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(02-26-2014 05:14 PM)westwolf Wrote: [ -> ]Hey, Uconn
The ship has sailed, and Susan Herbst helped it cast off.

WTH are you talking about?

(02-26-2014 10:55 PM)C Marlow Wrote: [ -> ]

That's great! It still doesn't answer the question asked.

(02-26-2014 04:10 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-26-2014 02:59 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote: [ -> ]The Eastern Conference that Penn State wanted would have been interesting to see.
Penn State
Pittsburgh
Temple
West Virginia
Maryland
Rutgers
Boston College
Syracuse

It would have then been interesting to see what the ACC would have done in response to losing Maryland. Would they have added Virginia Tech? Make peace with South Carolina? Stay at 7? Maybe go for Miami and Florida State who were just emerging at the time.

Maryland to a northeast conference would've been a no go from the get go, unless the administrators at the school acted opaquely and suppressed public opinion by breaking state open meeting laws.

The year is 1980. The ACC has just finished a twenty year period in which exactly one school ('76 Maryland) has earned an invitation to play in a major bowl. By comparison, Pitt has won a football National Championship in 1976, finished number 2 in 1979, and Penn State played Bama for the National Championship in 1978. You are already playing multiyear football series with Penn State, WVU and Syracuse.

In basketball, the ACC has won two national championships in basketball EVER ('57 UNC, '74 NC St). Syracuse ('75) and Rutgers ('76) have been to recent Final Fours, and Pitt ('74) to an Elite 8. Temple and Boston College have both been to the NCAA's recently in an era when invites are handed out stingily. The Carrier Dome is under construction and Syracuse has been to 8 straight NCAA tourneys.

Sorry, but at that point in time, bottom line, the Paterno Conference looks way better than the ACC.

(02-27-2014 02:20 PM)orangefan Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-26-2014 04:10 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-26-2014 02:59 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote: [ -> ]The Eastern Conference that Penn State wanted would have been interesting to see.
Penn State
Pittsburgh
Temple
West Virginia
Maryland
Rutgers
Boston College
Syracuse

It would have then been interesting to see what the ACC would have done in response to losing Maryland. Would they have added Virginia Tech? Make peace with South Carolina? Stay at 7? Maybe go for Miami and Florida State who were just emerging at the time.

Maryland to a northeast conference would've been a no go from the get go, unless the administrators at the school acted opaquely and suppressed public opinion by breaking state open meeting laws.

In basketball, the ACC has won two national championships in basketball EVER ('57 UNC, '74 NC St). Syracuse ('75) and Rutgers ('76) have been to recent Final Fours, and Pitt ('74) to an Elite 8. Temple and Boston College have both been to the NCAA's recently in an era when invites are handed out stingily. The Carrier Dome is under construction and Syracuse has been to 8 straight NCAA tourneys.

Sorry, but at that point in time, bottom line, the Paterno Conference looks way better than the ACC.

The ACC had a significant advantage in basketball. Maryland, Duke, UNC, NC State and Clemson all made the tournament in 1980. Syracuse was the only "Paterno League" team that did.

(02-27-2014 02:20 PM)orangefan Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-26-2014 04:10 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-26-2014 02:59 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote: [ -> ]The Eastern Conference that Penn State wanted would have been interesting to see.
Penn State
Pittsburgh
Temple
West Virginia
Maryland
Rutgers
Boston College
Syracuse

It would have then been interesting to see what the ACC would have done in response to losing Maryland. Would they have added Virginia Tech? Make peace with South Carolina? Stay at 7? Maybe go for Miami and Florida State who were just emerging at the time.

Maryland to a northeast conference would've been a no go from the get go, unless the administrators at the school acted opaquely and suppressed public opinion by breaking state open meeting laws.

The year is 1980. The ACC has just finished a twenty year period in which exactly one school ('76 Maryland) has earned an invitation to play in a major bowl. By comparison, Pitt has won a football National Championship in 1976, finished number 2 in 1979, and Penn State played Bama for the National Championship in 1978. You are already playing multiyear football series with Penn State, WVU and Syracuse.

In basketball, the ACC has won two national championships in basketball EVER ('57 UNC, '74 NC St). Syracuse ('75) and Rutgers ('76) have been to recent Final Fours, and Pitt ('74) to an Elite 8. Temple and Boston College have both been to the NCAA's recently in an era when invites are handed out stingily. The Carrier Dome is under construction and Syracuse has been to 8 straight NCAA tourneys.

Sorry, but at that point in time, bottom line, the Paterno Conference looks way better than the ACC.

