(09-19-2021 03:34 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  You’re adding BSU for their national brand value and the first thing you do is force them to abandon a key element of that brand?

That wouldn’t be too bright IMHO.

What national brand? Boise has lost whatever luster it had.

I think most people see the blue turf and think... they are trying to get attention that their football team can't get.

If they joined a P5 conference and had to play quality teams every week, they would be going 6-6 or less and would be a team in a remote area with little TV draw.

Also, Presidents must approve additions and Boise's academics will be a quick no.

(09-13-2022 11:06 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 03:34 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  You’re adding BSU for their national brand value and the first thing you do is force them to abandon a key element of that brand?

That wouldn’t be too bright IMHO.

What national brand? Boise has lost whatever luster it had.

I think most people see the blue turf and think... they are trying to get attention that their football team can't get.

If they joined a P5 conference and had to play quality teams every week, they would be going 6-6 or less and would be a team in a remote area with little TV draw.

Also, Presidents must approve additions and Boise's academics will be a quick no.

Bumping a post from a year ago? WTF?

(09-18-2021 11:43 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(09-18-2021 11:10 PM)ManleyPointer Wrote:  Would love to have Boise as a conference game but that turf has got to go. Hurts to watch on TV.

IIRC, MWC never insisted they drop the blue turf. Just that they'd stop wearing blues at home. And MWC folded on that demand when negotiating the terms of Boise's return from the Big East.

My wife and I are big UCF fans and I've enjoyed watching the Broncos over the years as a general college fan, however she literally gets migraines from the Boise blue field so she refuses to ever watch Boise if they are playing at home. We were even planning to take a trip out to Boise for the UCF game in 2024 but she's changed her mind on that because she doesn't want to go and get a migraine in the stadium. I get that. Personally I don't mind the blue except when they wear all blue from head to toe it's difficult to watch on TV as they completely blend in to the field.

Totally different feel in stadium. Definitely worse on TV than in person.

(09-13-2022 11:10 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(09-13-2022 11:06 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 03:34 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  You’re adding BSU for their national brand value and the first thing you do is force them to abandon a key element of that brand?

That wouldn’t be too bright IMHO.

What national brand? Boise has lost whatever luster it had.

I think most people see the blue turf and think... they are trying to get attention that their football team can't get.

If they joined a P5 conference and had to play quality teams every week, they would be going 6-6 or less and would be a team in a remote area with little TV draw.

Also, Presidents must approve additions and Boise's academics will be a quick no.

Bumping a post from a year ago? WTF?

What goes through the minds of people to find obscure threads buried hundreds of feet underground and revive them thinking the conversation is presently ongoing?

It's not like this thread is on the first page. It's on page 100-whatever.

(09-13-2022 11:25 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(09-13-2022 11:10 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(09-13-2022 11:06 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 03:34 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  You’re adding BSU for their national brand value and the first thing you do is force them to abandon a key element of that brand?

That wouldn’t be too bright IMHO.

What national brand? Boise has lost whatever luster it had.

I think most people see the blue turf and think... they are trying to get attention that their football team can't get.

If they joined a P5 conference and had to play quality teams every week, they would be going 6-6 or less and would be a team in a remote area with little TV draw.

Also, Presidents must approve additions and Boise's academics will be a quick no.

Bumping a post from a year ago? WTF?

What goes through the minds of people who search for obscure threads buried hundreds of feet underground and revive them as if the conversation is presently ongoing?

Probably used a search term and this popped up.

The easiest way for the Big12 to avoid this prickly question would be for it to not invite Boise State. There, problem solved!

(09-13-2022 11:10 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(09-13-2022 11:06 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(09-19-2021 03:34 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  You’re adding BSU for their national brand value and the first thing you do is force them to abandon a key element of that brand?

That wouldn’t be too bright IMHO.

What national brand? Boise has lost whatever luster it had.

I think most people see the blue turf and think... they are trying to get attention that their football team can't get.

If they joined a P5 conference and had to play quality teams every week, they would be going 6-6 or less and would be a team in a remote area with little TV draw.

Also, Presidents must approve additions and Boise's academics will be a quick no.

Bumping a post from a year ago? WTF?

I have no idea what you are talking about...please enlighten me. I was simply responding to Hawaiimongoose post.

(09-13-2022 11:54 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  I have no idea what you are talking about...please enlighten me. I was simply responding to Hawaiimongoose post.

You responded to a post from Sept 2021.

Boise St to XII makes no sense now from any standpoint:

1) Market? Metro Size Rank (Population): 75th.

2) Athletics? Football is definitely down from the first 15 years of the new millennium but to pretend its not better than most football programs in FBS (including many power schools) is foolish. Trending downward, though, and that's an issue. Basketball has been slowly trending upward which is a good sign for the future. Overall: Meh to Okay.

