hilarious to a fault. A chimpanzee can acquire a fortune as long as he/she has a continuous income, maintains a low overhead and doesn't spend to excess. Unfortunately, many of us do have to spend our money and start out life with less and of course inherit less. Such are the facts of life and Big business. You can catch a break here and there but if you miss it, there's no certainty that you'll catch another. 07-coffee3

I am sorry. You are incorrect.

If something happens to the Big XII OR Iowa State and Kansas State somehow gain power in the Big XII, Northern Illinois could be called up. Why? Because Northern Illinois offers a voting partner. NIU could be part of a compromise to add something Texas and Oklahoma wants.

If the Big XII breaks up- schools like Texas and Oklahoma will be fine. It is a school like Iowa State that will freak out. Do you remember the rumors that Kansas, Kansas State, and Iowa State were in talks with the former Big East football schools? That's where a school like NIU could find their positioning.
If is the biggest two letter word in the dictionary. "If" your scenario plays out those schools left behind better think long and hard which schools they add if they want to still be considered a p-5 conference. I don't think a school from the MAC carries that type of panache. Besides it would take more than Iowa and Kanas St to vote them in, 2 out of 8 won't get er done. However, more unlikely things have occurred in this crazy mixed up world. These decisions would more than likely be made by TV executives whispering in the ear of school presidents.
If TV execs are calling the shots you've gotta think NIU is a huge candidate then...
Hey I like NIU, I really do, however, I also realize the difference between being located 60 miles outside of a large market, and actually having penetration into that market. If NIU can't draw from that large market enough to bring more than 20k fans to their stadium, I don't know that it bodes well for them to penetrate the Chicago market in any meaningful way. But by all means pimp on! I like your tenacity.
be the change you wanna see right? Im really hoping the scheduling upgrades will show people that NIU DOES have a fan base that just was sick of watching bad teams. Ohio st for football and basketball next year, boston college for football, and plenty of other great teams coming in soon should make a huge difference.
(06-07-2015 11:54 PM)Stay Cool Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-07-2015 09:10 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-07-2015 06:43 PM)Stay Cool Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-07-2015 04:41 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-07-2015 11:38 AM)chess Wrote: [ -> ]I am sorry. You are incorrect.

If something happens to the Big XII OR Iowa State and Kansas State somehow gain power in the Big XII, Northern Illinois could be called up. Why? Because Northern Illinois offers a voting partner. NIU could be part of a compromise to add something Texas and Oklahoma wants.

If the Big XII breaks up- schools like Texas and Oklahoma will be fine. It is a school like Iowa State that will freak out. Do you remember the rumors that Kansas, Kansas State, and Iowa State were in talks with the former Big East football schools? That's where a school like NIU could find their positioning.
If is the biggest two letter word in the dictionary. "If" your scenario plays out those schools left behind better think long and hard which schools they add if they want to still be considered a p-5 conference. I don't think a school from the MAC carries that type of panache. Besides it would take more than Iowa and Kanas St to vote them in, 2 out of 8 won't get er done. However, more unlikely things have occurred in this crazy mixed up world. These decisions would more than likely be made by TV executives whispering in the ear of school presidents.
If TV execs are calling the shots you've gotta think NIU is a huge candidate then...
Hey I like NIU, I really do, however, I also realize the difference between being located 60 miles outside of a large market, and actually having penetration into that market. If NIU can't draw from that large market enough to bring more than 20k fans to their stadium, I don't know that it bodes well for them to penetrate the Chicago market in any meaningful way. But by all means pimp on! I like your tenacity.
be the change you wanna see right? Im really hoping the scheduling upgrades will show people that NIU DOES have a fan base that just was sick of watching bad teams. Ohio st for football and basketball next year, boston college for football, and plenty of other great teams coming in soon should make a huge difference.

How much weed do you smoke a day? Lol

Chicago= Pro Sports market. Just like, Boston, LA, NYC, Philly, Miami.

