(09-08-2019 07:19 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-07-2019 10:32 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  Kentucky 38 EMU 17
Kentucky 38 Toledo 24

I didn't watch it, but it would appear that Eastern's defense is about on par with ours.

Absolutely not. UK was up 17-0 in the 2nd Quarter.
The Wildcats started doing things like fumbling at the EMU one yd line and missing FG's. They continued to keep their scoring down by commiting stupid penalties. On top of it, an EMU DB horse-collared UK's QB Terry Wilson in the 3rd quarter resulting in a serious knee injury(he was carted off the field).The back up QB, a grad transfer from Troy, came in and passed for 2 TD's.

Well, their offense put up 14 on us by the end of the 2nd qtr. That's pretty close to 17. Their offense isn't exactly prolific, that's for sure. They can execute well at times, though.

(09-08-2019 10:11 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Murray State RFr QB Preston Rice was 20-25 216 yds 1 TDs 0 Ints in his second college start. Rice was runner-up for Mr Football in Tennessee 1-a football.
Murray State was tied with Georgia 7-7 after the first quarter and outscored them 10-7 in the third period.
The Racers scored on a 60 TD pass, 35 yd interception, and a 20+ yd FG after a sustained drive.

I don’t expect to blow them out of the stadium even if we could. I’d rather reduce the risk of injury to the starters and give the younger players some pt. I’ Be lying if I said I don’t expect to win but most of these fcs teams have come here and given us a good game.

And they give up 63 points to boot

UT needs to play tough nobody who is on the field. Only if UT shots themselves in the foot, do they lose against this team.

It's literally the same exact logic of SEC team playing lil ol G5 squad. "What's the point?" "Nothing to gain." "We could win with backups." But it provides the G5 with a chance to show their worth. So it's important for the ladder. It's a recruiting tool for Toledo to say, we play Kentucky, Mizzou, and Florida occasionally. It provides the smaller program with wealth which is GOOD. The second these games stop happening, programs die. We can quit playing FCS teams and cut them out, but when the P5 does it to us we will go BANANAS. It's healthy for levels of CFB to go down a step once a season. It's the rain cycle which keeps football balanced and alive.

Maybe a regional FCS would pay slightly more dividends? But we don't have access to a ton. They are Indiana and Illinois schools. Plus if we lost to one... THEY gain the completive edge. So playing non regional ones is okay with me. New Hampshire (FCS power) isn't moving the needle over Norfolk State. So the notion that playing good FCS teams is what we need to be doing is only just slightly more getting our team used to MAC play. Nothing with tickets or fan support.

(09-08-2019 12:04 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  It's literally the same exact logic of SEC team playing lil ol G5 squad. "What's the point?" "Nothing to gain." "We could win with backups." But it provides the G5 with a chance to show their worth. So it's important for the ladder. It's a recruiting tool for Toledo to say, we play Kentucky, Mizzou, and Florida occasionally. It provides the smaller program with wealth which is GOOD. The second these games stop happening, programs die. We can quit playing FCS teams and cut them out, but when the P5 does it to us we will go BANANAS. It's healthy for levels of CFB to go down a step once a season. It's the rain cycle which keeps football balanced and alive.

Maybe a regional FCS would pay slightly more dividends? But we don't have access to a ton. They are Indiana and Illinois schools. Plus if we lost to one... THEY gain the completive edge. So playing non regional ones is okay with me. New Hampshire (FCS power) isn't moving the needle over Norfolk State. So the notion that playing good FCS teams is what we need to be doing is only just slightly more getting our team used to MAC play. Nothing with tickets or fan support.

We never play Youngstown State.

(09-08-2019 03:04 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 12:04 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  It's literally the same exact logic of SEC team playing lil ol G5 squad. "What's the point?" "Nothing to gain." "We could win with backups." But it provides the G5 with a chance to show their worth. So it's important for the ladder. It's a recruiting tool for Toledo to say, we play Kentucky, Mizzou, and Florida occasionally. It provides the smaller program with wealth which is GOOD. The second these games stop happening, programs die. We can quit playing FCS teams and cut them out, but when the P5 does it to us we will go BANANAS. It's healthy for levels of CFB to go down a step once a season. It's the rain cycle which keeps football balanced and alive.

Maybe a regional FCS would pay slightly more dividends? But we don't have access to a ton. They are Indiana and Illinois schools. Plus if we lost to one... THEY gain the completive edge. So playing non regional ones is okay with me. New Hampshire (FCS power) isn't moving the needle over Norfolk State. So the notion that playing good FCS teams is what we need to be doing is only just slightly more getting our team used to MAC play. Nothing with tickets or fan support.

We never play Youngstown State.

Okay so read my bottom paragraph.

What does playing YSU do for Toledo? Top half FCS squad, who also wants to recruit our players.... We already have the edge.

