(02-25-2014 10:28 AM)HuskyU Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2014 09:12 AM)C Marlow Wrote: [ -> ] (02-24-2014 10:18 PM)HuskyU Wrote: [ -> ] (02-24-2014 10:10 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ]No crush. Disgust.
"BC pitched a fit and cost us our rightful ACC spot"
"Forde tipped Louisville off and cost us our rightful ACC spot"
Nah, it didn't have anything to do with the fact that UCONN football is, was, and probably always will be mediocre at best. Or the fact that the CT Attorney General was the front man for the lawsuit against the ACC, several ACC members, and officials at several schools. That your university resides in a recruiting wasteland that offers no benefits for the schools in this conference that care about football. That you play in a usually half empty 40k stadium on an airfield 25 miles from campus. Nah, it was always something underhanded from some other school to deny you.
I like how you take quotes from one poster and make that your basis for an entire fan-base. You are precious. 
That's a misleading statement. Not sure if you are being intentionally misleading or not though.
Go to the Boneyard and look at what UCONN fans believe. The majority of fans think exactly like this. Only a minority of fans believe that UCONN has legitimate deficiencies that need to be ironed out prior to gaining inclusion to a P5 conference. Most will blame "The Flipper", Forde, Pitt, Syracuse, BC and UL for "stealing/denying what was rightfully theirs" as opposed looking at the situation objectively.
I am a Boneyard member so I know what you are talking about. While I agree that a lot of fans there blame certain entities (which differ person to person), most also believe there are certain issues that need to be worked out - a lot having to do with the football program's growth/university endowment/relationship building.
I'm not being misleading in my post as I was referring to the quotes he brought up. The 2 quotes were from the same UCONN fan on here, who tends to bring it up more often than other UCONN posters on this site. I've noticed that most UCONN fans here don't go off unless someone tries to throw shade our way (such as the Calhoun comments earlier in this thread). If he has an issue with UCONN fans on another site then perhaps he should bring it up on that site.
I'd say yes and no. You are technically correct in that "all UCONN fans who frequent this specific forum within the CSNBBS" may not think like this and that the UCONN fan in question is an isolated case. However, if you look at UCONN fans in general amongst the various sites out there - with The Boneyard being an obvious place to start - Kaploney is correct. It looks like there is a large enough of a contingent who do believe that UCONN had their ACC invite stolen and/or sabotaged by other entities.
It rings hollow to me to see a fan proclaim that it's unfair to use broad brushstrokes to describe the character traits of a fanbase when those traits are clearly demonstrated again and again on a number of other sites.
ETA: I'm adding another paragraph to my post to show how it looks like you yourself appear to believe in the notion that UCONN is entitled to be in the P5 while other entities or people sabotaged UCONN's rightful entry into the ACC. I give you the thread you started on the AAC website asking for opinions on which school was least deserving of a P5 conference invite -
http://csnbbs.com/thread-678160.html. It makes you look like a pretty small forum participant.
(02-25-2014 04:47 PM)C Marlow Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2014 10:28 AM)HuskyU Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2014 09:12 AM)C Marlow Wrote: [ -> ] (02-24-2014 10:18 PM)HuskyU Wrote: [ -> ] (02-24-2014 10:10 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ]No crush. Disgust.
"BC pitched a fit and cost us our rightful ACC spot"
"Forde tipped Louisville off and cost us our rightful ACC spot"
Nah, it didn't have anything to do with the fact that UCONN football is, was, and probably always will be mediocre at best. Or the fact that the CT Attorney General was the front man for the lawsuit against the ACC, several ACC members, and officials at several schools. That your university resides in a recruiting wasteland that offers no benefits for the schools in this conference that care about football. That you play in a usually half empty 40k stadium on an airfield 25 miles from campus. Nah, it was always something underhanded from some other school to deny you.
I like how you take quotes from one poster and make that your basis for an entire fan-base. You are precious.
That's a misleading statement. Not sure if you are being intentionally misleading or not though.
Go to the Boneyard and look at what UCONN fans believe. The majority of fans think exactly like this. Only a minority of fans believe that UCONN has legitimate deficiencies that need to be ironed out prior to gaining inclusion to a P5 conference. Most will blame "The Flipper", Forde, Pitt, Syracuse, BC and UL for "stealing/denying what was rightfully theirs" as opposed looking at the situation objectively.
I am a Boneyard member so I know what you are talking about. While I agree that a lot of fans there blame certain entities (which differ person to person), most also believe there are certain issues that need to be worked out - a lot having to do with the football program's growth/university endowment/relationship building.
