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(08-23-2018 04:41 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 03:53 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 03:27 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  My decision to no longer contribute to ODAF or purchase tickets has been validated. They are free to make all of the bad choices they like, just without my money.

If your donation was of a relevant size they would care what you think. But since it’s not, they are okay with you taking your money and going home

2,825 ODAF members for 2017. So far this year 2,013. And I was in the top 10% and still ask with my token contribution to keep consecutive years going.

Read what you just wrote...... top 10% and they didn’t ask your opinion. Let that sink in....... because they don’t care about your donation. It’s not large enough to matter

(08-23-2018 04:42 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 03:51 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 02:59 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 01:57 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 01:03 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  I can support this. Recruiting has picked up now that we have the #2 class in CUSA. I think if Jones can get us to NCAA this year and next we could possibly see the recruiting trend continue.

I am with you on this. I don't profess to be a huge Jones fan but in the end his body of work has been solid and he has had us in contention just about every year. Whether people want to believe it or not the program was in the dumpster in BT's last years and Jones made us pretty respectable that first year. Plus, as Minium says he graduates his players. My biggest knock on Jones is that he didn't develope his bench at all least year when he finally had some depth, even though it was young. I am hoping as Bryant Smith and other assistants get more comfortable with him they are in his ear about that topic.

I guess... If you strive for being "solid". This shows exactly how much this administration cares about excelling at basketball. None.

The move to CUSA is what signified that ODU was going all in on football. Some fans just haven’t figured that out yet

It's comments like this that probably met with reaction from some fans calling you names or whatever you were complaining about in your first post. Just because you don't care about basketball doesn't mean the rest of us are okay with the administration making decisions against basketball. And yeah, the way you are posting in this thread is pretty insufferable. Congratulations on getting what you wanted. For some of us, this is actually painful.

You’re like a little child who hasn’t mastered reading comprehension yet...
1) my first post addressed the fact that I called this extension a LONG time ago and people called me all kinds of names for foreshadowing what obviously happened, 2) if you think the move from the CAA to CUSA was about anything BESIDES football you’re not very intelligent, 3) show me ONE post where I say I don’t give a damn about basketball...... i’ll wait.

I said it before and I’ll say it again you won’t find a coach fired who wins 25+ games. It just doesn’t happen.

(08-23-2018 04:44 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 03:53 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 03:27 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  My decision to no longer contribute to ODAF or purchase tickets has been validated. They are free to make all of the bad choices they like, just without my money.

If your donation was of a relevant size they would care what you think. But since it’s not, they are okay with you taking your money and going home

Was this really necessary?

It’s the truth. If DancinMonarch donated half a Mill a year administration would care what he had to say.

(08-23-2018 06:55 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Here is a very good analysis of JJ's career. Written by Herdzone from Marshall. Seems fans from other schools can see reality better than some of our own.

Well Jones is 114-58 at ODU. I don't see it as he can't win the big one, its he can't win the right ones. Jones style of play just like Tony Bennett and others went out of play even in college in the mid 80s. Defense plus the first to 50 usually doesn't get you to a conference title or winning the right games. You have to have more than one capable shooter on a team.

In his 26 years as HC he has only won 2 conference titles (both at American) and 3 division titles (one at Virginia and 2 at American).

Stange wording....He's won 5 regular season conference titles. 7 NCAA Appearances (including elite 8), 1 NIT title, NIT Final Four,

(08-23-2018 08:06 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 04:41 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 03:53 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 03:27 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  My decision to no longer contribute to ODAF or purchase tickets has been validated. They are free to make all of the bad choices they like, just without my money.

If your donation was of a relevant size they would care what you think. But since it’s not, they are okay with you taking your money and going home

2,825 ODAF members for 2017. So far this year 2,013. And I was in the top 10% and still ask with my token contribution to keep consecutive years going.

Read what you just wrote...... top 10% and they didn’t ask your opinion. Let that sink in....... because they don’t care about your donation. It’s not large enough to matter

If you alienate enough people from the top 10% and down then there will be plenty of prime seats available at The Ted and at Foreman. Dennis Ellmer can't and won't buy all of the rest.

(08-23-2018 08:24 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 06:55 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Here is a very good analysis of JJ's career. Written by Herdzone from Marshall. Seems fans from other schools can see reality better than some of our own.

Well Jones is 114-58 at ODU. I don't see it as he can't win the big one, its he can't win the right ones. Jones style of play just like Tony Bennett and others went out of play even in college in the mid 80s. Defense plus the first to 50 usually doesn't get you to a conference title or winning the right games. You have to have more than one capable shooter on a team.

In his 26 years as HC he has only won 2 conference titles (both at American) and 3 division titles (one at Virginia and 2 at American).

Stange wording....He's won 5 regular season conference titles. 7 NCAA Appearances (including elite 8), 1 NIT title, NIT Final Four,

And nothing of consequence at old dominion in 5 years going on 6.

