(09-20-2017 12:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote: (09-20-2017 10:47 AM)umbluegray Wrote: (09-20-2017 09:55 AM)Fitbud Wrote: (09-20-2017 09:48 AM)Kronke Wrote: Anything that ends up with less people being covered (even if it's of their own volition) is going to be framed by alt-leftists as "cuts", even though there are explicit guarantees for those with pre-existing conditions in the bill.
Quote:Bill Cassidy responds to Jimmy Kimmel: Obamacare overhaul 'absolutely' protects pre-existing condition patients
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/bill-c...le/2635010
Not only that, less people covered likely means rate increases to cover the short fall.
Since money is all that some people care about.
I don't know. I think most people care about others -- in a hierarchy.
I want what's best for my wife, children, grandchildren.
You should want what's best for yours.
And what's best would be that they are able to provide for themselves and not unduly burden others.
By providing for themselves they consequently free up resources that could be used to help the truly needy.
But, you know, collectivism.
I see what you are saying but I don't think you see the bigger picture.
Just like you I care first for my family. But I also understand that people who don't have healthcare ultimately become ill of preventable diseases.
Conservatives like to say there is no such thing as a free lunch. So I ask you, who pays for those hospital services when people without health insurance gets sick of something that could have been prevented?
So even if we only care about our own family, wanting everyone to have health care actually is good for us because we keep people alive who can otherwise contribute to the Collectivism that is our country.
Everyone has "healthcare". What we're really talking about is insurance/coverage.
I want everyone to have insurance -- conditionally. First,
if they want it. Some people choose NOT to purchase health coverage. That is their right.
Secondly, I don't mind helping people who need help. But I definitely mind giving my money to those who can do for themselves but choose not to.
As a teenager I worked to put myself through college. I didn't take student loans. I found a job that provided tuition reimbursement. I've been gainfully employed the bulk of my entire life. I did what I had to do to make sure I could take care of me and mine.
It's not difficult. People from all over the world come here because of the opportunities our nation/society provides.
Unfortunately, our political class has screwed up our primary and secondary education system. Millions of children won't be able to read or write at a functionally literate level. Though they are able-bodied and bright-minded, they won't be prepared to function successfully and independently in society.
On top of that, the War on Poverty escalated the welfare state which had a
horrendous impact on the nuclear family. We know via empirical data that a child raised in a two-parent home is much more likely to graduate high school, to be able to read and write, to avoid drugs and avoid criminal activity.
We have doomed too many generations to broken homes and a lack of an education.
And now, the government that gave us those scourges are asking us to pay for its failure to prepare people for self-sufficiency -- whether it's EBT, healthcare, phones, cars, housing, etc.
Of course, people need housing and food. We just have very different ideas about the best way to provide those.
This isn't quite apples-to-apples, but it's relevant. Several years ago (around 2008 give or take) then Tiger basketball coach John Calipari took his team to China where they played 3 games in 3 cities against 3 different teams.
The local paper, The Commercial Appeal, ran articles from that trip -- some about the team, some about the location. I remember one distinctly.
Twenty years prior this village was like the rest of China, i.e. agrarian and poor. The people would farm the land, give the produce to the government and in return be provided their share.
Then the government decided to try an experiment. They decided to take a specific amount of the produce and allowed the farmer to keep everything above that amount.
Productivity soared! Farmers began generating wealth. This village grew until, 20 years later, it was a thriving productive city.
American people are very charitable. In fact, we tend to rank 1st globally and the Southern/Midwestern states tend to rank 1st nationally.
Charity means we [i[choose[/i] to help others. We're OK with that.
But human nature inherently opposes being robbed, that is, being forced to hand over the rewards of our labor.
Collectivism stifles human productivity. Unfortunately we're doing an incredibly poor job of preparing our children to be independent and productive.
Millions upon millions of Americans simply do not like trying to treat the symptoms rather than finding the cure (health pun intended).
We get that the leftists challenge our actions as not being compassionate, but in reality our's IS the compassionate approach. The progressives, with an air of smug superiority, are content with dooming millions of people to nothing more than handouts.
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