(07-08-2019 08:22 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(07-07-2019 11:57 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Need to add these options to get an accurate read---

3) VCU+ a football only
4) VCU with no football only

I am not sure why you guys keep thinking VCU would accept an invite. They can schedule just fine OOC and the A10 is a tight league that is only slightly worse than AAC in basketball. Regardless of how good the A10 is (as last year was a down year for them and for VCU) they still got an 8 seed. That is pretty much their floor. Why would they leave to join a conference that is football first? Think they stay put unless other top A10 teams leave.

2019: AAC #6; A10 #11
2018: AAC #7; A10 #11
2017: AAC #7; A10 #8
2016: AAC #8; A10 #7
2015: AAC #8; A10 #7

Sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere, I don't peek in other threads we aren't invited into :D

If AAC membership gives them more money and better exposure, they will accept. Also, the AAC trends up (without much help from Memphis) while the A10 trends down (despite VCU propping it up).

(07-08-2019 07:24 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 07:05 AM)panite Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 06:19 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 12:47 AM)The Grape King Wrote:  Lol, the world from the Southern Miss perspective, huh?

I won't vote until this poll reflects serious candidates. How do you include Troy and go on to argue why Colorado State wasn't included? Complete nonsense.

VCU is the only school close to likely and you've ignored them again. Do you guys know what basketball is down there on the Gulf Coast?

Bc VCU does not have a football team and a basketball only won't be added

This statement has more logic and intellectual reasoning than any logic or intellectual reasoning behind the poll presented above. There will not be any BB / Olympic addition unless a FB only member like Navy is added first to balance the league at 12 and 12.

The person you quoted is the same person that made the poll.

And to the others offering up the "none" option; that was intentionally left out. The purpose of the poll is for you all to see the AACs legitimate options, if it were to add a 12th team. We all know the "none" option would receive the most votes, but that would serve no purpose. Why? Bc this is a vote on the best team to add as a 12th. Btw, a 12th team will likely be added amongst the above proposed, so vote up.

I know I quoted you and the post still stands. There is no one on that list the AAC wants right now. The AAC will stand at 11 and 11 until the next potential realignment period before it moves on with any one on your poll list. As a matter of fact the AAC will let UConn leave its FB in the league with monetary and bowl restrictions, and stay at 11 for BB / Olympic Sports until the next realignment period before adding anyone on that list too

(07-08-2019 08:09 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 08:01 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 07:24 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 07:05 AM)panite Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 06:19 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  Bc VCU does not have a football team and a basketball only won't be added

This statement has more logic and intellectual reasoning than any logic or intellectual reasoning behind the poll presented above. There will not be any BB / Olympic addition unless a FB only member like Navy is added first to balance the league at 12 and 12.

The person you quoted is the same person that made the poll.

And to the others offering up the "none" option; that was intentionally left out. The purpose of the poll is for you all to see the AACs legitimate options, if it were to add a 12th team. We all know the "none" option would receive the most votes, but that would serve no purpose. Why? Bc this is a vote on the best team to add as a 12th. Btw, a 12th team will likely be added amongst the above proposed, so vote up.

If you know this already (and I agree) why even do the poll then?!


That's not how teams are picked, so whats the point??

See that sentence you bolded and quoted above? Did you read the two sentences before it? How about the sentence after it? Bc those sentences answer exactly and specifically your two questions.

Things are starting to make a lot more sense to me regarding the Bearcat Nation.

The sentence before it mentions "legitimate options", but the poll doesn't include any. I think that's the general issue here.

The poll doesn't include ANY teams from the next best conference (Mountain West), which the AAC would likely go to first if BYU/Army gave a firm and public no.

Most of us are split on whether it would be worth it to add a MW team. Why on Earth would we just skip that conference from consideration all together?

(07-08-2019 08:22 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(07-07-2019 11:57 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Need to add these options to get an accurate read---

3) VCU+ a football only
4) VCU with no football only

I am not sure why you guys keep thinking VCU would accept an invite. They can schedule just fine OOC and the A10 is a tight league that is only slightly worse than AAC in basketball. Regardless of how good the A10 is (as last year was a down year for them and for VCU) they still got an 8 seed. That is pretty much their floor. Why would they leave to join a conference that is football first? Think they stay put unless other top A10 teams leave.

