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AND Richard Ross would have blocked everybody's shot in the paint, dunked on everyone and still managed to score about 10 points a game. Im still loving that block he made on VCU's Tillman and Tillman flopped to the ground like a pancake.

(02-26-2018 04:36 PM)odu83alumni Wrote:  AND Richard Ross would have blocked everybody's shot in the paint, dunked on everyone and still managed to score about 10 points a game.

Yeah, Ross was a very fun player to watch. Ross, Batten and Painter would be very welcome additions to this team. Maybe a big enough difference to beat those other two teams. I cant remember... did Dimitri play any point guard?

(02-26-2018 04:34 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 02:24 PM)ODU2011 Wrote:  Can someone with more knowledge tell me how bad the team was that jones inherited?

5-25. Talent level was that of about a .500 team, but that was exacerbated by BT's meltdown.

Not even close. There were 3 juniors in the rotation and the remainder were freshman and sophs. The 3 juniors were Ross, Batten, and Ebondo.

Ha, that was NOT a .500 roster. Not even close. It wasn't even a .500 roster in the MEAC.

(02-26-2018 04:44 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 04:34 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 02:24 PM)ODU2011 Wrote:  Can someone with more knowledge tell me how bad the team was that jones inherited?

5-25. Talent level was that of about a .500 team, but that was exacerbated by BT's meltdown.

Not even close. There were 3 juniors in the rotation and the remainder were freshman and sophs. The 3 juniors were Ross, Batten, and Ebondo.

It doesn't take a ton to be .500 in CUSA. That team beat UVA also, if I remember correctly. The talent was not good, but it was not nearly as bad as the record.

They finished 3-5 down the stretch without Blaine.

(02-26-2018 04:46 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 04:44 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 04:34 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 02:24 PM)ODU2011 Wrote:  Can someone with more knowledge tell me how bad the team was that jones inherited?

5-25. Talent level was that of about a .500 team, but that was exacerbated by BT's meltdown.

Not even close. There were 3 juniors in the rotation and the remainder were freshman and sophs. The 3 juniors were Ross, Batten, and Ebondo.

It doesn't take a ton to be .500 in CUSA. That team beat UVA also, if I remember correctly. The talent was not good, but it was not nearly as bad as the record.

They also lost to Holy Cross. Scoringn 45 points. I was there.

(02-26-2018 04:48 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 04:46 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 04:44 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 04:34 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 02:24 PM)ODU2011 Wrote:  Can someone with more knowledge tell me how bad the team was that jones inherited?

5-25. Talent level was that of about a .500 team, but that was exacerbated by BT's meltdown.

Not even close. There were 3 juniors in the rotation and the remainder were freshman and sophs. The 3 juniors were Ross, Batten, and Ebondo.

It doesn't take a ton to be .500 in CUSA. That team beat UVA also, if I remember correctly. The talent was not good, but it was not nearly as bad as the record.

They also lost to Holy Cross. Scoringn 45 points. I was there.

12/22/2012 ODU beat Virginia 63-61 in the Governors Cup game in Richmond.

(02-26-2018 04:48 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  They finished 3-5 down the stretch without Blaine.

You just made my point for me. Thanks.

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Here is an interesting comparison of schedules: Old Dominion and Maryland

RPI: UMD 65 ODU 73
BPI: UMD 40 ODU 60
The results of both teams allow anyone to easily determine just how good they are.
But a tougher schedule can clearly give you a better ranking with far more losses.

http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2018/s...d-Dominion

http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2018/s...e/Maryland

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...iew/page/1

(02-26-2018 05:26 PM)odu83alumni Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 04:48 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 04:46 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 04:44 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 04:34 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  5-25. Talent level was that of about a .500 team, but that was exacerbated by BT's meltdown.

Not even close. There were 3 juniors in the rotation and the remainder were freshman and sophs. The 3 juniors were Ross, Batten, and Ebondo.

It doesn't take a ton to be .500 in CUSA. That team beat UVA also, if I remember correctly. The talent was not good, but it was not nearly as bad as the record.

They also lost to Holy Cross. Scoringn 45 points. I was there.

12/22/2012 ODU beat Virginia 63-61 in the Governors Cup game in Richmond.

I was at that game... it was the highlight of the season!

