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Man, we sure have some angry fans. Telling a fellow Monarch fan to flip off?

I think we all need a beer. Anyone want to meet me for one on Thursday before the game?

(02-27-2018 02:04 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  Let's not get into a fandom measure contest. It should be self evident that anyone posting hers is a fan of ODU and wants it to succeed. It isn't a productive discussion in any way.

Yep because in order to be labeled a true fan i've got to be inside the Ted during the game.

(02-27-2018 02:17 PM)mac Wrote:  Man, we sure have some angry fans. Telling a fellow Monarch fan to flip off?

Yeah absolutely. Better than the alternative right?

According to some, unless you attend home games, you're supposed to keep your mouth shut and not have any opinions.

(02-27-2018 01:41 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 10:55 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  Sorry to post this in 2 places, won't do it again, but I wasn't sure where it was more germane. Mods, please remove if you think necessary.

For those who want to fire him and replace with a "top assistant" here's what's I think would happen, and I've got some experience in this:
A) every single top assistant has an agent, or will get one
B) every single top assistant has a mentor or 2, whether it be the head coach or others
C) every top assistant has contacts inside the ODU program and inside CUSA. During summer and recruiting these guys travel in packs, drink in the bars, talk shop.

Here's what the top assistants will be told. The school just fired a guy who took over a 5-25 team and has won 111 games (and counting) in 5 years. Do you really want to go to a school that offers that type of administrative support? Think twice before jumping, Jon Scheyer or whomever.

We were interested in Amaker and Dawkins at one point and K steered then away. That was after Capel got fired.

You'll get retreads and maybe guys who aren't top assistants. hell, we hired an outside search team the last time and that was before the incumbent, former president of the coaches association and highly respected in that community, came in to a 5 win situation.

I understand the frustration, but it's going to take something far less than a 22-plus win season for JJ to go. And I think you better either get used to it or find another team to "root" for.

Period.

I am not buying that at all. There may be talk, but at the end of the day, this is a good job, and people will want it. People said the same things about NC State. They seem to have done pretty well for themselves.

Buy it, don't buy it. I don't care. The theme that came up was getting a top assistant coach, and I don't think that's going to happen. Yes, people will be interested, that wasn't the point.

Nonetheless, I'll throw out a name: Luke Murray. Look him up. Everything we could ask for.

(02-27-2018 02:33 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  Nonetheless, I'll throw out a name: Luke Murray. Look him up. Everything we could ask for.

Here's where I get concerned (not just about Murray, but, in general): If I'm an AD right now, I probably don't fire my coach no matter what, until this FBI investigation is over, because it is just too hard to know who is clean and who isn't. Luke Murray has worked for Pat Skerry (who has an interesting reputation), Sean Miller (need I say more?), and Chris Mack (who I really like but had players appear in last week's report). Honestly, if I'm an AD, I'm not touching Murray right now.

When Blaine got fired, I was all aboard the Tim Fuller bandwagon. Young, rising star in the profession with ties to Virginia. I thought he was the next big one. After getting caught up in the mess with Haith at Mizzou, he's not even in coaching any more.

Touche', Coach

(02-27-2018 01:42 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 12:06 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 12:02 PM)mac Wrote:  The interest isn't there, except for the fact that we lead CUSA in attendance.

How many of our bitter fans even attend home games?

Haven't missed one in years. You?

So you are a bitter fan? And you attend.... so we got at least 1-2.

(02-27-2018 01:53 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 12:06 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 12:02 PM)mac Wrote:  The interest isn't there, except for the fact that we lead CUSA in attendance.

How many of our bitter fans even attend home games?

How many posting here actually live in the area too? Maybe you should see where our location is before you question our ties and support of ODU basketball. Sorry Im not in the 757 and dont go to home games.

I've watched every game thats been on the tube through whatever resources are available. I've probably paid more to stream games then the cost of a ticket or multiple tickets so with all due respect, please flip off.

Who questioned anyones ties to the program? If you are the administration, why would you put much thought into the relatively low number of fans that are unhappy? The effect on bottom line is minimal.

(02-27-2018 02:27 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 02:17 PM)mac Wrote:  Man, we sure have some angry fans. Telling a fellow Monarch fan to flip off?

Yeah absolutely. Better than the alternative right?