I'm not being misleading in my post as I was referring to the quotes he brought up. The 2 quotes were from the same UCONN fan on here, who tends to bring it up more often than other UCONN posters on this site. I've noticed that most UCONN fans here don't go off unless someone tries to throw shade our way (such as the Calhoun comments earlier in this thread). If he has an issue with UCONN fans on another site then perhaps he should bring it up on that site.
I'd say yes and no. You are technically correct in that "all UCONN fans who frequent this specific forum within the CSNBBS" may not think like this and that the UCONN fan in question is an isolated case. However, if you look at UCONN fans in general amongst the various sites out there - with The Boneyard being an obvious place to start - Kaploney is correct. It looks like there is a large enough of a contingent who do believe that UCONN had their ACC invite stolen and/or sabotaged by other entities.
It rings hollow to me to see a fan proclaim that it's unfair to use broad brushstrokes to describe the character traits of a fanbase when those traits are clearly demonstrated again and again on a number of other sites.
ETA: I'm adding another paragraph to my post to show how it looks like you yourself appear to believe in the notion that UCONN is entitled to be in the P5 while other entities or people sabotaged UCONN's rightful entry into the ACC. I give you the thread you started on the AAC website asking for opinions on which school was least deserving of a P5 conference invite - http://csnbbs.com/thread-678160.html. It makes you look like a pretty small forum participant.
And yet I never said UCONN belonged to be in... The fact that you troll my posts though confirms my point that some posters (including yourself) are obsessed with all things UCONN. I love that you love posting about UCONN though.
(02-24-2014 02:50 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]I'll bet they totally ignore their role in the demise of BEast football. That means the program will be nothing but fiction.
This is what I'm expecting, too.
(02-25-2014 05:02 PM)HuskyU Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2014 04:47 PM)C Marlow Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2014 10:28 AM)HuskyU Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2014 09:12 AM)C Marlow Wrote: [ -> ] (02-24-2014 10:18 PM)HuskyU Wrote: [ -> ]I like how you take quotes from one poster and make that your basis for an entire fan-base. You are precious.
That's a misleading statement. Not sure if you are being intentionally misleading or not though.
Go to the Boneyard and look at what UCONN fans believe. The majority of fans think exactly like this. Only a minority of fans believe that UCONN has legitimate deficiencies that need to be ironed out prior to gaining inclusion to a P5 conference. Most will blame "The Flipper", Forde, Pitt, Syracuse, BC and UL for "stealing/denying what was rightfully theirs" as opposed looking at the situation objectively.
I am a Boneyard member so I know what you are talking about. While I agree that a lot of fans there blame certain entities (which differ person to person), most also believe there are certain issues that need to be worked out - a lot having to do with the football program's growth/university endowment/relationship building.
I'm not being misleading in my post as I was referring to the quotes he brought up. The 2 quotes were from the same UCONN fan on here, who tends to bring it up more often than other UCONN posters on this site. I've noticed that most UCONN fans here don't go off unless someone tries to throw shade our way (such as the Calhoun comments earlier in this thread). If he has an issue with UCONN fans on another site then perhaps he should bring it up on that site.
I'd say yes and no. You are technically correct in that "all UCONN fans who frequent this specific forum within the CSNBBS" may not think like this and that the UCONN fan in question is an isolated case. However, if you look at UCONN fans in general amongst the various sites out there - with The Boneyard being an obvious place to start - Kaploney is correct. It looks like there is a large enough of a contingent who do believe that UCONN had their ACC invite stolen and/or sabotaged by other entities.
It rings hollow to me to see a fan proclaim that it's unfair to use broad brushstrokes to describe the character traits of a fanbase when those traits are clearly demonstrated again and again on a number of other sites.
ETA: I'm adding another paragraph to my post to show how it looks like you yourself appear to believe in the notion that UCONN is entitled to be in the P5 while other entities or people sabotaged UCONN's rightful entry into the ACC. I give you the thread you started on the AAC website asking for opinions on which school was least deserving of a P5 conference invite - http://csnbbs.com/thread-678160.html. It makes you look like a pretty small forum participant.
And yet I never said UCONN belonged to be in... The fact that you troll my posts though confirms my point that some posters (including yourself) are obsessed with all things UCONN. I love that you love posting about UCONN though.
...which is a tenuous at best "defense" on your part. When one starts a thread by asking "which schools are least deserving of a P5 invite", it begs the question "what OTHER schools should have been invited instead..." C'mon, surely you started this thread in order to lead us to the conclusion that some schools should be booted out of the P5 to make room for different schools. Again, it rings hollow and the veneer you try to paste on it is peeling...