(02-26-2018 06:44 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 04:48 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  They finished 3-5 down the stretch without Blaine.

You just made my point for me. Thanks.

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Your point was they were a .500 team without BT. There's no evidence of that.

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(02-26-2018 08:08 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 06:44 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 04:48 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  They finished 3-5 down the stretch without Blaine.

You just made my point for me. Thanks.

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Your point was they were a .500 team without BT. There's no evidence of that.

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Well its conjecture, of course. I assume you are smart enough to realize that there is no evidence either opinion.

And, they were 2-20 with BT. Simply removing him brought significant improvement. It's not hard to imagine that a full season of coaching from someone who wasn't a cancer, would have led to even better performance. Further, they were roughly . 500 team the next season, and a bit better than .500 the year prior. Looks like there is a pretty clear outlier... 2-20.

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(02-26-2018 08:20 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 08:08 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 06:44 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 04:48 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  They finished 3-5 down the stretch without Blaine.

You just made my point for me. Thanks.

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Your point was they were a .500 team without BT. There's no evidence of that.

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Well its conjecture, of course. I assume you are smart enough to realize that there is no evidence either opinion.

And, they were 2-20 with BT. Simply removing him brought significant improvement. It's not hard to imagine that a full season of coaching from someone who wasn't a cancer, would have led to even better performance. Further, they were roughly . 500 team the next season, and a bit better than .500 the year prior. Looks like there is a pretty clear outlier... 2-20.

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With different players

(02-26-2018 08:36 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 08:20 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 08:08 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 06:44 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 04:48 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  They finished 3-5 down the stretch without Blaine.

You just made my point for me. Thanks.

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Your point was they were a .500 team without BT. There's no evidence of that.

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Well its conjecture, of course. I assume you are smart enough to realize that there is no evidence either opinion.

And, they were 2-20 with BT. Simply removing him brought significant improvement. It's not hard to imagine that a full season of coaching from someone who wasn't a cancer, would have led to even better performance. Further, they were roughly . 500 team the next season, and a bit better than .500 the year prior. Looks like there is a pretty clear outlier... 2-20.

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With different players

Got it. That one season just randomly happened to have 5 win talent and was book ended with two seasons with much better talent.

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(02-26-2018 08:43 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 08:36 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 08:20 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 08:08 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 06:44 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  You just made my point for me. Thanks.

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Your point was they were a .500 team without BT. There's no evidence of that.

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Well its conjecture, of course. I assume you are smart enough to realize that there is no evidence either opinion.

And, they were 2-20 with BT. Simply removing him brought significant improvement. It's not hard to imagine that a full season of coaching from someone who wasn't a cancer, would have led to even better performance. Further, they were roughly . 500 team the next season, and a bit better than .500 the year prior. Looks like there is a pretty clear outlier... 2-20.

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With different players

Got it. That one season just randomly happened to have 5 win talent and was book ended with two seasons with much better talent.

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Did you see what left after the previous year and how there were no seniors and 3 juniors on roster? (One being Ebondo). Baker and Taylor were forced to play a ton...as freshman. That team was terrible.

Turnover is real

(02-26-2018 12:27 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 11:02 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 10:47 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 03:34 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 03:20 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  After our loss... we are down to 26% chance of making the NCAA tournament. We are over a 90% of acheiving a 3 seed. Looking at the numbers had we beat WKU and then got to the finals of the CUSA tournament we likely would have been 50-50for an at large bid.

50-50 for an at large?????? Not a freaking chance.

Mid majors have to have extremely impressive resumes and quality wins to get at large bids. We have neither.

Zero.zero for an at large whether we won or lost that game. Not even in the discussion.

You need to read the post. You jump to way to many conclusions without reading or comprehending the post. It said if we had beaten WKU, won out and lost in the finals of CUSA Tournament we would have had a 50/50 chance of at large.

My humble opinion: even in that scenario, we don't get an at large. Our SoS is actually garbage. WKU would be our only good win, because as a 2 or 3 seed we'd be facing MT in the final. So we would have one Top 100 win and no Top 50 wins. That is definitely not good enough for an at large.

50/50 may be a bit high, but I would guess the chances would be over 33%.

Zero.zero.

Our best OOC win was who exactly? Fairfield?