2019: AAC #6; A10 #11
2018: AAC #7; A10 #11
2017: AAC #7; A10 #8
2016: AAC #8; A10 #7
2015: AAC #8; A10 #7

Sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere, I don't peek in other threads we aren't invited into :D

Maybe they don't want to wait and be stuck when other teams leave. Those comparison numbers are nice, but what would they be ranked if you moved VCU from the A10 to the AAC in those years? Specifically the last 2 years that have had the same membership other wise. It's a wide gulf between the 2 leagues then. You'd look stupid trying to argue a VCU-less A10 is better than an AAC+VCU league.

(07-08-2019 08:22 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(07-07-2019 11:57 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Need to add these options to get an accurate read---

3) VCU+ a football only
4) VCU with no football only

I am not sure why you guys keep thinking VCU would accept an invite. They can schedule just fine OOC and the A10 is a tight league that is only slightly worse than AAC in basketball. Regardless of how good the A10 is (as last year was a down year for them and for VCU) they still got an 8 seed. That is pretty much their floor. Why would they leave to join a conference that is football first? Think they stay put unless other top A10 teams leave.

2019: AAC #6; A10 #11
2018: AAC #7; A10 #11
2017: AAC #7; A10 #8
2016: AAC #8; A10 #7
2015: AAC #8; A10 #7

Sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere, I don't peek in other threads we aren't invited into :D

More money. More exposure. Better NET—so better chance to make it as an at large.

The reality for non-football schools is that the current system is leading to more and more at large bids being taken by P5 schools with mediocre records. The only way to combat this is for the very best basket schools to group together in order to generate the kind of conference SOS that can land more at large bids.

(07-08-2019 09:31 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 08:22 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(07-07-2019 11:57 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Need to add these options to get an accurate read---

3) VCU+ a football only
4) VCU with no football only

I am not sure why you guys keep thinking VCU would accept an invite. They can schedule just fine OOC and the A10 is a tight league that is only slightly worse than AAC in basketball. Regardless of how good the A10 is (as last year was a down year for them and for VCU) they still got an 8 seed. That is pretty much their floor. Why would they leave to join a conference that is football first? Think they stay put unless other top A10 teams leave.

2019: AAC #6; A10 #11
2018: AAC #7; A10 #11
2017: AAC #7; A10 #8
2016: AAC #8; A10 #7
2015: AAC #8; A10 #7

Sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere, I don't peek in other threads we aren't invited into :D

Maybe they don't want to wait and be stuck when other teams leave. Those comparison numbers are nice, but what would they be ranked if you moved VCU from the A10 to the AAC in those years? Specifically the last 2 years that have had the same membership other wise. It's a wide gulf between the 2 leagues then. You'd look stupid trying to argue a VCU-less A10 is better than an AAC+VCU league.

Interesting concept. You may be on to something here...

(07-08-2019 09:36 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 09:31 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 08:22 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(07-07-2019 11:57 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Need to add these options to get an accurate read---

3) VCU+ a football only
4) VCU with no football only

I am not sure why you guys keep thinking VCU would accept an invite. They can schedule just fine OOC and the A10 is a tight league that is only slightly worse than AAC in basketball. Regardless of how good the A10 is (as last year was a down year for them and for VCU) they still got an 8 seed. That is pretty much their floor. Why would they leave to join a conference that is football first? Think they stay put unless other top A10 teams leave.

2019: AAC #6; A10 #11
2018: AAC #7; A10 #11
2017: AAC #7; A10 #8
2016: AAC #8; A10 #7
2015: AAC #8; A10 #7

Sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere, I don't peek in other threads we aren't invited into :D

Maybe they don't want to wait and be stuck when other teams leave. Those comparison numbers are nice, but what would they be ranked if you moved VCU from the A10 to the AAC in those years? Specifically the last 2 years that have had the same membership other wise. It's a wide gulf between the 2 leagues then. You'd look stupid trying to argue a VCU-less A10 is better than an AAC+VCU league.

Interesting concept. You may be on to something here...

Yes, it works well when you move up a league .. not when you move lateral or backwards

(07-08-2019 09:37 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 09:36 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 09:31 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 08:22 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(07-07-2019 11:57 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Need to add these options to get an accurate read---

3) VCU+ a football only
4) VCU with no football only

I am not sure why you guys keep thinking VCU would accept an invite. They can schedule just fine OOC and the A10 is a tight league that is only slightly worse than AAC in basketball. Regardless of how good the A10 is (as last year was a down year for them and for VCU) they still got an 8 seed. That is pretty much their floor. Why would they leave to join a conference that is football first? Think they stay put unless other top A10 teams leave.