In 1980, college football in the northeast was Penn State and Syracuse. Like I stated above, Maryland was content in the ACC.

(02-27-2014 04:07 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-27-2014 02:20 PM)orangefan Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-26-2014 04:10 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-26-2014 02:59 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote: [ -> ]The Eastern Conference that Penn State wanted would have been interesting to see.
Penn State
Pittsburgh
Temple
West Virginia
Maryland
Rutgers
Boston College
Syracuse

It would have then been interesting to see what the ACC would have done in response to losing Maryland. Would they have added Virginia Tech? Make peace with South Carolina? Stay at 7? Maybe go for Miami and Florida State who were just emerging at the time.

Maryland to a northeast conference would've been a no go from the get go, unless the administrators at the school acted opaquely and suppressed public opinion by breaking state open meeting laws.

The year is 1980. The ACC has just finished a twenty year period in which exactly one school ('76 Maryland) has earned an invitation to play in a major bowl. By comparison, Pitt has won a football National Championship in 1976, finished number 2 in 1979, and Penn State played Bama for the National Championship in 1978. You are already playing multiyear football series with Penn State, WVU and Syracuse.

In basketball, the ACC has won two national championships in basketball EVER ('57 UNC, '74 NC St). Syracuse ('75) and Rutgers ('76) have been to recent Final Fours, and Pitt ('74) to an Elite 8. Temple and Boston College have both been to the NCAA's recently in an era when invites are handed out stingily. The Carrier Dome is under construction and Syracuse has been to 8 straight NCAA tourneys.

Sorry, but at that point in time, bottom line, the Paterno Conference looks way better than the ACC.

In 1980, college football in the northeast was Penn State and Syracuse. Like I stated above, Maryland was content in the ACC.

More fair to say Penn State and Pitt dominated the East at that time. Both were perennial Top 10/Major Bowl teams at a time when the ACC had none.

The Paterno League could have been very similar to the Big 8.

(02-27-2014 04:11 PM)orangefan Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-27-2014 04:07 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-27-2014 02:20 PM)orangefan Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-26-2014 04:10 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-26-2014 02:59 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote: [ -> ]The Eastern Conference that Penn State wanted would have been interesting to see.
Penn State
Pittsburgh
Temple
West Virginia
Maryland
Rutgers
Boston College
Syracuse

It would have then been interesting to see what the ACC would have done in response to losing Maryland. Would they have added Virginia Tech? Make peace with South Carolina? Stay at 7? Maybe go for Miami and Florida State who were just emerging at the time.

Maryland to a northeast conference would've been a no go from the get go, unless the administrators at the school acted opaquely and suppressed public opinion by breaking state open meeting laws.

The year is 1980. The ACC has just finished a twenty year period in which exactly one school ('76 Maryland) has earned an invitation to play in a major bowl. By comparison, Pitt has won a football National Championship in 1976, finished number 2 in 1979, and Penn State played Bama for the National Championship in 1978. You are already playing multiyear football series with Penn State, WVU and Syracuse.

In basketball, the ACC has won two national championships in basketball EVER ('57 UNC, '74 NC St). Syracuse ('75) and Rutgers ('76) have been to recent Final Fours, and Pitt ('74) to an Elite 8. Temple and Boston College have both been to the NCAA's recently in an era when invites are handed out stingily. The Carrier Dome is under construction and Syracuse has been to 8 straight NCAA tourneys.

Sorry, but at that point in time, bottom line, the Paterno Conference looks way better than the ACC.

In 1980, college football in the northeast was Penn State and Syracuse. Like I stated above, Maryland was content in the ACC.

More fair to say Penn State and Pitt dominated the East at that time. Both were perennial Top 10/Major Bowl teams at a time when the ACC had none.

I was hesitant to include Pitt, because I don't recall Pitt being eastern oriented like Penn State. Who were Pitt's traditional eastern opponents prior to 1980?

(02-27-2014 04:30 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote: [ -> ]I was hesitant to include Pitt, because I don't recall Pitt being eastern oriented like Penn State. Who were Pitt's traditional eastern opponents prior to 1980?

Penn State, West Virginia and Syracuse. Notre Dame was their fourth major rival. They also played Army and Navy regularly and started playing Temple in the early 70's when Temple began to upgrade their program. BC and Rutgers did not become regulars until the I-A/I-AA split.

