TT is about as well connected as any coach in college football. Hopefully he already had replacements lined up before he made the move.
Someone on another board suggested Gene Chizik. Kinda doubt it but stranger things have happened...
Appears to be because of their inability to recruit.
(01-03-2014 09:57 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2014 09:24 AM)Murph29 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2014 08:49 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Seriously. Someone tell me this is a bad joke.
Hands up. Who thought our DC or DL coach was the weak link with our performance. Buehler...? Must mean Eddie Gran is getting a raise.
Christ, Tate was the only coach on our sideline who could fog a mirror during a game.
Unless we have replacements lined up with uber recruits in pocket, this is troubling on multiple levels.
Maybe they didn't like golf.
Seriously, you seem hell bent on gloom and doom when it come to all things TT. We lost two assistants.... as if that's something that has never happened before with the UC football program. If we start becoming an annual revolving door for coaches like we were under minter, maybe I'll worry. But there could be a dozen reasons why these two are leaving and we don't know squat. So to assume the worst or that it's somehow further evidence of TT's incompetence is a bit of a stretch.
If you don't think this is odd or in the least bit remarkable, bless you for accepting it without raising an eyebrow. I won't knock you for it, despite not agreeing with your assessment. This was a top 25 D this season...unless there is a personality conflict or a big philosophical change in scheme is in the works this is surprising to me...and I would venture I am not alone.
Lets put it this way, IMO Kaufman did his job as well or better than any guy on this staff this year. Hell yes that is remarkable if he of all of the staff just got canned.
Wonder if this means there is a 3-4/4-3 swap in the offing for year #2.
Didn't say it wasn't newsworthy or that it doesn't raise an eyebrow, but don't think it is necessarily "troubling" or evidence of something rotten in Denmark. As someone else pointed out these guys are nomads. There could be a number of non-troubling reasons for it. Were you troubled every time it happened under the last three coaches, because we certainly changed assistants under those coaches? I think TT is well positioned to find suitable replacements. I would have preferred the headline to read "Eddie Gran parts ways with UC" but despite that disappointment, this announcement today doesn't push the Oh Crap/Panic button to me.
(01-03-2014 10:03 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote: [ -> ]TT is about as well connected as any coach in college football. Hopefully he already had replacements lined up before he made the move.
Someone on another board suggested Gene Chizik. Kinda doubt it but stranger things have happened...
Chizik would be a home run hire in terms of how good of a DC he is (he was a fantastic DC) and the name recognition would make the hire go viral. The downside of hiring a Gene Chizik is that he would likely bail in a year or two for a HC positon.
My guess is it is going to be someone else from the Tuberville coaching tree.
As always. Murph nails it
I have zero issues with the changes. The defense was woefully unprepared for the bowl game, to go with the special teams. They need some major recruiting, specially at the DL and DB positions. If these guys couldn't recruit then get someone in here who can.
I'm fully with Murph... making changes is not a big deal. Plus, we don't know the full story yet. They may be going somewhere else in a P5 conference. There is nothing UC or TT can do to combat that. It isn't TT's fault. It is what it is...
Murph, I think instability on a staff that you bring in for year #1 is a bit troubling. Not like this was a holdover staff. TT had to know who Kaufman was...this is an Xs and Os lifer coach that was a Briles Award Finalist for top assistant in the country just last year. If they made a change because of recruiting, that would seem strange to me after working together.
Next guy better be really good because a step back on D, despite personnel losses, is not going to go well. Here is hoping for a home run hire.
Here are the questions I have:
1. probably not worth handing out medals to our D when we played a truly crappy schedule. And yet clearly our defense was MUCH better than our offense all year.
2. These are guys TT brought from TT - it is not like he didn't know who they were or what they were capable of. He worked with them there and then brought them here. Perhaps both had an understanding with TT that this was a one year commitment - I kind of doubt that though.
3. These are two of the most experienced assistants on staff. Our offense has a shocking LACK of assistant coaching experience. Is it smart to fire the guys who know what they are doing while you train up a bunch who were rookies at their roles last year? What is the plan here?
4. Is it because these were "southern guys" who were having a hard time gaining traction in the midwest recruiting market? - This is probably the only explanation I would understand. It wouldn't absolve TT, naturally because as an experienced "CEO" (and we all know he does the CEO HC role not the ground level, involved HC role) - hiring assistants is his job and recruiting ability is a factor in hiring assistants that should have been assessed.