2019: AAC #6; A10 #11
2018: AAC #7; A10 #11
2017: AAC #7; A10 #8
2016: AAC #8; A10 #7
2015: AAC #8; A10 #7

Sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere, I don't peek in other threads we aren't invited into :D

Maybe they don't want to wait and be stuck when other teams leave. Those comparison numbers are nice, but what would they be ranked if you moved VCU from the A10 to the AAC in those years? Specifically the last 2 years that have had the same membership other wise. It's a wide gulf between the 2 leagues then. You'd look stupid trying to argue a VCU-less A10 is better than an AAC+VCU league.

Interesting concept. You may be on to something here...

Yes, it works well when you move up a league .. not when you move lateral or backwards

I don't think the ranking comparison will work out in your favor this time...

(07-08-2019 09:38 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 09:37 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 09:36 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 09:31 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 08:22 AM)odu09 Wrote:  I am not sure why you guys keep thinking VCU would accept an invite. They can schedule just fine OOC and the A10 is a tight league that is only slightly worse than AAC in basketball. Regardless of how good the A10 is (as last year was a down year for them and for VCU) they still got an 8 seed. That is pretty much their floor. Why would they leave to join a conference that is football first? Think they stay put unless other top A10 teams leave.

2019: AAC #6; A10 #11
2018: AAC #7; A10 #11
2017: AAC #7; A10 #8
2016: AAC #8; A10 #7
2015: AAC #8; A10 #7

Sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere, I don't peek in other threads we aren't invited into :D

Maybe they don't want to wait and be stuck when other teams leave. Those comparison numbers are nice, but what would they be ranked if you moved VCU from the A10 to the AAC in those years? Specifically the last 2 years that have had the same membership other wise. It's a wide gulf between the 2 leagues then. You'd look stupid trying to argue a VCU-less A10 is better than an AAC+VCU league.

Interesting concept. You may be on to something here...

Yes, it works well when you move up a league .. not when you move lateral or backwards

I don't think the ranking comparison will work out in your favor this time...

Maybe .. but lots of other factors do work out in my favor ...

(07-08-2019 09:33 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 08:22 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(07-07-2019 11:57 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Need to add these options to get an accurate read---

3) VCU+ a football only
4) VCU with no football only

I am not sure why you guys keep thinking VCU would accept an invite. They can schedule just fine OOC and the A10 is a tight league that is only slightly worse than AAC in basketball. Regardless of how good the A10 is (as last year was a down year for them and for VCU) they still got an 8 seed. That is pretty much their floor. Why would they leave to join a conference that is football first? Think they stay put unless other top A10 teams leave.

2019: AAC #6; A10 #11
2018: AAC #7; A10 #11
2017: AAC #7; A10 #8
2016: AAC #8; A10 #7
2015: AAC #8; A10 #7

Sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere, I don't peek in other threads we aren't invited into :D

More money. More exposure. Better NET—so better chance to make it as an at large.

The reality for non-football schools is that the current system is leading to more and more at large bids being taken by P5 schools with mediocre records. The only way to combat this is for the very best basket schools to group together in order to generate the kind of conference SOS that can land more at large bids.

Going forward, the only conferences consistently obtaining multiple bides will be the P-5 + BE + AAC. Last year, 60% of all bids went to 22% of the total conferences eligible. More importantly, 89% of at-large bids were awarded to P-5, BE, and AAC schools.

(07-08-2019 06:47 AM)panite Wrote:  

(07-07-2019 11:30 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  I don’t see any option for none of the above

That was my first thought when I read the list. If the AAC can't get BYU or Army at this time (which they won't) the conference will stand at 11 and 11 until the next potential realignment period in 2025. Since UConn will not be able to leave their FB they may stay for 2 years anyway instead of 1 year to give the AD a chance to work on an independent schedule for 2021 and also to keep the exit fee as low as possible going out the door. If I was Aresco I'd keep UConn on as a FB only until the next realignment period before taking anyone off that list or try for a MWC member (Air Force - CSU - New Mexico) before looking at that list too.
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CSU is the only school outside of BYU/Boise I can get behind.