At that time, Syracuse was struggling a bit (.500 +/-). McPherson came in 1981 but took a few years to raise the program to a top 20 level. Side note: 1982 was one of the worst years in program history to that point, but in hindsight we played Tony Eason (Illinois), Napoleon McCallum (Navy), Todd Blackledge and Curt Warner (Penn St.), Jeff Hostetler (WVU), Boomer Esiason (Maryland), Doug Flutie (BC) and Dan Marino (Pitt) that year. I think Indiana even had a QB that made the NFL.

Orange fan is right, Pitt was entirely eastern except for their annual game with ND for almost the entire history of their program. They played Syracuse, PSU, WVU, Army, Navy and Temple almost every year.

(02-27-2014 07:11 PM)MKPitt Wrote: [ -> ]Orange fan is right, Pitt was entirely eastern except for their annual game with ND for almost the entire history of their program. They played Syracuse, PSU, WVU, Army, Navy and Temple almost every year.

I think Pitt and Syracuse first played in 1918. I maybe wrong but I remember reading that someplace.

(02-27-2014 07:55 PM)texasorange Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-27-2014 07:11 PM)MKPitt Wrote: [ -> ]Orange fan is right, Pitt was entirely eastern except for their annual game with ND for almost the entire history of their program. They played Syracuse, PSU, WVU, Army, Navy and Temple almost every year.

I think Pitt and Syracuse first played in 1918. I maybe wrong but I remember reading that someplace.

Close, it was 1916 according to college football data warehouse. The three schools Pitt played that year that are still D-1 were Penn State, Syracuse, and Navy. The other five schools were Pennsylvania schools that are no longer playing FBS football.

(02-27-2014 08:32 PM)MKPitt Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-27-2014 07:55 PM)texasorange Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-27-2014 07:11 PM)MKPitt Wrote: [ -> ]Orange fan is right, Pitt was entirely eastern except for their annual game with ND for almost the entire history of their program. They played Syracuse, PSU, WVU, Army, Navy and Temple almost every year.

I think Pitt and Syracuse first played in 1918. I maybe wrong but I remember reading that someplace.

Close, it was 1916 according to college football data warehouse. The three schools Pitt played that year that are still D-1 were Penn State, Syracuse, and Navy. The other five schools were Pennsylvania schools that are no longer playing FBS football.

I went off memory, sorry!

(02-27-2014 07:11 PM)MKPitt Wrote: [ -> ]Orange fan is right, Pitt was entirely eastern except for their annual game with ND for almost the entire history of their program. They played Syracuse, PSU, WVU, Army, Navy and Temple almost every year.

Except for some years in the 1940s when it de-emphasized football, got rid of recruiting, and placed its program under Big 10 rules (and played almost a full B10 schedule). Otherwise, Pitt has been entirely Eastern oriented in all sports (and non-sports) for the entirety of its history.

Pitt's 15 most played football opponents are...
1. WVU 104
2. Penn State 96
3. Syracuse 69
3. Notre Dame 69
5. Navy 39
6. Temple 36
7. Miami, FL 33
7. W&J (PA) 33
9. Rutgers 30
9. Carnegie Mellon 30
11. Boston College 29
12. Army 27
13. Ohio State 25
14. Nebraska 24
15. Duke 18
15. Geneva (PA) 18

In men's basketball, the 15 most played are...
1. WVU 184
2. Penn State 146
3. Carnegie Mellon 124
4. Syracuse 104
5. Duquesne 82
6. Westminster (PA) 81
7. Georgetown 77
8. Villanova 65
9. UConn 61
10. Notre Dame 59
11. St. John's 58
12. Seton Hall 53
13. Rutgers 48
13. Providence 48
15. Boston College 47

For many of us (for me say around 1976 onward) in the northeast without a primary school, our rooting interest went:
1. Notre Dame.
2. Then, any eastern indy with a chance at a national title, interchangable year to year... the eastern indies with a national pulse included Penn State... then Pitt... then Boston College, West Virginia. Syracuse was weak back then.

In terms of eastern indy contenders, it went:
2a. Penn State. Almost every year. Sugars vs Alabama sucked. Sugar vs Herschel great. Fiesta vs Miami (Fla) was great.
...
then...
2b. Pitt. With Dorsett. Always solid but never really contended after that, though Marino made Sugar. [edit-- great years at least through 82]
2c. BC contended with Flutie in 84, won a Cotton.
...
then not until I was in college for:
2d. West Virginia with Major Harris. Played for title, but it was vs Notre Dame so we rooted for the Irish.
2e. Syracuse in the year with the Pat Dye Sugar Bowl.
...
2f. Rutgers, Army, Navy... not factors...
...
here in 2014, as a hoops fan, and with Notre Dame bailing on the Big East, I've found myself with way less interest in the Irish. I think I've been following Navy first now, then the PAC-12 generally (good weather, cheerleaders, plus i can watch late Saturday games from west coast more easily). Kinda a fan without a school (other than Navy).