Heard a story that Georgetown (and I assume the other basketball members) wanted a cut of the football revenue as payment for the use of the Big East brand.
Can anyone confirm this or dispute this story?
(02-25-2014 05:19 PM)C Marlow Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2014 05:02 PM)HuskyU Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2014 04:47 PM)C Marlow Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2014 10:28 AM)HuskyU Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2014 09:12 AM)C Marlow Wrote: [ -> ]That's a misleading statement. Not sure if you are being intentionally misleading or not though.
Go to the Boneyard and look at what UCONN fans believe. The majority of fans think exactly like this. Only a minority of fans believe that UCONN has legitimate deficiencies that need to be ironed out prior to gaining inclusion to a P5 conference. Most will blame "The Flipper", Forde, Pitt, Syracuse, BC and UL for "stealing/denying what was rightfully theirs" as opposed looking at the situation objectively.
I am a Boneyard member so I know what you are talking about. While I agree that a lot of fans there blame certain entities (which differ person to person), most also believe there are certain issues that need to be worked out - a lot having to do with the football program's growth/university endowment/relationship building.
I'm not being misleading in my post as I was referring to the quotes he brought up. The 2 quotes were from the same UCONN fan on here, who tends to bring it up more often than other UCONN posters on this site. I've noticed that most UCONN fans here don't go off unless someone tries to throw shade our way (such as the Calhoun comments earlier in this thread). If he has an issue with UCONN fans on another site then perhaps he should bring it up on that site.
I'd say yes and no. You are technically correct in that "all UCONN fans who frequent this specific forum within the CSNBBS" may not think like this and that the UCONN fan in question is an isolated case. However, if you look at UCONN fans in general amongst the various sites out there - with The Boneyard being an obvious place to start - Kaploney is correct. It looks like there is a large enough of a contingent who do believe that UCONN had their ACC invite stolen and/or sabotaged by other entities.
It rings hollow to me to see a fan proclaim that it's unfair to use broad brushstrokes to describe the character traits of a fanbase when those traits are clearly demonstrated again and again on a number of other sites.
ETA: I'm adding another paragraph to my post to show how it looks like you yourself appear to believe in the notion that UCONN is entitled to be in the P5 while other entities or people sabotaged UCONN's rightful entry into the ACC. I give you the thread you started on the AAC website asking for opinions on which school was least deserving of a P5 conference invite - http://csnbbs.com/thread-678160.html. It makes you look like a pretty small forum participant.
And yet I never said UCONN belonged to be in... The fact that you troll my posts though confirms my point that some posters (including yourself) are obsessed with all things UCONN. I love that you love posting about UCONN though.
...which is a tenuous at best "defense" on your part. When one starts a thread by asking "which schools are least deserving of a P5 invite", it begs the question "what OTHER schools should have been invited instead..." C'mon, surely you started this thread in order to lead us to the conclusion that some schools should be booted out of the P5 to make room for different schools. Again, it rings hollow and the veneer you try to paste on it is peeling...
I like that you know my thought process and can read my mind. Love ya!
(02-25-2014 05:20 PM)bseer Wrote: [ -> ]Heard a story that Georgetown (and I assume the other basketball members) wanted a cut of the football revenue as payment for the use of the Big East brand.
Can anyone confirm this or dispute this story?
confirmed: it was reported by espn and the info came out during the c7 fiasco.
the BE football members asked for a 70/30 revenue split and an admin from one of the c7 schools shot back saying THEY should get the 70% because "the football schools joined THEIR conference"
however it is ESPN and they don't have a good track record with BE/aac affairs. ESPN falsely reported that the c7 had a massively unequal revenue sharing model with butler, cu & xu. i dunno if that had to do with a half shares situation or something but they did drop the ball big time on that one as no one else ever reported that. and their is a basis to facto in as ESPN is clearly in the AAC not the BE camp.
can't really say how accurate it is.....but that info WAS reported
it was the best basketball conference ever the past few years....not even close. I'm sad it's over.