I would think TT has replacements already lined up. Perhaps they have even better prospects for success here than the guys he is replacing. Just scratching my head because on the surface it appears we are making changes to our areas of strength last year, not our areas of weakness.
Rath, I honestly don't get the panicking regarding TT. You did this in the first year with BJ as well. Give it time... either his wheels stop spinning and gain traction a la Butch Jones, or he goes away. UC had no choice but to hire a "name" guy if there was any chance of keeping the program on the up swing. The AAC was not going to bring players to UC like it did for the past 3 coaches. They had to have a guy who has a reputation for winning. TT has that. If it doesn't work out then you move on... this was their hail mary as they had no other legitimate options to try and keep the train on the tracks when UC was left behind.
Do we know if this was really a firing or not? Could he have just retired? He is a 30 year vet of the headset. Still listed on gobearcats.com as on staff.
I'm not sure the defense was that much better than the offense this year. Didn't the team break the 2009 record for most total yards in a season? Brendon Kay set a single season record for completions as well. A lot of receivers had career seasons. Once they found their identity, they weren't that bad.
(01-03-2014 10:39 AM)mlb Wrote: [ -> ]Rath, I honestly don't get the panicking regarding TT. You did this in the first year with BJ as well. Give it time... either his wheels stop spinning and gain traction a la Butch Jones, or he goes away. UC had no choice but to hire a "name" guy if there was any chance of keeping the program on the up swing. The AAC was not going to bring players to UC like it did for the past 3 coaches. They had to have a guy who has a reputation for winning. TT has that. If it doesn't work out then you move on... this was their hail mary as they had no other legitimate options to try and keep the train on the tracks when UC was left behind.
Acutally, from what I recall, Rath was one of the few who did not.
(01-03-2014 10:39 AM)mlb Wrote: [ -> ]Rath, I honestly don't get the panicking regarding TT. You did this in the first year with BJ as well. Give it time... either his wheels stop spinning and gain traction a la Butch Jones, or he goes away. UC had no choice but to hire a "name" guy if there was any chance of keeping the program on the up swing. The AAC was not going to bring players to UC like it did for the past 3 coaches. They had to have a guy who has a reputation for winning. TT has that. If it doesn't work out then you move on... this was their hail mary as they had no other legitimate options to try and keep the train on the tracks when UC was left behind.
Uhhh....I had Jones' back year 1 pretty much on my own around here. Year 3 in the Munchie debacle I recanted
(01-03-2014 10:40 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Do we know if this was really a firing or not? Could he have just retired? He is a 30 year vet of the headset. Still listed on gobearcats.com as on staff.
I didn't see it yet, one way or another, but I think the fishwrap has reported it.
Tate only worked with Tuberville for a one year at Texas Tech prior to coming to UC. That gives Tuberville two whole years to know Tate's strength/weaknesses. Looking at Tate's background he was at much smaller locales in the rural south (Marshall, TN-Chattanooga, Southern Miss, East Carolina, Middle Tennessee State, Texas State and Jacksonville State). He just might not be the right guy to lure quality defensive lineman to Cincinnati, Ohio.
Edit: Kauman was only there a year too.
Coach Tuberville is well known to give his assistants free reign to coach during the season, but has also been known to can them without hesitation in the off season. He went through a bunch of DC’s at Tech, Auburn and Ole Miss.
(01-03-2014 10:44 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Uhhh....I had Jones' back year 1 pretty much on my own around here. Year 3 in the Munchie debacle I recanted
Maybe I'm remembering differently, but I remember a lot of yelling about his signs at the games. :)
Oh the signs were just funny, mlb. I still laugh at the Punt Team Sign being held up on 2nd downs. Going into year 1 I got slammed for saying the roster was a mess and young and that it was going to be a long season and to be patient. People were unreasonably expecting another BCS season in 10' and wanted him hanged in effigy.
I guess with age I've become more patient. I have tempered my expectations as time as gone on, especially in this crappy conference. If/when UC is out of the AAC I will be ramping up my expectations, but otherwise I think UC is in the best position possible because of the fact that they have a coach with a reputation for winning at a high level. That is the only differentiator anymore between UC, Miami, Toledo, Ohio, etc.... UC is rarely going to win battles with MSU, Purdue, Indiana, etc., because, to be quite frank, they have such an easy target to pinpoint (AAC).
Wondering if TT said Tate was gone and Kaufman didnt like it or said me too then.
A'aight. Now to look at a potential opportunity.
Unless there is a home run whale hire out there, HIRE SOMEONE WITH RECRUITING TIES TO THIS AREA.