(07-08-2019 09:31 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 08:22 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(07-07-2019 11:57 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Need to add these options to get an accurate read---

3) VCU+ a football only
4) VCU with no football only

I am not sure why you guys keep thinking VCU would accept an invite. They can schedule just fine OOC and the A10 is a tight league that is only slightly worse than AAC in basketball. Regardless of how good the A10 is (as last year was a down year for them and for VCU) they still got an 8 seed. That is pretty much their floor. Why would they leave to join a conference that is football first? Think they stay put unless other top A10 teams leave.

2019: AAC #6; A10 #11
2018: AAC #7; A10 #11
2017: AAC #7; A10 #8
2016: AAC #8; A10 #7
2015: AAC #8; A10 #7

Sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere, I don't peek in other threads we aren't invited into :D

Maybe they don't want to wait and be stuck when other teams leave. Those comparison numbers are nice, but what would they be ranked if you moved VCU from the A10 to the AAC in those years? Specifically the last 2 years that have had the same membership other wise. It's a wide gulf between the 2 leagues then. You'd look stupid trying to argue a VCU-less A10 is better than an AAC+VCU league.

There's not really anywhere else for A10 teams to go though. With the addition of UCONN I don't think the BE will expand anytime soon. The only risk really is the worry that if they turn down the AAC then Dayton may accept. On the flip side the risk of being left in the AAC with the only schools that care about BB being Temple and WSU if the B12 expands or raids the AAC is very real. And it will be a football oriented league with them having a very small voice. It's not a slam dunk decision by any means. The AAC is a better league for now. VCU gets 75% of the NCAA credits they earn and a modest media payout from the A10. Could the AAC give them more money and exposure? Probably. Could they give them enough more money and exposure to make it worth the risk? IDK.

VCU Sucks BTW.

None

(07-08-2019 09:31 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 08:22 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(07-07-2019 11:57 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Need to add these options to get an accurate read---

3) VCU+ a football only
4) VCU with no football only

I am not sure why you guys keep thinking VCU would accept an invite. They can schedule just fine OOC and the A10 is a tight league that is only slightly worse than AAC in basketball. Regardless of how good the A10 is (as last year was a down year for them and for VCU) they still got an 8 seed. That is pretty much their floor. Why would they leave to join a conference that is football first? Think they stay put unless other top A10 teams leave.

2019: AAC #6; A10 #11
2018: AAC #7; A10 #11
2017: AAC #7; A10 #8
2016: AAC #8; A10 #7
2015: AAC #8; A10 #7

Sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere, I don't peek in other threads we aren't invited into :D

Maybe they don't want to wait and be stuck when other teams leave. Those comparison numbers are nice, but what would they be ranked if you moved VCU from the A10 to the AAC in those years? Specifically the last 2 years that have had the same membership other wise. It's a wide gulf between the 2 leagues then. You'd look stupid trying to argue a VCU-less A10 is better than an AAC+VCU league.

Well, yeah of course the AAC with VCU would be a better conference than the A10 without VCU. I don't think I made the argument that the A10 is currently better anyway. The AAC is not immune to bottom feeders in basketball, it comes with more travel costs, and comes with new schools and the removal of current rivals. I'm just not sure if all of that is really worth it to them, unless the money is really that much better. Does anyone know how much more money they'd be expecting to make if they made the switch? Dumb question - how much added exposure do they really get if they are going to be ranked in the top 25 most weeks anyway?

(07-08-2019 09:42 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 09:33 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 08:22 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(07-07-2019 11:57 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Need to add these options to get an accurate read---

3) VCU+ a football only
4) VCU with no football only

I am not sure why you guys keep thinking VCU would accept an invite. They can schedule just fine OOC and the A10 is a tight league that is only slightly worse than AAC in basketball. Regardless of how good the A10 is (as last year was a down year for them and for VCU) they still got an 8 seed. That is pretty much their floor. Why would they leave to join a conference that is football first? Think they stay put unless other top A10 teams leave.

2019: AAC #6; A10 #11
2018: AAC #7; A10 #11
2017: AAC #7; A10 #8
2016: AAC #8; A10 #7
2015: AAC #8; A10 #7

Sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere, I don't peek in other threads we aren't invited into :D

More money. More exposure. Better NET—so better chance to make it as an at large.

The reality for non-football schools is that the current system is leading to more and more at large bids being taken by P5 schools with mediocre records. The only way to combat this is for the very best basket schools to group together in order to generate the kind of conference SOS that can land more at large bids.