What if we smoke em? Nothing changes, but maybe 250 more butts in the seats from their fans. We also could be slightly more ready for Kent State in MAC play.

What if we lose? Then YSU just gained a huge UP on us. They can then recruit kids who aren't academically ready for FBS, and tell them they will play close to home and beat MAC teams. NOT FRICKING GOOD! Their players also have an incentive to beat dudes they likely played against in high school. They'd be jacked up to get a chance in the Glass Bowl.

What local fan is going to attend for a home opener against YSU, but not against VMI? None, but YSU fans close to Toledo. Which is also a negative.

(09-08-2019 03:33 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 03:04 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 12:04 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  It's literally the same exact logic of SEC team playing lil ol G5 squad. "What's the point?" "Nothing to gain." "We could win with backups." But it provides the G5 with a chance to show their worth. So it's important for the ladder. It's a recruiting tool for Toledo to say, we play Kentucky, Mizzou, and Florida occasionally. It provides the smaller program with wealth which is GOOD. The second these games stop happening, programs die. We can quit playing FCS teams and cut them out, but when the P5 does it to us we will go BANANAS. It's healthy for levels of CFB to go down a step once a season. It's the rain cycle which keeps football balanced and alive.

Maybe a regional FCS would pay slightly more dividends? But we don't have access to a ton. They are Indiana and Illinois schools. Plus if we lost to one... THEY gain the completive edge. So playing non regional ones is okay with me. New Hampshire (FCS power) isn't moving the needle over Norfolk State. So the notion that playing good FCS teams is what we need to be doing is only just slightly more getting our team used to MAC play. Nothing with tickets or fan support.

We never play Youngstown State.

Okay so read my bottom paragraph.

What does playing YSU do for Toledo? Top half FCS squad, who also wants to recruit our players.... We already have the edge.

What if we smoke em? Nothing changes, but maybe 250 more butts in the seats from their fans. We also could be slightly more ready for Kent State in MAC play.

What if we lose? Then YSU just gained a huge UP on us. They can then recruit kids who aren't academically ready for FBS, and tell them they will play close to home and beat MAC teams. NOT FRICKING GOOD! Their players also have an incentive to beat dudes they likely played against in high school. They'd be jacked up to get a chance in the Glass Bowl.

What local fan is going to attend for a home opener against YSU, but not against VMI? None, but YSU fans close to Toledo. Which is also a negative.

I don't like Tressel or anything he's involved with.

(09-08-2019 04:09 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 03:33 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 03:04 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 12:04 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  It's literally the same exact logic of SEC team playing lil ol G5 squad. "What's the point?" "Nothing to gain." "We could win with backups." But it provides the G5 with a chance to show their worth. So it's important for the ladder. It's a recruiting tool for Toledo to say, we play Kentucky, Mizzou, and Florida occasionally. It provides the smaller program with wealth which is GOOD. The second these games stop happening, programs die. We can quit playing FCS teams and cut them out, but when the P5 does it to us we will go BANANAS. It's healthy for levels of CFB to go down a step once a season. It's the rain cycle which keeps football balanced and alive.

Maybe a regional FCS would pay slightly more dividends? But we don't have access to a ton. They are Indiana and Illinois schools. Plus if we lost to one... THEY gain the completive edge. So playing non regional ones is okay with me. New Hampshire (FCS power) isn't moving the needle over Norfolk State. So the notion that playing good FCS teams is what we need to be doing is only just slightly more getting our team used to MAC play. Nothing with tickets or fan support.

We never play Youngstown State.

Okay so read my bottom paragraph.

What does playing YSU do for Toledo? Top half FCS squad, who also wants to recruit our players.... We already have the edge.

What if we smoke em? Nothing changes, but maybe 250 more butts in the seats from their fans. We also could be slightly more ready for Kent State in MAC play.

What if we lose? Then YSU just gained a huge UP on us. They can then recruit kids who aren't academically ready for FBS, and tell them they will play close to home and beat MAC teams. NOT FRICKING GOOD! Their players also have an incentive to beat dudes they likely played against in high school. They'd be jacked up to get a chance in the Glass Bowl.

What local fan is going to attend for a home opener against YSU, but not against VMI? None, but YSU fans close to Toledo. Which is also a negative.

I don't like Tressel or anything he's involved with.

Yep, after 9/11 the YSU game was cancelled, then Tressel did not want to reschedule us for later but opted to play Marshall on an open date in November... He knew his Penguins were going to probably be drilled by that 2001 Rocket team, and wanted no part if possible...

It amazes me how G5 fans say this about FCS schools when we are essentially in the same position playing P5 schools. Yes, it's a bit different because it's a different subdivision. However, do you think any of the top P5 schools really care about playing a MAC school? Save me the 1/25 occasional upset.

It's a pay day and a chance to beat a bigger program. No need to poo-poo the FCS when they routinely beat MAC schools.