(02-28-2014 08:17 AM)billyjack Wrote: [ -> ]For many of us (for me say around 1976 onward) in the northeast without a primary school, our rooting interest went:
1. Notre Dame.
2. Then, any eastern indy with a chance at a national title, interchangable year to year... the eastern indies with a national pulse included Penn State... then Pitt... then Boston College, West Virginia. Syracuse was weak back then.

In terms of eastern indy contenders, it went:
2a. Penn State. Almost every year. Sugars vs Alabama sucked. Sugar vs Herschel great. Fiesta vs Miami (Fla) was great.
...
then...
2b. Pitt. With Dorsett. Always solid but never really contended after that, though Marino made Sugar.
2c. BC contended with Flutie in 84, won a Cotton.
...
then not until I was in college for:
2d. West Virginia with Major Harris. Played for title, but it was vs Notre Dame so we rooted for the Irish.
2e. Syracuse in the year with the Pat Dye Sugar Bowl.
...
2f. Rutgers, Army, Navy... not factors...
...
here in 2014, as a hoops fan, and with Notre Dame bailing on the Big East, I've found myself with way less interest in the Irish. I think I've been following Navy first now, then the PAC-12 generally (good weather, cheerleaders, plus i can watch late Saturday games from west coast more easily). Kinda a fan without a school (other than Navy).

Just to clarify about Pitt's success after Dorsett, they were 33-3 from 1979-1981 finishing 7th, 2nd, and 4th in the national rankings in 1979-1981 so they were elite for several years later. They fell off in the mid-80's. When discussions about Joe Pa's Eastern League and Big East admission was happening, Pitt was a major national power that stacked up against any program in the country. That's what made PSU's arrogance even more frustrating.

(02-28-2014 08:17 AM)billyjack Wrote: [ -> ]For many of us (for me say around 1976 onward) in the northeast without a primary school, our rooting interest went:
1. Notre Dame.

Agreed. I grew up in Rutgers' backyard in the 1970s and recall Princeton, Lehigh and Lafayette as being Rutgers' traditional rivals. So, we rooted for Notre Dame football. But, with respect to basketball, the ACC was popular.

(02-28-2014 09:34 AM)MKPitt Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-28-2014 08:17 AM)billyjack Wrote: [ -> ]For many of us (for me say around 1976 onward) in the northeast without a primary school, our rooting interest went:
1. Notre Dame.
2. Then, any eastern indy with a chance at a national title, interchangable year to year... the eastern indies with a national pulse included Penn State... then Pitt... then Boston College, West Virginia. Syracuse was weak back then.

In terms of eastern indy contenders, it went:
2a. Penn State. Almost every year. Sugars vs Alabama sucked. Sugar vs Herschel great. Fiesta vs Miami (Fla) was great.
...
then...
2b. Pitt. With Dorsett. Always solid but never really contended after that, though Marino made Sugar.
2c. BC contended with Flutie in 84, won a Cotton.
...
then not until I was in college for:
2d. West Virginia with Major Harris. Played for title, but it was vs Notre Dame so we rooted for the Irish.
2e. Syracuse in the year with the Pat Dye Sugar Bowl.
...
2f. Rutgers, Army, Navy... not factors...
...
here in 2014, as a hoops fan, and with Notre Dame bailing on the Big East, I've found myself with way less interest in the Irish. I think I've been following Navy first now, then the PAC-12 generally (good weather, cheerleaders, plus i can watch late Saturday games from west coast more easily). Kinda a fan without a school (other than Navy).

Just to clarify about Pitt's success after Dorsett, they were 33-3 from 1979-1981 finishing 7th, 2nd, and 4th in the national rankings in 1979-1981 so they were elite for several years later. They fell off in the mid-80's. When discussions about Joe Pa's Eastern League and Big East admission was happening, Pitt was a major national power that stacked up against any program in the country. That's what made PSU's arrogance even more frustrating.

Yeah, good call. Went from memory. Just checked their roster. Hugh Green was fantastic. Plus Marino. Great era from 79 to 81. Even in 82 they started great, and had a #1 ranking midseason. Great teams. Looks like Jimbo Covert (85 Bears) was in Marino's class too. (Chris Doleman was awesome too)

Here's another article saying that the Big East Catholic Schools
made a mistake breaking away and signing with Fox:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidlarivie...ournament/