Going forward, the only conferences consistently obtaining multiple bides will be the P-5 + BE + AAC. Last year, 60% of all bids went to 22% of the total conferences eligible. More importantly, 89% of at-large bids were awarded to P-5, BE, and AAC schools.

And for the record, ODU defeated VCU 62-52 last season (and Syracuse 68-62 - at the Carrier Dome). VCU doesn't like to play teams that actually play defense and don't turn the ball over.

(07-08-2019 09:42 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 06:47 AM)panite Wrote:  

(07-07-2019 11:30 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  I don’t see any option for none of the above

That was my first thought when I read the list. If the AAC can't get BYU or Army at this time (which they won't) the conference will stand at 11 and 11 until the next potential realignment period in 2025. Since UConn will not be able to leave their FB they may stay for 2 years anyway instead of 1 year to give the AD a chance to work on an independent schedule for 2021 and also to keep the exit fee as low as possible going out the door. If I was Aresco I'd keep UConn on as a FB only until the next realignment period before taking anyone off that list or try for a MWC member (Air Force - CSU - New Mexico) before looking at that list too.
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CSU is the only school outside of BYU/Boise I can get behind.

I agree, but I could also get behind bringing in Air Force. No one from CUSA, SB or A10 bring anything to the table that would lift the profile or be of benefit to the AAC. Bottom line, I believe whatever happens, the league and ESPN will meet and from there decide to either stay at 11 or someone from the MWC or BYU will be brought in.

(07-08-2019 09:42 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 06:47 AM)panite Wrote:  

(07-07-2019 11:30 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  I don’t see any option for none of the above

That was my first thought when I read the list. If the AAC can't get BYU or Army at this time (which they won't) the conference will stand at 11 and 11 until the next potential realignment period in 2025. Since UConn will not be able to leave their FB they may stay for 2 years anyway instead of 1 year to give the AD a chance to work on an independent schedule for 2021 and also to keep the exit fee as low as possible going out the door. If I was Aresco I'd keep UConn on as a FB only until the next realignment period before taking anyone off that list or try for a MWC member (Air Force - CSU - New Mexico) before looking at that list too.
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CSU is the only school outside of BYU/Boise I can get behind.

They only beat 3 teams last year...and one was Arkansas. Alright, you're speaking my language....

(07-08-2019 07:17 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  Southern Miss, Georgia Southern, and South Alabama would be the best fits.

Would all be more preferable adds than UConn football.

(07-08-2019 09:51 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 09:31 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(07-08-2019 08:22 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(07-07-2019 11:57 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Need to add these options to get an accurate read---

3) VCU+ a football only
4) VCU with no football only

I am not sure why you guys keep thinking VCU would accept an invite. They can schedule just fine OOC and the A10 is a tight league that is only slightly worse than AAC in basketball. Regardless of how good the A10 is (as last year was a down year for them and for VCU) they still got an 8 seed. That is pretty much their floor. Why would they leave to join a conference that is football first? Think they stay put unless other top A10 teams leave.

2019: AAC #6; A10 #11
2018: AAC #7; A10 #11
2017: AAC #7; A10 #8
2016: AAC #8; A10 #7
2015: AAC #8; A10 #7

Sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere, I don't peek in other threads we aren't invited into :D

Maybe they don't want to wait and be stuck when other teams leave. Those comparison numbers are nice, but what would they be ranked if you moved VCU from the A10 to the AAC in those years? Specifically the last 2 years that have had the same membership other wise. It's a wide gulf between the 2 leagues then. You'd look stupid trying to argue a VCU-less A10 is better than an AAC+VCU league.

Well, yeah of course the AAC with VCU would be a better conference than the A10 without VCU. I don't think I made the argument that the A10 is currently better anyway. The AAC is not immune to bottom feeders in basketball, it comes with more travel costs, and comes with new schools and the removal of current rivals. I'm just not sure if all of that is really worth it to them, unless the money is really that much better. Does anyone know how much more money they'd be expecting to make if they made the switch? Dumb question - how much added exposure do they really get if they are going to be ranked in the top 25 most weeks anyway?

About 2.1 million a year in media money alone + a share of NCAA basketball credits.

Out of that list, I would vote to stay at 11. Literally there isnt a single one that I want in our conference. Not one.