Keep pimpin. Someday you'll figure out how to relate the Blackhawks success to NIU.
(06-08-2015 12:15 AM)utpotts Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-07-2015 11:54 PM)Stay Cool Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-07-2015 09:10 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-07-2015 06:43 PM)Stay Cool Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-07-2015 04:41 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote: [ -> ]If is the biggest two letter word in the dictionary. "If" your scenario plays out those schools left behind better think long and hard which schools they add if they want to still be considered a p-5 conference. I don't think a school from the MAC carries that type of panache. Besides it would take more than Iowa and Kanas St to vote them in, 2 out of 8 won't get er done. However, more unlikely things have occurred in this crazy mixed up world. These decisions would more than likely be made by TV executives whispering in the ear of school presidents.
If TV execs are calling the shots you've gotta think NIU is a huge candidate then...
Hey I like NIU, I really do, however, I also realize the difference between being located 60 miles outside of a large market, and actually having penetration into that market. If NIU can't draw from that large market enough to bring more than 20k fans to their stadium, I don't know that it bodes well for them to penetrate the Chicago market in any meaningful way. But by all means pimp on! I like your tenacity.
be the change you wanna see right? Im really hoping the scheduling upgrades will show people that NIU DOES have a fan base that just was sick of watching bad teams. Ohio st for football and basketball next year, boston college for football, and plenty of other great teams coming in soon should make a huge difference.

How much weed do you smoke a day? Lol

Chicago= Pro Sports market. Just like, Boston, LA, NYC, Philly, Miami.

Keep pimpin. Someday you'll figure out how to relate the Blackhawks success to NIU.
Drug free bro-dimaggio...

Unless you count ambien, purely for sleeping aid
(06-08-2015 12:15 AM)utpotts Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-07-2015 11:54 PM)Stay Cool Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-07-2015 09:10 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-07-2015 06:43 PM)Stay Cool Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-07-2015 04:41 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote: [ -> ]If is the biggest two letter word in the dictionary. "If" your scenario plays out those schools left behind better think long and hard which schools they add if they want to still be considered a p-5 conference. I don't think a school from the MAC carries that type of panache. Besides it would take more than Iowa and Kanas St to vote them in, 2 out of 8 won't get er done. However, more unlikely things have occurred in this crazy mixed up world. These decisions would more than likely be made by TV executives whispering in the ear of school presidents.
If TV execs are calling the shots you've gotta think NIU is a huge candidate then...
Hey I like NIU, I really do, however, I also realize the difference between being located 60 miles outside of a large market, and actually having penetration into that market. If NIU can't draw from that large market enough to bring more than 20k fans to their stadium, I don't know that it bodes well for them to penetrate the Chicago market in any meaningful way. But by all means pimp on! I like your tenacity.
be the change you wanna see right? Im really hoping the scheduling upgrades will show people that NIU DOES have a fan base that just was sick of watching bad teams. Ohio st for football and basketball next year, boston college for football, and plenty of other great teams coming in soon should make a huge difference.

How much weed do you smoke a day? Lol

Chicago= Pro Sports market. Just like, Boston, LA, NYC, Philly, Miami.

Keep pimpin. Someday you'll figure out how to relate the Blackhawks success to NIU.

You are correct. Chicago is a pro sports market. Well, except for Notre Dame. And Michigan. And Ohio State. And Wisconsin. And Illinois. And... Well, you get the picture. It is a professional sports here.
(06-07-2015 09:28 PM)RaiderRed Wrote: [ -> ]Right now, the Big 12 doesn't have anyone that they consider a must have.

I think ECU fits in and maybe UC and UCF but the Big 12 disagrees with me.

If you can't get 20K in the stands, you are not even close to being on the radar.


For tv viewerships? All 4 of them are equal. I think people are still stuck on the old days. Many of the P5 schools have also been in decline in getting people in the seats. They tried realignment which I could tell that did not work. The P5 are trying to raid each other's conferences for schools, and usually picked the wrong schools.

The PAC 12 gets an F for inviting Colorado.
The ACC gets a complete F from top to bottom. None of their expansion school except for Louisville are not doing good.
These conferences need to throw away the old ways and go after schools that are hot right now. They don't have to give full shares.
(06-08-2015 12:18 AM)Stay Cool Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-08-2015 12:15 AM)utpotts Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-07-2015 11:54 PM)Stay Cool Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-07-2015 09:10 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-07-2015 06:43 PM)Stay Cool Wrote: [ -> ]If TV execs are calling the shots you've gotta think NIU is a huge candidate then...
Hey I like NIU, I really do, however, I also realize the difference between being located 60 miles outside of a large market, and actually having penetration into that market. If NIU can't draw from that large market enough to bring more than 20k fans to their stadium, I don't know that it bodes well for them to penetrate the Chicago market in any meaningful way. But by all means pimp on! I like your tenacity.
be the change you wanna see right? Im really hoping the scheduling upgrades will show people that NIU DOES have a fan base that just was sick of watching bad teams. Ohio st for football and basketball next year, boston college for football, and plenty of other great teams coming in soon should make a huge difference.