(09-09-2019 09:41 AM)george14 Wrote:  It amazes me how G5 fans say this about FCS schools when we are essentially in the same position playing P5 schools. Yes, it's a bit different because it's a different subdivision. However, do you think any of the top P5 schools really care about playing a MAC school? Save me the 1/25 occasional upset.

It's a pay day and a chance to beat a bigger program. No need to poo-poo the FCS when they routinely beat MAC schools.

Toledo's beaten something like 17 straight FCS opponents, mostly blow outs.
A number of them ranked. And Toledo is closer to mediocre and better than some
lower ranked P5 programs.

(09-09-2019 09:58 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 09:41 AM)george14 Wrote:  It amazes me how G5 fans say this about FCS schools when we are essentially in the same position playing P5 schools. Yes, it's a bit different because it's a different subdivision. However, do you think any of the top P5 schools really care about playing a MAC school? Save me the 1/25 occasional upset.

It's a pay day and a chance to beat a bigger program. No need to poo-poo the FCS when they routinely beat MAC schools.

Toledo's beaten something like 17 straight FCS opponents, mostly blow outs.
A number of them ranked. And Toledo is closer to mediocre and better than some
lower ranked P5 programs.

2007 - beat Liberty 35-34
2012 - beat CCU 38-28
2013 - beat EWU 33-21

Yes, Toledo has handled FCS, but let's not act like no games were competitive. Toledo is a MAC team that has exactly 1 MAC title during that time. Alabama plays FCS teams. Toledo will too. The MAC is not some high and mighty conference where we can look down on FCS. My point is not to turn this into a history lesson on Toledo, it's to illustrate that FCS teams are more than capable of beating G5 teams. Look at it as an easy win if you look down on FCS that often.

Yeah I don’t get the whole we shouldn’t play FCS schools logic. They fill home game spots and generally serve as tune up games. Every other FBS program does it. We’re no better

Toledo already has an FCS opponent penciled into their schedule every year... bgsucks

(09-09-2019 12:13 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  Yeah I don’t get the whole we shouldn’t play FCS schools logic. They fill home game spots and generally serve as tune up games. Every other FBS program does it. We’re no better

WHAT????!!!

(09-09-2019 09:58 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 09:41 AM)george14 Wrote:  It amazes me how G5 fans say this about FCS schools when we are essentially in the same position playing P5 schools. Yes, it's a bit different because it's a different subdivision. However, do you think any of the top P5 schools really care about playing a MAC school? Save me the 1/25 occasional upset.

It's a pay day and a chance to beat a bigger program. No need to poo-poo the FCS when they routinely beat MAC schools.

Toledo's beaten something like 17 straight FCS opponents, mostly blow outs.
A number of them ranked. And Toledo is closer to mediocre and better than some
lower ranked P5 programs.

+1

(09-09-2019 11:30 AM)george14 Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 09:58 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 09:41 AM)george14 Wrote:  It amazes me how G5 fans say this about FCS schools when we are essentially in the same position playing P5 schools. Yes, it's a bit different because it's a different subdivision. However, do you think any of the top P5 schools really care about playing a MAC school? Save me the 1/25 occasional upset.

It's a pay day and a chance to beat a bigger program. No need to poo-poo the FCS when they routinely beat MAC schools.

Toledo's beaten something like 17 straight FCS opponents, mostly blow outs.
A number of them ranked. And Toledo is closer to mediocre and better than some
lower ranked P5 programs.

Will there be a bigger crowd for BYU or Murray State?
If you play better competition, you generate more interest, and $$'s
Boise State will play anywhere anytime. the rockets need the same philosophy

2007 - beat Liberty 35-34
2012 - beat CCU 38-28
2013 - beat EWU 33-21

Yes, Toledo has handled FCS, but let's not act like no games were competitive. Toledo is a MAC team that has exactly 1 MAC title during that time. Alabama plays FCS teams. Toledo will too. The MAC is not some high and mighty conference where we can look down on FCS. My point is not to turn this into a history lesson on Toledo, it's to illustrate that FCS teams are more than capable of beating G5 teams. Look at it as an easy win if you look down on FCS that often.

(09-09-2019 01:09 PM)magoo Wrote:  Will there be a bigger crowd for BYU or Murray State?
If you play better competition, you generate more interest, and $$'s
Boise State will play anywhere anytime. the rockets need the same philosophy

And why can't this logic be applied to P5 schools? Do you think any PAC12 school wants to see a MAC school? No.

I respect Toledo representing the MAC well. But this logic is the exact same.

Depth Chart was updated -

Promising note that QBG is listed as the #1. Hope we can get him in for some drives, get a comfortable lead and get Carter/Cross some PT.

On a side note - boy do I hate these week 2 byes.

https://utrockets.com/documents/2019/9/9...9_9_19.pdf

I counted 4 senior starters on offense and 3 senior starters on defense. 7 of 22 starters are seniors. The team is relatively young.