(08-23-2018 04:14 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 02:40 PM)ETSUDB8-79 Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 02:28 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  Anything on Dickens?

Not yet. Still waiting on the NCAA who we all know is more than a little mercurial in their decisions *(unless it is UNC).

There is a huge question...can ODU even file with the NCAA if Dickens isn't on the roster or admitted to ODU ? My understanding is class work at Providence and a CC is still an issue. He has been working on it That should be resolved by now hopefully.

I notice that two ACC transfers, one from Miami and one from NC State were given clearance to play this year by the NCAA. I can't remember if their situations were similar or not to Dickens. Of course, they are Power 5 players, so we'll see what happens to mid-major ODU's appeal.

(08-23-2018 12:46 PM)ODU2K1 Wrote:  ODUSports.Com Article

Cue the wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth.

The article is definitely a balanced view of his coaching performance/tenure. I think the upcoming year will be a great measuring stick for his coaching ability. There will be a lot of opportunities to deliver big wins.

Well deserved contract extension. Thanks Dr. Selig.

Meanwhile, VCU is still smarting from the departure of their not so loyal head coach Will Wade.

The damage could take years to repair.

(08-24-2018 12:19 AM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  Well deserved contract extension. Thanks Dr. Selig.

Meanwhile, VCU is still smarting from the departure of their not so loyal head coach Will Wade.

The damage could take years to repair.

Yet they are still doing better than we are

(08-23-2018 08:11 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  You’re like a little child who hasn’t mastered reading comprehension yet...

I'm not gonna lie, I just stopped right here and didn't bother reading the rest of your post. You just complained about being called names earlier. Stay hypocritical.

(08-23-2018 08:06 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 04:41 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 03:53 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 03:27 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  My decision to no longer contribute to ODAF or purchase tickets has been validated. They are free to make all of the bad choices they like, just without my money.

If your donation was of a relevant size they would care what you think. But since it’s not, they are okay with you taking your money and going home

2,825 ODAF members for 2017. So far this year 2,013. And I was in the top 10% and still ask with my token contribution to keep consecutive years going.

Read what you just wrote...... top 10% and they didn’t ask your opinion. Let that sink in....... because they don’t care about your donation. It’s not large enough to matter

Some people just need to taste the pavement. Whats your donation Mr High and Mighty? You must not understand that many "small irrelevant" donations add up to "relevant" donations. Let the numbers speak before stupidity.

I must say I was a little bit surprised to read JJ got an extension this morning. I knew Wood wanted to give him an extension on his contract a year ago but Broderick said no.Wood loves JJ ...Broderick not so much. I really thought they would keep the pressure on JJ for one more year. I am of the opinion this year was the year he needed to deliver in order to get the extension.The paper said after this year and next year if JJ doesn't get the job done ODU can buy him out for the sum of $350,000. That is a very small amount. So in reality ODU gave JJ 2 more years to win CUSA. Have some significant wins over quality teams and make the NCAA tournament. I hope he does but if he does not then ODU needs to spend the $350,000.

(08-23-2018 03:51 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 02:59 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 01:57 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 01:03 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  I can support this. Recruiting has picked up now that we have the #2 class in CUSA. I think if Jones can get us to NCAA this year and next we could possibly see the recruiting trend continue.

I am with you on this. I don't profess to be a huge Jones fan but in the end his body of work has been solid and he has had us in contention just about every year. Whether people want to believe it or not the program was in the dumpster in BT's last years and Jones made us pretty respectable that first year. Plus, as Minium says he graduates his players. My biggest knock on Jones is that he didn't develope his bench at all least year when he finally had some depth, even though it was young. I am hoping as Bryant Smith and other assistants get more comfortable with him they are in his ear about that topic.

I guess... If you strive for being "solid". This shows exactly how much this administration cares about excelling at basketball. None.

The move to CUSA is what signified that ODU was going all in on football. Some fans just haven’t figured that out yet

Ok, so we are "all in" on football.

Football has 0 P5 wins in its history and hasn't even been remotely competitive in a P5 game or even against the top conference teams since Taylor Heinicke graduated. "New" stadium will likely draw some interest when it is finished, but I sure hope it brings in enough money to cover the payments and the loss of basketball money not only at the onset, but long term. In other words, they better get competitive because once the novelty of the "new" stadium wears off, they aren't going to be able to sustain it unless the team is competing at the minimum for conference titles. As it stands, despite the "all in" on football and back and forth on Jeff Jones, basketball is by far the better team. If football doesn't start performing in relation to all the investments, we are going to find ourselves in a situation where we can't even afford Jeff Jones, much less pay a better coach the market rate.

What was KB's contract status when she was let go?

(08-24-2018 07:25 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 03:51 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 02:59 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 01:57 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 01:03 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  I can support this. Recruiting has picked up now that we have the #2 class in CUSA. I think if Jones can get us to NCAA this year and next we could possibly see the recruiting trend continue.

