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MLB Expansion/Realignment
There were a couple of articles earlier in the week about a “growing consensus” to MLB expansion to 32 teams. Montreal and Portland appearing to be the front runners.

Speculation of realignment to only 4 divisions of 8 teams each, with the possibility of even dropping the American and National Leagues to go to more regional divisions. Perhaps reducing the regular season to 156 games as well.

Lots of potential changes, I think the most likely is expansion to 32 teams. There’s a few other locations that could challenge Portland, but I definitely think Montreal is a front runner. I could definitely see two new teams playing within 5 years, maybe sooner. It’s currently the longest time without expansion since the leagues first expanded, and owners could probably get $50M or more each just from expansion fees from two teams.
10-19-2017 08:04 PM
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What were the expansion waves then?

I ask because wasn't it like

Rockies/Marlins

then

Devil Rays/Diamondbacks

... then Expos moved to become the Nationals?

I'm still surprised that NC hasn't gotten a pro team but yeah, the could probably use more western teams.
10-19-2017 08:21 PM
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(10-19-2017 08:21 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  What were the expansion waves then?

I ask because wasn't it like

Rockies/Marlins

then

Devil Rays/Diamondbacks

... then Expos moved to become the Nationals?

I'm still surprised that NC hasn't gotten a pro team but yeah, the could probably use more western teams.

Correct, NL expanded with Marlins and Rockies. Arizona and Tampa were supposed to be AL expansion teams later in the 90s but Arizona didn’t want to be an AL team so Bud Selig had the Brewers move the NL, keeping the AL at 14 teams while the NL went up to 16 teams. Then the Astros moved to AL a couple years ago evening the leagues at 15 teams, but requiring interleague games played all season due to having an odd number of teams in each league.
10-19-2017 08:33 PM
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There won't be MLB expansion unless there are places where some city or county or state pays over half of the cost of building a ballpark. No potential owner is going to pay for all of a $1 billion ballpark on top of an expansion fee of $1 billion or more.

If public money was there for a ballpark, I'd put Austin or San Antonio at the top of the list. They are about 80 miles apart and have a combined metro population of 4.5 million.
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Getting ballparks built is definitely a big challenge to any expansion. Cities putting up the money to getting a stadium built will basically be a requirement for getting a franchise.
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(10-19-2017 08:38 PM)Wedge Wrote:  There won't be MLB expansion unless there are places where some city or county or state pays over half of the cost of building a ballpark. No potential owner is going to pay for all of a $1 billion ballpark on top of an expansion fee of $1 billion or more.

If public money was there for a ballpark, I'd put Austin or San Antonio at the top of the list. They are about 80 miles apart and have a combined metro population of 4.5 million.

That would work in football, not baseball. Too many home dates. Even if you put a stadium halfway, it'd be far from the ticket buying public in both cities and closer to San Antonio, which is taxed out from supporting the Spurs and has little more disposable income.
10-20-2017 03:30 AM
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Baseball requires a really big market or ballpark culture (i.e. like at minor league games where no one but friends and family care all too much about the game). As noted in another thread, there's only about 3 legit small markets that haven't had teams for scores/a full century of years.
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I think this is really only a three horse race between Charlotte, Montreal, and Portland.

Indianapolis probably should be in the discussion (15th largest city, 34th largest Metro) but Cincinnati and Chicago (more so the Cubs) will mow them down pretty quickly. Portland will probably be the useful empty threat for everyone in need of a stadium.

If it's Charlotte and Montreal, Charlotte's AAA team can move to Birmingham. Nashville and Memphis join the IL. The PCL can park the new AAA franchises in two of Portland, Escondido, Tucson, Vancouver, or Edmonton. Birmingham's Southern League team moves to Huntsville.
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(10-20-2017 03:30 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(10-19-2017 08:38 PM)Wedge Wrote:  There won't be MLB expansion unless there are places where some city or county or state pays over half of the cost of building a ballpark. No potential owner is going to pay for all of a $1 billion ballpark on top of an expansion fee of $1 billion or more.

If public money was there for a ballpark, I'd put Austin or San Antonio at the top of the list. They are about 80 miles apart and have a combined metro population of 4.5 million.

That would work in football, not baseball. Too many home dates. Even if you put a stadium halfway, it'd be far from the ticket buying public in both cities and closer to San Antonio, which is taxed out from supporting the Spurs and has little more disposable income.

I looked at the post in terms of either San Antonio or Austin, not both, no doubt that a joint effort would fail. Both cities would be a great pick imo. My other choice would be Montreal, that was a solid baseball market that was screwed over big time. Charlotte is already big Braves territory IIRC so that makes it more difficult.

I'd be surprised if baseball expanded before the Rays and A's figure out their stadium situations. It's a lot easier to extort local markets when you don't have other large cities to move to, and both teams' owners are having a hard enough time as it is even with that theoretical leverage.
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(10-23-2017 07:58 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I think this is really only a three horse race between Charlotte, Montreal, and Portland.

Indianapolis probably should be in the discussion (15th largest city, 34th largest Metro) but Cincinnati and Chicago (more so the Cubs) will mow them down pretty quickly. Portland will probably be the useful empty threat for everyone in need of a stadium.

If it's Charlotte and Montreal, Charlotte's AAA team can move to Birmingham. Nashville and Memphis join the IL. The PCL can park the new AAA franchises in two of Portland, Escondido, Tucson, Vancouver, or Edmonton. Birmingham's Southern League team moves to Huntsville.

Indy has no chance. Indy is basketball crazy, yet unless something has changed in recent years, the Pacers have never turned a profit. A third team, especially in baseball would really be taxing the market to the limit with an NFL team already present. The disposable income is just not there, as they're pressing to support two teams. Ditto for Charlotte, although they didn't like the owner, the current Pelicans' franchise moved in part because there's only so much disposable income there. When the economy is doing well, so does Charlotte but when it tanks it really gets hit hard, as it is primarily a banking city.

I just don't see how Montreal would work. Many French-Canadians are anti-American which is a major reason the Expos support tailed off [the Strike enhanced it but it wasn't everything. They only got 31k for their last ever game]. Go to Vancouver or somewhere else first before Montreal.
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