Its a shame Joe Paterino is not around to be interviewed for that show. Personally I had no problem with the BE from 1992-the first ACC raid, but the league needed Penn St to survive long term
Jackson
(02-25-2014 09:11 PM)Jackson1011 Wrote: [ -> ]Its a shame Joe Paterino is not around to be interviewed for that show. Personally I had no problem with the BE from 1992-the first ACC raid, but the league needed Penn St to survive long term
Jackson
having psu in the league would of been nice:
but realistically the BE would of gone in any three directions
1. the psu ego would break up the conference just like texas & the b12
2. the bb/fb schools would still break the conference apart
3. the league would eventually suffer like the b10 when the northern recruiting grounds dried up and weaken the league
(02-25-2014 09:11 PM)Jackson1011 Wrote: [ -> ]Its a shame Joe Paterino is not around to be interviewed for that show. Personally I had no problem with the BE from 1992-the first ACC raid, but the league needed Penn St to survive long term
Jackson
Even if the BE had the forethought to invite PSU in 1981, PSU still would have gone to the B1G in 1992. In hindsight, BE had no adequate strategy for dealing with the gravity of the all sport conferences, and perhaps there was no workable strategy. The only thing that kept the BE together as long as it did was Syracuse's interest in seeing it so. But ultimately we had to recognize the need to be in a football conference.
Not that I want to jump down this rabbit hole for the umpteeth time, but can't everything be traced back to Miami of Florida's willingness to dump the Big East and its rival football schools? If Miami of Florida had said no thanks to the ACC, then I would imagine that BC, Va Tech, and later SU, etc, would not have jumped... why would they have needed to? Making boatloads of money, Miami (Fla) a perennial title contender.
So Donna Shalala, who has about as much knowledge or interest in college sports as my chickens, and Miami of Florida, with a long history of shadiness, really paved the way. We can talk forever about Paterno and a vote in 1982, and kind of nibble around the edges about 3-steps removed from the actual school that made the first leap.
Since their move to the ACC, what were Miami's best years? A couple of Peach Bowls? I mean, if someone told a Miami fan in 2003, coming off like 4 straight BCS bowls, that in order to join the ACC with Donna Shalala, the Hurricanes will go 10 years without playing in a BCS bowl, and without playing on New Years Day, what would've been their reaction?
(02-26-2014 12:40 AM)billyjack Wrote: [ -> ]Not that I want to jump down this rabbit hole for the umpteeth time, but can't everything be traced back to Miami of Florida's willingness to dump the Big East and its rival football schools? If Miami of Florida had said no thanks to the ACC, then I would imagine that BC, Va Tech, and later SU, etc, would not have jumped... why would they have needed to? Making boatloads of money, Miami (Fla) a perennial title contender.
So Donna Shalala, who has about as much knowledge or interest in college sports as my chickens, and Miami of Florida, with a long history of shadiness, really paved the way.
VT would have made the move regardless.
(02-25-2014 09:26 PM)orangefan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2014 09:11 PM)Jackson1011 Wrote: [ -> ]Its a shame Joe Paterino is not around to be interviewed for that show. Personally I had no problem with the BE from 1992-the first ACC raid, but the league needed Penn St to survive long term
Jackson
Even if the BE had the forethought to invite PSU in 1981, PSU still would have gone to the B1G in 1992. In hindsight, BE had no adequate strategy for dealing with the gravity of the all sport conferences, and perhaps there was no workable strategy. The only thing that kept the BE together as long as it did was Syracuse's interest in seeing it so. But ultimately we had to recognize the need to be in a football conference.
Interesting. There were other Independent "powers" along the east coast that perhaps would have followed PSU to the Big East in the early 80s.
Here is my alternative reality for the Big East (all sports):
Boston College
Syracuse
Rutgers
Pittsburgh
Penn State
West Virginia
Virginia Tech
Louisville
East Carolina
South Carolina
Florida State
Miami
(02-26-2014 08:34 AM)EerMeNow Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2014 09:26 PM)orangefan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2014 09:11 PM)Jackson1011 Wrote: [ -> ]Its a shame Joe Paterino is not around to be interviewed for that show. Personally I had no problem with the BE from 1992-the first ACC raid, but the league needed Penn St to survive long term
Jackson
Even if the BE had the forethought to invite PSU in 1981, PSU still would have gone to the B1G in 1992. In hindsight, BE had no adequate strategy for dealing with the gravity of the all sport conferences, and perhaps there was no workable strategy. The only thing that kept the BE together as long as it did was Syracuse's interest in seeing it so. But ultimately we had to recognize the need to be in a football conference.
Interesting. There were other Independent "powers" along the east coast that perhaps would have followed PSU to the Big East in the early 80s.
Here is my alternative reality for the Big East (all sports):
Boston College
Syracuse
Rutgers
Pittsburgh
Penn State
West Virginia
Virginia Tech
Louisville
East Carolina
South Carolina
Florida State
Miami
The Paterno Conference would have been:
Penn State
Pitt
Syracuse
WVU
Rutgers
Temple
BC
Maryland
This conference was blocked when Pitt accepted an invitation to the Big East.