According to some, unless you attend home games, you're supposed to keep your mouth shut and not have any opinions.

You are going off on a tangent that you completely misunderstood.

(02-27-2018 12:45 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Texas has unlimited resources. We don't. Their situation is in no way relevant to ours.

Below I've posted the record of a current midmajor coach who is going to be in high demand. He would have never made it, had some of you been the AD. (FWIW, I'm not suggesting we give Jones 10 years, I'm just suggesting that it takes time at our level, especially when playing in a one bid league).

2002–03 16–14 9–5 2nd (East)
2003–04 17–12 8–6 3rd (East)
2004–05 19–12 7–7 3rd (East)
2005–06 16–12 8–6 2nd (East)
2006–07 15–17 8–10 5th (East)
2007–08 17–15 11–7 3rd (East)
2008–09 18–14 10–8 3rd (East)
2009–10 19–14 13–5 2nd (East) CIT First Round
2010–11 16–16 10–6 2nd (East)
2011–12 27–7 14–2 1st (East) NIT Quarterfinals
2012–13 28–6 19–1 1st (East) NCAA First Four
2013–14 24–9 13–3 T–1st
2014–15 19–17 9–9 6th CIT First Round
2015–16 25–10 13–5 2nd NCAA Round of 32
2016–17 31–5 17–1 1st NCAA Round of 32

Our good 'ol buddy Kermit. I'm right there with you Coach!

(02-27-2018 02:18 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  I think we all need a beer. Anyone want to meet me for one on Thursday before the game?

I'm up to share a beer, Coach!

Coach, excellent point on all these assistants. I hate all these cheaters and all this big money thrown around. And I'm not fully sure but I'm thinking I don't like the graduate transfer rule anymore. Folks allegely buying relatives cars and such. I hope the FBI comes down hard on all these people. Really hard.

And regarding Texas, heck, they have their own TV network. We have trouble getting a game on a local station or a computer. And along these lines, why the heck doesn't ODU bring back the radio coaches show. Everyone with all these questions and all we do is talk among the same 20 people mostly. Be nice to be able to ask the coach these questions sometimes.

(02-27-2018 02:39 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 02:33 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  Nonetheless, I'll throw out a name: Luke Murray. Look him up. Everything we could ask for.

Here's where I get concerned (not just about Murray, but, in general): If I'm an AD right now, I probably don't fire my coach no matter what, until this FBI investigation is over, because it is just too hard to know who is clean and who isn't. Luke Murray has worked for Pat Skerry (who has an interesting reputation), Sean Miller (need I say more?), and Chris Mack (who I really like but had players appear in last week's report). Honestly, if I'm an AD, I'm not touching Murray right now.

When Blaine got fired, I was all aboard the Tim Fuller bandwagon. Young, rising star in the profession with ties to Virginia. I thought he was the next big one. After getting caught up in the mess with Haith at Mizzou, he's not even in coaching any more.

Weren't there similar qualms about Keatts getting show-caused with the Louisville mess when his name was bounced around for the ODU opening?

(02-27-2018 05:01 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 02:39 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 02:33 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  Nonetheless, I'll throw out a name: Luke Murray. Look him up. Everything we could ask for.

Here's where I get concerned (not just about Murray, but, in general): If I'm an AD right now, I probably don't fire my coach no matter what, until this FBI investigation is over, because it is just too hard to know who is clean and who isn't. Luke Murray has worked for Pat Skerry (who has an interesting reputation), Sean Miller (need I say more?), and Chris Mack (who I really like but had players appear in last week's report). Honestly, if I'm an AD, I'm not touching Murray right now.

When Blaine got fired, I was all aboard the Tim Fuller bandwagon. Young, rising star in the profession with ties to Virginia. I thought he was the next big one. After getting caught up in the mess with Haith at Mizzou, he's not even in coaching any more.

Weren't there similar qualms about Keatts getting show-caused with the Louisville mess when his name was bounced around for the ODU opening?

Yes, and look what has happened to Louisville in relation to the years he was there. Let me be clear I am not saying he was or is guilty of anything but there were questions about Louisville's program in the air at that time. Alas. he was a part of that program and after the BT debacle I am told they were being cautious.