How much weed do you smoke a day? Lol

Chicago= Pro Sports market. Just like, Boston, LA, NYC, Philly, Miami.

Keep pimpin. Someday you'll figure out how to relate the Blackhawks success to NIU.
Drug free bro-dimaggio...

Unless you count ambien, purely for sleeping aid

That explains it. My buddies wife used to take ambian, get out of bed vacuum, cook and clean and the next day forget the whole thing. I fear you've popped a few ambians and then got on here and wrote above about NiU's merits for Big 12 inclusion.
(06-08-2015 07:07 AM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-07-2015 09:28 PM)RaiderRed Wrote: [ -> ]Right now, the Big 12 doesn't have anyone that they consider a must have.

I think ECU fits in and maybe UC and UCF but the Big 12 disagrees with me.

If you can't get 20K in the stands, you are not even close to being on the radar.


For tv viewerships? All 4 of them are equal. I think people are still stuck on the old days. Many of the P5 schools have also been in decline in getting people in the seats. They tried realignment which I could tell that did not work. The P5 are trying to raid each other's conferences for schools, and usually picked the wrong schools.

The PAC 12 gets an F for inviting Colorado.
The ACC gets a complete F from top to bottom. None of their expansion school except for Louisville are not doing good.
These conferences need to throw away the old ways and go after schools that are hot right now. They don't have to give full shares.
I'd be down for that
Okay, I'm taking off work today so here's a longwinded post for my pitch on why ECU should get the nod.

If the recent tectonic shifts throughout the landscape that is intercollegiate athletics has taught us anything it is that sitting on one's hands makes one weaker. Some conferences have too often been operating under the misguided belief that it is shrewd to wait for better opportunities than what's currently available. Predictably, in my biased opinion, ECU has better attributes to offer the Big XII than any of the other candidates.

Many of the so-called experts and pundits fail to simply look back at recent history. When Louisville, Cincinnati, and USF were brought in out of Conference USA back in 2003, many were calling for the AQ tag to be relinquished by the Big East. However, for the most part those schools were in the top half of the Big East's pecking order in football.

The brandishing of the P5 tag could do wonders for a team like ECU. In fact, ECU is a more developed and refined product then those schools were in 2003. Cincinnati was essentially a Conference USA doormat with ECU holding an all-time 12-6 advantage to this day. The ECU-Louisville series was usually heated and basically even over the years and USF didn’t even have a football program until the 90s.

Now, Louisville and Cincinnati have Big East conference championships and BCS bowl games under their belts while USF at one point rose to #2 in the national polls. Louisville is in the ACC, nuff said.

TCU has had a similar rise to success although it was more merit based in terms of what they accomplished before jumping to a 'power' conference. Nonetheless until they went to the MWC they were essentially on ECU's level (ECU was 2-1 against TCU head to head as C-USA members).

Notwithstanding all of the success attained by these 4 schools, ECU still has consistently outdrawn Cincinnati, USF & even TCU in attendance and on television screens and is almost right on par with Louisville in those two categories.

Just think about that, ECU still outdraws TCU despite not having as good of an on the field product here lately and despite playing C-USA & AAC teams over the last few years. One can only imagine what ECU (who averages nearly 50,000 a game in a G5 conference) could do if they received the resources and exposure that intrinsically accompanies P5 status.

I see a lot of posters talk about how USF, UC, UCONN, UH & SMU were once in a 'Power' conference as a method of persuasion to convince us that they may be more deserving of P5 inclusion or to show that they were more slighted by recent developments. What they fail to mention is that prior to the early 90s the CFB landscape was flooded with powerful independents and ECU was right there with them. We often played and beat many D-1 Independents in our region of the country like South Carolina, Miami, Syracuse, VT, Penn St., Pitt, FSU, WVU, Louisville, etc. In fact, we nearly joined a conference with many of those schools in 1990 that would have been one of the toughest conferences out there if it had come to fruition (see below).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_Confe...conference

Many people would be shocked to discover that in the early 90s right when WVU, Virginia Tech & South Carolina were jumping from the independent ranks and into the Big East and SEC respectively, ECU actually had the better football program of those schools and was arguably the best football program in the Carolinas and Virginias during that period. ECU held a 4-3 series lead at that point against VT and had won two years in a row over the Hokies and ECU actually beat South Carolina 4 out of 5 times in the 90s (WV's Don Nelson led teams of the early 90s were nothing to brag about either). Moreover, the Pirates were just recently coming off an 11-1 season where they finished ranked #9 overall and had beaten the likes of South Carolina, Syracuse (a team that beat Ohio Sate and SEC champ Florida and finished #11), Pittsburg, Virginia Tech, Cincinnati, and an NC State squad in the Peach bowl that also finished the season ranked (a team that finished 2nd in the ACC that year).