I am with you on this. I don't profess to be a huge Jones fan but in the end his body of work has been solid and he has had us in contention just about every year. Whether people want to believe it or not the program was in the dumpster in BT's last years and Jones made us pretty respectable that first year. Plus, as Minium says he graduates his players. My biggest knock on Jones is that he didn't develope his bench at all least year when he finally had some depth, even though it was young. I am hoping as Bryant Smith and other assistants get more comfortable with him they are in his ear about that topic.

I guess... If you strive for being "solid". This shows exactly how much this administration cares about excelling at basketball. None.

The move to CUSA is what signified that ODU was going all in on football. Some fans just haven’t figured that out yet

Ok, so we are "all in" on football.

Football has 0 P5 wins in its history and hasn't even been remotely competitive in a P5 game or even against the top conference teams since Taylor Heinicke graduated. "New" stadium will likely draw some interest when it is finished, but I sure hope it brings in enough money to cover the payments and the loss of basketball money not only at the onset, but long term. In other words, they better get competitive because once the novelty of the "new" stadium wears off, they aren't going to be able to sustain it unless the team is competing at the minimum for conference titles. As it stands, despite the "all in" on football and back and forth on Jeff Jones, basketball is by far the better team. If football doesn't start performing in relation to all the investments, we are going to find ourselves in a situation where we can't even afford Jeff Jones, much less pay a better coach the market rate.

Does basketball came anywhere close to football in revenue?

(08-24-2018 07:54 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(08-24-2018 07:25 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 03:51 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 02:59 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 01:57 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  I am with you on this. I don't profess to be a huge Jones fan but in the end his body of work has been solid and he has had us in contention just about every year. Whether people want to believe it or not the program was in the dumpster in BT's last years and Jones made us pretty respectable that first year. Plus, as Minium says he graduates his players. My biggest knock on Jones is that he didn't develope his bench at all least year when he finally had some depth, even though it was young. I am hoping as Bryant Smith and other assistants get more comfortable with him they are in his ear about that topic.

I guess... If you strive for being "solid". This shows exactly how much this administration cares about excelling at basketball. None.

The move to CUSA is what signified that ODU was going all in on football. Some fans just haven’t figured that out yet

Ok, so we are "all in" on football.

Football has 0 P5 wins in its history and hasn't even been remotely competitive in a P5 game or even against the top conference teams since Taylor Heinicke graduated. "New" stadium will likely draw some interest when it is finished, but I sure hope it brings in enough money to cover the payments and the loss of basketball money not only at the onset, but long term. In other words, they better get competitive because once the novelty of the "new" stadium wears off, they aren't going to be able to sustain it unless the team is competing at the minimum for conference titles. As it stands, despite the "all in" on football and back and forth on Jeff Jones, basketball is by far the better team. If football doesn't start performing in relation to all the investments, we are going to find ourselves in a situation where we can't even afford Jeff Jones, much less pay a better coach the market rate.

Does basketball came anywhere close to football in revenue net income?

It depends. Not if you are Alabama or Clemson, but yes if you are Villanova or Kansas.

"2,825 ODAF members for 2017. So far this year 2,013."

Assuming this is accurate, I'd be curious to know the impact of the new tax laws on the reduced number of ODAF members if that trend continues. I don't think you can attribute this decline100% to fan dissatisfaction. Is it actually higher that in other years? Could the excitement of a football being added starting to wane?

(08-24-2018 07:54 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(08-24-2018 07:25 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 03:51 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 02:59 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 01:57 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  I am with you on this. I don't profess to be a huge Jones fan but in the end his body of work has been solid and he has had us in contention just about every year. Whether people want to believe it or not the program was in the dumpster in BT's last years and Jones made us pretty respectable that first year. Plus, as Minium says he graduates his players. My biggest knock on Jones is that he didn't develope his bench at all least year when he finally had some depth, even though it was young. I am hoping as Bryant Smith and other assistants get more comfortable with him they are in his ear about that topic.

I guess... If you strive for being "solid". This shows exactly how much this administration cares about excelling at basketball. None.

The move to CUSA is what signified that ODU was going all in on football. Some fans just haven’t figured that out yet

Ok, so we are "all in" on football.

Football has 0 P5 wins in its history and hasn't even been remotely competitive in a P5 game or even against the top conference teams since Taylor Heinicke graduated. "New" stadium will likely draw some interest when it is finished, but I sure hope it brings in enough money to cover the payments and the loss of basketball money not only at the onset, but long term. In other words, they better get competitive because once the novelty of the "new" stadium wears off, they aren't going to be able to sustain it unless the team is competing at the minimum for conference titles. As it stands, despite the "all in" on football and back and forth on Jeff Jones, basketball is by far the better team. If football doesn't start performing in relation to all the investments, we are going to find ourselves in a situation where we can't even afford Jeff Jones, much less pay a better coach the market rate.

Does basketball came anywhere close to football in revenue?

Yeah, let's look at revenue but not costs. That sounds like a great idea

Revenue is a two way street. Football may bring more, but it costss a hell of a lot more too.