Yeah.........we aren't anywhere near an at large, even if we had beaten wku twice between now and tourney time.

It's incredible you purport to be a numbers guy and can't admit this.

(02-26-2018 02:32 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 02:24 PM)ODU2011 Wrote:  Can someone with more knowledge tell me how bad the team was that jones inherited?

Came off 5 wins. Starters were:

Bacote- Soph
Batten- Jr
Palmore- Soph
Ross- Jr
Taylor-Fr

Bench:
Baker- Fr
Mosely- Fr
Ebondo-Jr

(we were supposed to also have Donte Hill)

Don't forget Freeman was already headed here and jones lucked into getting him.

Which is one of the main reasons people have given him this much rope.

(02-26-2018 01:53 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 01:49 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 12:32 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 10:48 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 10:25 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  I want to be the top team too. Both those teams have three really good seniors. Their best players. Maybe that’s the difference. I don’t know. I do that think that's a big deal at the mid conference level though. both those teams have awesome grad transfers. Ours blew his knee out.

I get your point, but the whole mindset around our program really concerns me. So let's say next year is the year. WKU and MTSU take a step back and we have solid seniors in Caver, BJ, and, Porter and step up and win the conference and make the tournament. We are 6 years in at that point, and all the patient people around this program reset the clock and defend JJ with 20+ win seasons and that 2019 trip to the tournament as we fail to make the tournament for the next 5 seasons. We are 11 seasons in with 1 NCAA tournament appearance at that point. That is the way I realistically see this playing out. I am very concerned that we are well on our way to an entire lost decade because JJ continues to do just enough to hang on.

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Jones should not be judged based on the failures of the previous staff. Lets face it, he took over nothing and immediately got us to a competitive level. The recruiting is steadly improving and we probably have the best class coming in that we've had in years (even better if you consider the addition of Kithcart).

I'm not saying things are perfect, but there would be some risk going from at the very least very competitive (Probably NIT level team) to a new coach and possibly losing young players/recruits.

I always though this year was an important year and we are are a strong team that plays a more exciting brand. If Jones gets canned, sobeit, but it would make me very nervous. (thats even ignoring what the proposed salary for new coach would be).

Damn. How long are going to keep blaming the previous staff? It's been 5 YEARS. Keatts had a far worse UNCW program playing close to a top 25 in 2 years. It's time to stop blaming the previous coaches. Sheesh. JJ has to get it done. Will you agree with that at some point?

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UNCW did not have it worse, FWIW. And what Jones is doing now is not related to Blaine, but Jones certainly rose us from trash (5 wins) to respected (18 wins) to competitive (27 wins) in a short amount of time. You stated it has been 11 years (or whatever it was) that we haven't been in the tourney...Jones wasn't responsible for 11 years.

Yes they did have it worse.

That team was nowhere near as bad as it was on the court because they were being coached by a drunk and it showed.

Sure, jones turned it around the next year but that team wasn't nearly as bad as the win total from the year before. That's a ridiculous exaggeration and you know it.

(02-26-2018 02:38 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 02:24 PM)ODU2011 Wrote:  Can someone with more knowledge tell me how bad the team was that jones inherited?

Blaine's final roster had Nick Wright, Aaron Bacon, Keenan Palmore, Dimitri Batten, Abrose Mosely, DeShawn Painter, Ekene Anachebe, Deion Clark, Stuart McEwen, Richard Ross, Donte Hill, Anton Larson

Only five of those guys would get ANY playing time on this years team. Those would be Dimitri Batten, Ambrose Mosely, DeShawn Painter, Richard Ross and Donte Hill. Those five were all good players, but I don't think I'd trade any of our starters for any of those guys. Maybe, Painter, maybe. If you could trade Alfis, Pickney, Kah, Carver for them, we'd probably win CUSA.

The biggest problem wasn't a lack of talent (although there was a huge drop off once you got to the bench), it was a coach dealing with other issues than coaching a basketball team.

JJ got all of them except Painter and Nick Wright. Anachabe and McEwan transferred too, but that didnt matter.

The point is that team wasn't nearly as bad as the record indicated so that "amazing" turn around by jones is highly overrated.

That team wasn't good but it was never THAT bad. He was wasted and it completely demoralized the team.