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RE: MLB Expansion/Realignment
I don't usually watch MLB or really care much about it, but I watched it this year because of the Astros. Two things I noticed about the league...

-The small number of Southern baseball teams

-the small size of the playoffs

I think if they add teams, they should expand the presence in the south
12-17-2017 09:37 PM
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(12-17-2017 12:19 PM)bluesox Wrote:  32 does make sense but hard to see it happen without fixing Oakland and TB stadiums.

This.

MLB will let the A's and Rays have the option (or just threat) of moving elsewhere in order to get their ballpark issues settled. There won't be any serious discussion of expansion until those two franchises are done with their efforts to get new ballparks.
12-17-2017 09:43 PM
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(12-17-2017 09:37 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  I don't usually watch MLB or really care much about it, but I watched it this year because of the Astros. Two things I noticed about the league...

-The small number of Southern baseball teams

-the small size of the playoffs

I think if they add teams, they should expand the presence in the south

There's no non-current market that could realistically support a team. They would have had to have been there for generations. Maybe Austin or the Chesapeake Bay cities could but that's about it. The rest are either too small or have too many teams, if not both.
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12-17-2017 11:33 PM
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RE: MLB Expansion/Realignment
(12-17-2017 09:43 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(12-17-2017 12:19 PM)bluesox Wrote:  32 does make sense but hard to see it happen without fixing Oakland and TB stadiums.

This.

MLB will let the A's and Rays have the option (or just threat) of moving elsewhere in order to get their ballpark issues settled. There won't be any serious discussion of expansion until those two franchises are done with their efforts to get new ballparks.

The Giants should get with the program and let the A's move to San Jose. Or the A's can get with the program and realize that, relatively speaking, the Bay Area isn't as large as it used to be and move somewhere else, like Portland.
12-18-2017 12:42 AM
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(12-18-2017 12:42 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(12-17-2017 09:43 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(12-17-2017 12:19 PM)bluesox Wrote:  32 does make sense but hard to see it happen without fixing Oakland and TB stadiums.

This.

MLB will let the A's and Rays have the option (or just threat) of moving elsewhere in order to get their ballpark issues settled. There won't be any serious discussion of expansion until those two franchises are done with their efforts to get new ballparks.

The Giants should get with the program and let the A's move to San Jose. Or the A's can get with the program and realize that, relatively speaking, the Bay Area isn't as large as it used to be and move somewhere else, like Portland.

What do you mean by that? Relative to what? Portland metro population is about 2 MM; Bay Area is 7.
12-18-2017 01:14 AM
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The Bay Area may be bigger but the Giants get the lion's share of attention and fandom. The East Bay is smaller, poorer and looked down upon, whether it's fair or not. There's just not room for 2 Bay Area pro sports teams in a major sport like there used to be.
12-18-2017 01:31 AM
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For decades, the Bay Area was easily the fourth or fifth largest metro area and pound-for-pound the richest (because New York, for all its rich people, is weighed down by its middle, working and under classes). But now it's barely bigger than numerous metro areas.
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12-18-2017 01:52 AM
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(12-17-2017 11:33 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(12-17-2017 09:37 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  I don't usually watch MLB or really care much about it, but I watched it this year because of the Astros. Two things I noticed about the league...

-The small number of Southern baseball teams

-the small size of the playoffs

I think if they add teams, they should expand the presence in the south

There's no non-current market that could realistically support a team. They would have had to have been there for generations. Maybe Austin or the Chesapeake Bay cities could but that's about it. The rest are either too small or have too many teams, if not both.

You are telling me the MLB can't find a way to get two teams into Charlotte, Memphis, Nashville, Birmingham, New Orleans, or San Antonio??
12-18-2017 10:02 AM
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(12-18-2017 12:42 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(12-17-2017 09:43 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(12-17-2017 12:19 PM)bluesox Wrote:  32 does make sense but hard to see it happen without fixing Oakland and TB stadiums.

This.

MLB will let the A's and Rays have the option (or just threat) of moving elsewhere in order to get their ballpark issues settled. There won't be any serious discussion of expansion until those two franchises are done with their efforts to get new ballparks.

The Giants should get with the program and let the A's move to San Jose. Or the A's can get with the program and realize that, relatively speaking, the Bay Area isn't as large as it used to be and move somewhere else, like Portland.

The A's ownership has looked into other markets. Local TV revenue would take a big hit moving from the Bay Area to Portland, even if the Mariners didn't complain or demand compensation for taking the Oregon TV homes out of their "home market". Sacramento or any other available market would have the same problem. And they still have to find several hundred million to build a new ballpark in any possible market -- or they can spend half that much and turn the Coliseum into a baseball-only park like the Angels did at Angel Stadium after the Rams moved out.

As for San Jose, MLB told the A's ownership that the Giants had the right to block the A's moving there. The A's could offer to pay the Giants, and probably have, but I'm guessing the Giants want a helluva lot more than the A's want to pay. Giants' ownership still has a huge bank debt for their ballpark, and they would likely want a very large amount (wild guess: $100 million) that would go toward paying that debt down. It doesn't work financially for the A's ownership to pay that much to the Giants and also pay to build a new ballpark in San Jose from scratch.
12-18-2017 11:03 AM
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(12-18-2017 10:02 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  
(12-17-2017 11:33 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(12-17-2017 09:37 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  I don't usually watch MLB or really care much about it, but I watched it this year because of the Astros. Two things I noticed about the league...

-The small number of Southern baseball teams

-the small size of the playoffs

I think if they add teams, they should expand the presence in the south

There's no non-current market that could realistically support a team. They would have had to have been there for generations. Maybe Austin or the Chesapeake Bay cities could but that's about it. The rest are either too small or have too many teams, if not both.

You are telling me the MLB can't find a way to get two teams into Charlotte, Memphis, Nashville, Birmingham, New Orleans, or San Antonio??

What did I just say? They already have too many teams or aren't big enough, if not both.

You might be trying to be sarcastic, I can't tell.
12-18-2017 01:55 PM
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