If ECU had gotten the big break that the Hokies, WVU and South Carolina did back then it would be hard to argue that ECU wouldn’t be in a comparable position to where those schools are now. Before Big East inclusion, Frank Beamer was holding on by a thread with a 17-26-1 over-all record. Like Greenville, Blacksburg isn’t exactly a booming metropolis. Like Virginia Tech, WVU & South Carolina, ECU is a football first institution with a passionate fan base.

The old myth about media markets not being up to par for ECU is absolutely ludicrous and bogus and is really attributed to the misguided algorithms and philosophies of a Big East basketball conference that destroyed itself with such fiction and procrastination. If their logic was sound then the Big East would still be a 'power' conference and the SEC wouldn’t be one as it was founded by and currently thrives with football first schools, with rabid fans, in small southern college towns. Granted that many of those SEC schools are the flagship schools of their state with longstanding tradition but that doesn't change the fact that ECU has more longstanding football tradition than any other candidate and is exactly what the Big XII needs in order to grow revenue: a football school, in a new region, with tons of fans, that has a vastly underrated growth potential. It's not about what market you can claim, it's about interest level, butts in seats, and viewership in new areas of the country.

ECU already draws more eyes to TV screens then NCSU does in NCSU’s own hometown of Raleigh. ECU comes in as a close 2nd behind UNC in viewership in Charlotte despite having 4 ACC teams in between them and that city. ECU is the fastest growing institution in the state and is currently the third biggest university in North Carolina (i.e., lots of alums that care).

In the current NCAA landscape, football is the undisputed champion in terms of revenue and fan interest. The Big XII seems to be scared of the public perception that would go along with adding a few G5 programs. What their leadership is failing to understand is that instead of looking at the eagerness of teams like ECU to join as a weakness it should recognize that it needs a school that wants to be there that badly and that brings what Big XII football is all about: passion, excitement, an administration committed to do whatever it takes, and a traditionally solid fan base that is thirsty for football prominence and is truly already the best football program in our state despite the intrinsic disadvantages we face (we have beaten the ACC 5x in a row now including beating NCSU 2x, blowing UNC out the last 2 years and a win over VT). In fact we have a 9-6 record against our biggest rival NCSU since 1983.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Caroli...te_rivalry

No other eastern candidate can even claim to be the football power of their respective state and no other candidate has the history ECU has of consistently playing and beating big time programs over the last 25 to 35 years. We also have a long history with WVU (their fans love coming down to Greenville and we're the only G5 program that they have willingly played home & home over the years) and we would be the backbone of an 'eastern wing' that would generate more interest and money.

It's kind of crazy that ECU even has a legitimate claim of being the football power in a top 10 populated state 17 years after the advent of the BCS system that was created and designed to keep teams like ECU out of such discussions. The fact that ECU takes a backseat to nobody in our state is a testament to our large loyal fan base and is a true indication of our value and potential as a P5 prospect.

The strength is in numbers right now. The Big XII’s best option is to take ECU now and they should also bring in UC, UCF and Memphis.

What other option does it have other then to wait to be further picked apart by the vultures and scavengers that make up this post-apocalyptic Darwinist college football world that we are living in today; a system that violates the Sherman Antitrust Act by monopolizing America’s favorite sport with the primary goal of limiting competition (but we’ll save that rant for another day).

At this moment, the Big XII cannot do better then adding an ECU program that almost sells out every game, is about to increase its capacity to 60,000, has been to bowls 8 out 9 years, traditionally plays national powers tough, is in an emerging market, and has an SEC/Big XII-type state of mind, accomplishing all of this in a G5 world on the outside looking in. Just imagine what is capable if ECU gets to eat at the big boys table, we would certainly make a play as the predominant team in our entire region (Carolinas/Virginias) once again and we would bring much needed value to the Big XII.
(06-08-2015 12:06 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote: [ -> ]Many people would be shocked to discover that in the early 90s right when WVU, Virginia Tech & South Carolina were jumping from the independent ranks and into the Big East and SEC respectively, ECU actually had the better football program of those schools and was arguably the best football program in the Carolinas and Virginias during that period.
So ECU played for a national championship sometime around the early 1990s? I never knew that.