3) Academics? It's not a surprise we struggle here, comparatively. Using the recent USNWR numbers (ignoring how "good" these rankings may or may not be), Boise St is in the #331-440 group for National Universities. The only 3 schools below this group are "unranked." Here is the list of Division I schools in Boise St's USNWR group split by primary conference:
AAC: UTSA, Wichita St
ASUN: Central Arkansas, Eastern Kentucky, Florida Gulf Coast, Kennesaw St
BIG SKY: Idaho St, Northern Colorado
BIG SOUTH: Gardner-Webb, Radford
CUSA: Liberty, UTEP, Western Kentucky
HORIZON: Cleveland St, Northern Kentucky, Oakland, Wisconsin - Milwaukee, Wright St
MAC: Akron, Eastern Michigan, Northern Illinois
MEAC: Maryland - Eastern Shore
MVC: Indiana St, Missouri St
MWC: Boise St
NEC: Long Island
OVC: Arkansas - Little Rock, Southern Illinois - Edwardsville, Tennessee St
SBC: Georgia Southern, Louisiana - Lafayette, Louisiana - Monroe, South Alabama, Southern Miss, Texas St
SOCON: Tennessee - Chattanooga
SOUTHLAND: Lamar, New Orleans, Texas A&M - Commerce, Texas A&M - Corpus Christi
SUMMIT: Oral Roberts
SWAC: Alabama St, Jackson St, Prairie View A&M, Southern, Texas Southern
WAC: Grand Canyon, Tarleton St

Grand total of 14 FBS schools out of 110 schools in that grouping with zero power schools.

(09-19-2021 10:55 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I would keep it. It's a differentiator.

I sometimes hear folks in Nashville say demolish Memorial Gym (Vanderbilt's historic basketball facility), as they cite multiple reasons (nasty bathrooms, endzone team seating, theater-esque lighting and raised court, etc.). No way. Most are jealous they don't have a facility with that level of history, quirkiness and competitive advantage. Bill Dazzle is strapping himself — nude, of course — to Memorial Gym if the wrecking ball is to be deployed.

Anything that contributes to a program's distinctiveness and brand — and that potentially gives that program a "one-up" on foes (assuming it's within the rules) ... you don't mess with that. Boise should keep the blue field if it makes it to the Big 12 and the league allows it.

I'm fine with the blue turf as well, but I agree with going back to the MWC prohibition that they cannot wear solid blue at home..

As much as I like the red & black of UGA, I don't want it on the field @ Dooley-Sanford Stadium. Now on the basketball court at Stegeman Coliseum, I might be open to that.

Yeah it's not OK, it is hard on eyeballs on some TVs and hard to adjust to for visiting players (that's the point) - but it will go if they join a major conf

(09-13-2022 12:49 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  Yeah it's not OK, it is hard on eyeballs on some TVs and hard to adjust to for visiting players (that's the point) - but it will go if they join a major conf

This isn't true. It's been said many times by many opponents that there isn't an on-field issue. The visual issue remains nearly exclusively a TV issue.

Smurf Turf is a part of their identity and brand. Yormark wouldn't want to harm their brand.

(09-19-2021 10:55 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I would keep it. It's a differentiator.

I sometimes hear folks in Nashville say demolish Memorial Gym (Vanderbilt's historic basketball facility), as they cite multiple reasons (nasty bathrooms, endzone team seating, theater-esque lighting and raised court, etc.). No way. Most are jealous they don't have a facility with that level of history, quirkiness and competitive advantage. Bill Dazzle is strapping himself — nude, of course — to Memorial Gym if the wrecking ball is to be deployed.

Anything that contributes to a program's distinctiveness and brand — and that potentially gives that program a "one-up" on foes (assuming it's within the rules) ... you don't mess with that. Boise should keep the blue field if it makes it to the Big 12 and the league allows it.

Vanderbilt can keep playing basketball at Memorial Gym if the school gets off its butt and adds a softball program for the young ladies.

How's that for a fair trade off?

Full disclosure: There's been talk about the University of Miami adding softball, so I'm hoping Vandy doing so would push UM's administration to do the right thing

(09-13-2022 12:17 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(09-13-2022 11:54 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  I have no idea what you are talking about...please enlighten me. I was simply responding to Hawaiimongoose post.

You responded to a post from Sept 2021.

I thought I was responding to HawaiiMongoose post No. 16 in this thread. Please see post No. 16 above.

(09-18-2021 11:30 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  How long have they had it? I think if it was only a few years old they’d probably pressure Boise to remove it, but it’s been around long enough that I think everyone accepts it.

I only watch Boise St when they are on the road, no matter how few games are being televised that day and no matter how starved I am for college football.

(09-19-2021 11:38 AM)bullet Wrote:  I'm fine with smurf turf or Carolina teal or Washington red.

But not so much on the EMU grey.

(09-13-2022 03:13 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(09-13-2022 12:17 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(09-13-2022 11:54 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  I have no idea what you are talking about...please enlighten me. I was simply responding to Hawaiimongoose post.

You responded to a post from Sept 2021.

I thought I was responding to HawaiiMongoose post No. 16 in this thread. Please see post No. 16 above.

Post 16 was written in 2021.

(09-19-2021 03:34 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  You’re adding BSU for their national brand value and the first thing you do is force them to abandon a key element of that brand?

That wouldn’t be too bright IMHO.

(09-13-2022 06:53 PM)Crayton Wrote:  

(09-13-2022 03:13 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(09-13-2022 12:17 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(09-13-2022 11:54 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  I have no idea what you are talking about...please enlighten me. I was simply responding to Hawaiimongoose post.

You responded to a post from Sept 2021.

I thought I was responding to HawaiiMongoose post No. 16 in this thread. Please see post No. 16 above.

Post 16 was written in 2021.

I saw that, however mlb blamed me for bringing it up, HawaiiMongoose posted it in this thread....I just responded to it.

(09-13-2022 07:51 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  I saw that, however mlb blamed me for bringing it up, HawaiiMongoose posted it in this thread....I just responded to it.

No, I blamed you for bringing a thread that had been dead back after 12 months.