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RE: MLB Expansion/Realignment
(12-18-2017 11:03 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(12-18-2017 12:42 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(12-17-2017 09:43 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(12-17-2017 12:19 PM)bluesox Wrote:  32 does make sense but hard to see it happen without fixing Oakland and TB stadiums.

This.

MLB will let the A's and Rays have the option (or just threat) of moving elsewhere in order to get their ballpark issues settled. There won't be any serious discussion of expansion until those two franchises are done with their efforts to get new ballparks.

The Giants should get with the program and let the A's move to San Jose. Or the A's can get with the program and realize that, relatively speaking, the Bay Area isn't as large as it used to be and move somewhere else, like Portland.

The A's ownership has looked into other markets. Local TV revenue would take a big hit moving from the Bay Area to Portland, even if the Mariners didn't complain or demand compensation for taking the Oregon TV homes out of their "home market". Sacramento or any other available market would have the same problem. And they still have to find several hundred million to build a new ballpark in any possible market -- or they can spend half that much and turn the Coliseum into a baseball-only park like the Angels did at Angel Stadium after the Rams moved out.

As for San Jose, MLB told the A's ownership that the Giants had the right to block the A's moving there. The A's could offer to pay the Giants, and probably have, but I'm guessing the Giants want a helluva lot more than the A's want to pay. Giants' ownership still has a huge bank debt for their ballpark, and they would likely want a very large amount (wild guess: $100 million) that would go toward paying that debt down. It doesn't work financially for the A's ownership to pay that much to the Giants and also pay to build a new ballpark in San Jose from scratch.

Interesting...I guess it goes back to what I was saying about there being no good unavailable markets left in the MLB...unless they wanted to triple up in New York or LA.
12-18-2017 02:03 PM
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RE: MLB Expansion/Realignment
(12-16-2017 02:27 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 11:32 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Move the Rays somewhere that basically has already failed as an MLB host despite 2 World Series titles? They might as well stay where they are. The Marlins might as well stay, at least Miami has some potential being so close to Latin America. But I'd move the Marlins to New Jersey, Yankees be damned, and Rays to LA...well, at least if I were an owner who wanted to make money. There's no new market that can can do much better than any current MLB market.

In all honesty, the megalopolis that is NY/NJ/NE could definitely handle another franchise. Used to be 3 teams in NYC in the old days, seemed to work fine. And it also happens to be the region of the country where fans are most likely to really engage and be passionate about the sport.

The only challenges would be overcoming long time loyalties to the teams that are already there. That and convincing the other owners it would work.

The loyalties part would be the hardest to overcome, what baseball fan in New York already isn't tied to the Mets or Yankees? That's one of the biggest hidden problems the Marlins and Rays have had to deal with, coming into a city full of transplants and getting people to shift lifetime allegiances during the age of cable television and internet. The best chance of the MLB getting some good fan bases are where there's a decent home-grown population base (e.g. San Antonio, Montreal would be my two picks). But yeah, they won't do anything so long as the Tampa Bay and Oakland situations are still in flux.
12-18-2017 10:23 PM
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RE: MLB Expansion/Realignment
San Antonio doesn't have enough disposable income. Until recently, it was a miracle that they could support the Spurs, who likely would have moved if they hadn't been so good for so long. They still struggle with attendance during the regular season.

Montreal at least used to have a team but I'd still be surprised if they could support one today. I'd just be surprised if any market that doesn't currently have a team could support one. Population density is one thing but over 80% of all current MLB franchises have been there for generations.
12-19-2017 04:13 AM
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RE: MLB Expansion/Realignment
Or in other words, even if a place has enough population, they still have to keep fans once the novelty wears off.
12-19-2017 04:19 AM
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