You may recall that the founding members of the Big East were: Providence, Syracuse, St. John's and Georgetown. Assuming they had focused on building a hybrid from day one, it could have been:
Providence
St. John's
Georgetown
Syracuse
BC
Pitt
Rutgers (who declined an invitation to the BE and was replaced by SHU)
Temple (who was considered by the BE as an alternative to VU)
Penn State
West Virginia
Either of these groupings could have expanded as necessary and appropriate.
(02-25-2014 09:26 PM)orangefan Wrote: [ -> ] (02-25-2014 09:11 PM)Jackson1011 Wrote: [ -> ]Its a shame Joe Paterino is not around to be interviewed for that show. Personally I had no problem with the BE from 1992-the first ACC raid, but the league needed Penn St to survive long term
Jackson
Even if the BE had the forethought to invite PSU in 1981, PSU still would have gone to the B1G in 1992. In hindsight, BE had no adequate strategy for dealing with the gravity of the all sport conferences, and perhaps there was no workable strategy. The only thing that kept the BE together as long as it did was Syracuse's interest in seeing it so. But ultimately we had to recognize the need to be in a football conference.
It wasn't until Paterno gave up all hope of ever creating an eastern all-sports conference that Penn State started looking at other options. So your assumption that they'd have left the Big East for the B1G is rather absurd, considering you have no evidence to prove that would have resulted, other than the fact that Penn State eventually joined the B1G after JoePa decided forming an eastern all-sports conference was futile.
Had Penn State managed to get most of the parties he desired for his eastern all-sports dream gathered together under the Big East banner, the events that lead Penn State to the B1G would probably never have transpired. It was only AFTER JoePa gave up on creating his dream conference that Penn State hired the president that got them the B1G invite.
Had Penn State joined the Big East, who's to say that the same president would have been hired? The circumstances would have been different, as would the desired direction for the university. It would be an alternate reality with different directions, and different decisions. That one change would lead to a domino effect on all future decisions.
(02-26-2014 07:36 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2014 12:40 AM)billyjack Wrote: [ -> ]Not that I want to jump down this rabbit hole for the umpteeth time, but can't everything be traced back to Miami of Florida's willingness to dump the Big East and its rival football schools? If Miami of Florida had said no thanks to the ACC, then I would imagine that BC, Va Tech, and later SU, etc, would not have jumped... why would they have needed to? Making boatloads of money, Miami (Fla) a perennial title contender.
So Donna Shalala, who has about as much knowledge or interest in college sports as my chickens, and Miami of Florida, with a long history of shadiness, really paved the way.
VT would have made the move regardless.
the question though becomes if Miami doesn't move, does the ACC make any moves at that point. Miami was the crown jewel of that move.
(02-26-2014 11:23 AM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]So your assumption that they'd have left the Big East for the B1G is rather absurd, considering you have no evidence to prove that would have resulted, other than the fact that Penn State eventually joined the B1G after JoePa decided forming an eastern all-sports conference was futile.
Oh that is not true. It is rather well documented that the president of Penn State's goal at that time, dating back nearly a decade, was to join the Big Ten Conference. So it is a pretty safe assumption that had that opportunity ever arisen, they would have taken it. Can it be guaranteed they would have? No (although some observers actually contend it was guaranteed if they were ever offered, but I won't go that far). But to say it is "absurd" to say they would have gone anyway,is more on the absurd line than his original statement.
(02-26-2014 11:36 AM)adcorbett Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2014 11:23 AM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ]So your assumption that they'd have left the Big East for the B1G is rather absurd, considering you have no evidence to prove that would have resulted, other than the fact that Penn State eventually joined the B1G after JoePa decided forming an eastern all-sports conference was futile.
Oh that is not true. It is rather well documented that the president of Penn State's goal at that time, dating back nearly a decade, was to join the Big Ten Conference. So it is a pretty safe assumption that had that opportunity ever arisen, they would have taken it. Can it be guaranteed they would have? No (although some observers actually contend it was guaranteed if they were ever offered, but I won't go that far). But to say it is "absurd" to say they would have gone anyway,is more on the absurd line than his original statement.
JoePa really wanted to take part in an Eastern-based conference. Unfortunately, we've all seen the kind of pull he had at Penn State.
What obviously cannot be understated is how powerful the conference might have become and changed the dynamic, but from most accounts I have read, PSU leaders wanted in the Big Ten so bad, even Joe Pa might not have stopped it. Again, I would not say it was going to happen no matter what, but the highest probability was even if PSU joined the big East, they still leave for the Big Ten.