WVU did play for a national championship in 1988. ECU never has.

So I seriously doubt anyone will believe your rant about ECU having a better football program than WVU in the early 1990s. WVU had undefeated regular seasons in 1998 and 1993, and played Notre Dame for the National Championship in the 1989 Fiesta Bowl. I think that's got anything ECU did during that time frame topped.

I rather doubt anyone seriously believes ECU was better than VT in the early 1990s either. Beamer had built them up pretty good by then, and in 1995 VT finished the regular season ranked #13 in the BCS poll. That tops ECU's accomplishments during that time span as well.

When did ECU have an undefeated regular season during that time span?
When did ECU have an undefeated regular season - ever?
When did ECU finish ranked in the top 15 during that time frame?
When did ECU finish ranked in the top 15 - ever?

South Carolina I'll give you. They weren't much to speak of at that time. They were marking time waiting Steve Spurrier to get tired of Florida.

OK. Rant over. I don't mind advertising. But at least get the facts straight.
Bones -

You make a strong argument for ECU to be a playah in this Brave New World of college conference alignment. I don't refute anything you say, mostly because yours is the most thorough analysis I've read about ECU's college athletics.

As far as the BigTX's choices now (stasis) and the future (expansion with lesser-resourced schools), who's to say they aren't doing everything according to script? They could be riding out their contract and lining their pockets, all the while knowing they have safe landing spots in the 4 other well-resourced conferences. That makes as much sense as anything, really.

Thanks for the background on ECU's football history.
(06-08-2015 12:33 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-08-2015 12:06 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote: [ -> ]Many people would be shocked to discover that in the early 90s right when WVU, Virginia Tech & South Carolina were jumping from the independent ranks and into the Big East and SEC respectively, ECU actually had the better football program of those schools and was arguably the best football program in the Carolinas and Virginias during that period.
So ECU played for a national championship sometime around the early 1990s? I never knew that.

WVU did play for a national championship in 1988. ECU never has.

So I seriously doubt anyone will believe your rant about ECU having a better football program than WVU in the early 1990s. WVU had undefeated regular seasons in 1998 and 1993, and played Notre Dame for the National Championship in the 1989 Fiesta Bowl. I think that's got anything ECU did during that time frame topped.

I rather doubt anyone seriously believes ECU was better than VT in the early 1990s either. Beamer had built them up pretty good by then, and in 1995 VT finished the regular season ranked #13 in the BCS poll. That tops ECU's accomplishments during that time span as well.

When did ECU have an undefeated regular season during that time span?
When did ECU have an undefeated regular season - ever?
When did ECU finish ranked in the top 15 during that time frame?
When did ECU finish ranked in the top 15 - ever?

South Carolina I'll give you. They weren't much to speak of at that time. They were marking time waiting Steve Spurrier to get tired of Florida.

OK. Rant over. I don't mind advertising. But at least get the facts straight.

WVU has a had a great program that I respect greatly but I was referring to the early 90s when WVU had a losing record over the course of 3 seasons in 1990,91 &'92. WVU then had a great season in '93 despite being blown out by the only elite competition they faced in Florida 41-7. Subsequently they went back to being fairly average including in '95 when ECU beat them & even '99 when ECU & David Garrard beat Marc Bulger in Charlotte. I'm not arguing that WVU doesn't have a superior program to ECU, I was just arguing that ECU at times has been better and that we had a lot of momentum at different points in the 90s that could have elevated us to elite status if we could have caught the breaks that VT, WVU & South Carolina did during that era in terms of conference alignment.

As far as VT is concerned. What I said was that when VT got the nod ECU's program was better at that point. We had a slim lead in the overall series and had beat them 2 years in a row.

And to address your point about ECU having a top 15 team during that time, we did finish #9 in 1992 in both polls & we had other top 25 teams in the 90s as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_East_C...tball_team

Again, I'm not claiming that ECU is elite, I'm just asserting that we have remained solid over the years, we have tremendous fan support and we have great potential.
Amazing post and breakdown! I am thankful you had the day off lol
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