(02-04-2018 10:42 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Why do democrats hate that people get to keep more of their money? I mean if you don’t like it Mach, send your paycheck to the government, and stop bitching about it.


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Because there is NO logical way to spin it as negative.

I blue..... you are off by a factor of a 1000. That’s 1.4 billion.......

(02-04-2018 12:37 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You deficit spend when the economy is contracting you pay down the deficit when the economy is expanding. You said that Owl at one time before this current administration. There was absolutely no reason to do what we did other than to pay back the donors to the Republican Party. That’s hould be shouted form every roof top and it’s not. Now if you want to give corporations a tax break to make them more competitive in world markets fine. But add a VAT. Absolutely zero reason to add to the deficit when you have an expanding economy.

(02-04-2018 12:42 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The sickest part. This was sold as good for jobs. Corporations were already sitting on record profits. They aren’t just going to hire more people to hire more people. The vast majority of the savings is going to go into stock buybacks

(02-04-2018 12:44 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Automation too.

You're talking to yourself again.

At least it wasn't in the middle of the night this time. Progress.

Hell YES you can spin it as a negative when they want to cut Medi Care and Medi Caid. When they come after social security. Just wait til they start cutting social security. That’s been paid into for generations and both parties have dipped into the fund to pay bills. We have zero business is giving a tax cut. We are severely underfunded.

Where is the buy gold talk?

Where are the we will be Greece threads?

Where am I wrong Kronke?

Try to answer without bringing up Obama or Clinton.

(02-04-2018 10:05 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-04-2018 09:56 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Another thing that we all would be talking about if the D’s had a Fox News. Congress voted to sanction Russia. The deadline has passed with no sanctions. Why?

D's have CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, PBS. Why do they need a Fox?

Why would the Demons want a network that doesn't lie. It would drive them bonkers. Fox ISN'T fake news.

I will give you credit for one thing Mach, you are certainly a true believer of liberalism.


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Ollie is anybody talking about it? No. If this situation were reversed it would be on everyn15 minutesbon Fox News. Another one I thought of. The way you guys use you get to keep your Dr. if you like your Dr. if D’s had a Fox News we would loop Mexico,paying for the wall. He said it multiple times. I would have that on constant loop and him not sanctioning Russia.

(02-04-2018 11:12 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Ollie is anybody talking about it? No. If this situation were reversed it would be on everyn15 minutesbon Fox News. Another one I thought of. The way you guys use you get to keep your Dr. if you like your Dr. if D’s had a Fox News we would loop Mexico,paying for the wall. He said it multiple times. I would have that on constant loop and him not sanctioning Russia.

Does your TV not pick up CNN & MSNBC?

No it's not fair there's a station that's no biased towards libs and it should be. Mach's a joke.

(02-03-2018 10:17 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Koch brothers probably pay more in taxes in a year than that lady will earn in her life

Yes, this point is SOOOOOO ignored by the jealous left. The Koch brothers (and the like) have contributed FAR MORE to the country than any "little ol' lady earning $30K per" or whatever - I didn't open the link for the deets.

Since a black man has been elected to the highest office in the land, a black woman born in the 50s in Mississippi has become literally a billionaire, and Starbucks's Howard Schultz grew up in a housing complex, nobody has any reason to be jealous of the rich. Basically... quit biching and go out there, kill something, drag it home, and eat it. If you want it, you have to do what it takes to get it. Which usually means turning off the TV, your social media feed, this message board (for another instance), stop going to bars every night and spending all of your money on $12 mixed drinks and cover charges, etc. But people don't want to do that. They would rather hate others who HAVE done what it takes to be wealthy.

And don't bother retorting with "but what about those that were born into wealth?" It takes effort and discipline to not go broke when you didn't earn it to begin with. Ask any ol' lottery winner.

(02-04-2018 02:09 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-03-2018 10:15 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Buy elections........

They probably won't screw it up like others have.

Yep, at least we would in all likelihood win a rigged election.

(02-04-2018 09:29 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-03-2018 11:40 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(02-03-2018 10:12 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  KT Nelson: lmao the koch brothers got $1,400,000,000 from the GOP tax cut but hey congrats to this nice lady on her free weekly snickers.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVINWGDW0AANfRv.jpg

Democrats hate rich people

They love that foreigner George Soros who makes the Koch Bros look like pikers in political contributions. And yet they hate fellow Eastern European immigrant Melaneia.

They'd be bowing down to her if she was married to Soros.

(02-04-2018 09:54 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  At the end of this fairy gumdrop rainbow will be inflation. We will deficit spend to increase inflation. You watch. The vast vast majority will have any savings from a tax cut eaten up by inflation. The vast vast majority of this benefit will go to the donor a Republican class. If the D’s had a nickel of sense in marketing this would be filling our airwaves but we don’t have the equivalent propaganda arm of Fox News.

Hey, at least you aren't really lying given that your propaganda arm is huge by comparison.

(02-04-2018 10:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-04-2018 09:54 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  At the end of this fairy gumdrop rainbow will be inflation. We will deficit spend to increase inflation. You watch. The vast vast majority will have any savings from a tax cut eaten up by inflation. The vast vast majority of this benefit will go to the donor a Republican class. If the D’s had a nickel of sense in marketing this would be filling our airwaves but we don’t have the equivalent propaganda arm of Fox News.

This tax cut was fundamentally an effort to bring our corporate tax rates in line with the rest of the world. The rest is window dressing. Its success will be measured in a metric that is almost impossible to quantify--how much investment comes to the US to create how many jobs as a result of removing the tax penalties associated with doing so.

This in spades. ^ It sure can help to even the playing field.

I recall threads over on the old P/R board at memphistigers.org years ago about the need to lower our corporate tax rates to be competitive in a global economy. I think those discussions began back when Ireland lowered their corp. tax rate down to 12.5% on on all corp. trading profits with 25% on all passive corp. income. It's at least partly responsible for the robust economy they enjoy today.

https://www.heritage.org/index/country/ireland

"Low corporate taxes and a talented high-technology labor pool attract foreign multinationals. The government opposes a September 2017 European Commission proposal to increase the corporate tax rate and screen foreign direct investment in the bloc."

(02-04-2018 02:49 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I blue..... you are off by a factor of a 1000. That’s 1.4 billion.......

Well, like I said, I'm petty.

I hate the fact that others are more successful than me!

Off with their head!

(02-04-2018 04:06 AM)Kronke Wrote:  80% of America including 91% of the middle class is getting a tax cut. Finding the vast minority that isn't, and attempting to magnify it is a LOSING argument, but be my guest.

That's not even remotely possible. Fewer than 50% of Americans pay income tax, so it's more likely that 40-47% of Americans benefit from tax cuts. Arguing tax cuts on the basis of class warfare is a losing proposition, it's a stacked deck...