(02-27-2018 04:18 PM)mac Wrote:  Coach, excellent point on all these assistants. I hate all these cheaters and all this big money thrown around. And I'm not fully sure but I'm thinking I don't like the graduate transfer rule anymore. Folks allegely buying relatives cars and such. I hope the FBI comes down hard on all these people. Really hard.

And regarding Texas, heck, they have their own TV network. We have trouble getting a game on a local station or a computer. And along these lines, why the heck doesn't ODU bring back the radio coaches show. Everyone with all these questions and all we do is talk among the same 20 people mostly. Be nice to be able to ask the coach these questions sometimes.

That is why there is no coaches show. JJ is not interested in our opinions or thoughts nor is he interested in explaining his.

(02-27-2018 01:53 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 12:06 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 12:02 PM)mac Wrote:  The interest isn't there, except for the fact that we lead CUSA in attendance.

How many of our bitter fans even attend home games?

How many posting here actually live in the area too? Maybe you should see where our location is before you question our ties and support of ODU basketball. Sorry Im not in the 757 and dont go to home games.

I've watched every game thats been on the tube through whatever resources are available. I've probably paid more to stream games then the cost of a ticket or multiple tickets so with all due respect, please flip off.

I live in 757, but on the other side of the water with a wife that hates sports and 3 young kids. I go to as many games as I can, which will be 5 this year (plus I was at the W&M game). Weekday games are nearly impossible, but I did expend some honey do capital and went to the MTSU game. I will be there Saturday for senior night. I think we can do better than JJ, but I don't think Wood Selig will hire better than JJ so I support JJ keeping his job for the time being. I support Wood Selig being fired ASAP.

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Why should JJ be concerned with your thoughts or opinions on how to run the program? Do you attend practices? Do you sit in on coaches' meetings? Are you privy to how recruiting is going? If not, you don't have the knowledge base to formulate a respectable opinion.

CEOs don't worry themselves with the opinion of every shareholder. That's not their job. Their job is to maximize profits to the best of their ability using all the information they have at their disposal...not to listen to a bunch of dips that watched Jim Cramer scream on TV for 30 minutes a few weeks ago.

(02-27-2018 09:45 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  Why should JJ be concerned with your thoughts or opinions on how to run the program? Do you attend practices? Do you sit in on coaches' meetings? Are you privy to how recruiting is going? If not, you don't have the knowledge base to formulate a respectable opinion.

CEOs don't worry themselves with the opinion of every shareholder. That's not their job. Their job is to maximize profits to the best of their ability using all the information they have at their disposal...not to listen to a bunch of dips that watched Jim Cramer scream on TV for 30 minutes a few weeks ago.

JJ runs a fine program. As far as I know, he plays within the rules and he is knowledgable. He has talent and it should yield a top 50 team. Problem is he is not inspirational and he is not good at motivating. Major gap.

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(02-27-2018 05:12 PM)ETSUDB8-79 Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 05:01 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 02:39 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 02:33 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  Nonetheless, I'll throw out a name: Luke Murray. Look him up. Everything we could ask for.

Here's where I get concerned (not just about Murray, but, in general): If I'm an AD right now, I probably don't fire my coach no matter what, until this FBI investigation is over, because it is just too hard to know who is clean and who isn't. Luke Murray has worked for Pat Skerry (who has an interesting reputation), Sean Miller (need I say more?), and Chris Mack (who I really like but had players appear in last week's report). Honestly, if I'm an AD, I'm not touching Murray right now.

When Blaine got fired, I was all aboard the Tim Fuller bandwagon. Young, rising star in the profession with ties to Virginia. I thought he was the next big one. After getting caught up in the mess with Haith at Mizzou, he's not even in coaching any more.

Weren't there similar qualms about Keatts getting show-caused with the Louisville mess when his name was bounced around for the ODU opening?

Yes, and look what has happened to Louisville in relation to the years he was there. Let me be clear I am not saying he was or is guilty of anything but there were questions about Louisville's program in the air at that time. Alas. he was a part of that program and after the BT debacle I am told they were being cautious.

... And look what has happened to Keatts. Not even a single mention of him ever doing anything illegal. We should probably stop defaming the guy to defend hiring JJ over maybe the best young coach in college basketball. Certainly he is the best turnaround artist out there right now. We also didn't hire Gregg Marshall previously because people thought he was a dick. We have the distinction of not hiring two of the best young coaches in basketball. Might be time for a different approach.

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