(09-20-2017 12:06 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 11:42 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 08:46 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 08:01 AM)miko33 Wrote:  No doubt I'll piss some people off with this statement, but it's my opinion. I have a very difficult time rationalizing people who intentionally build homes in areas that are in areas with high hurricane activity. Also, can't rationalize the logic to build homes in known flood plains as well. Anyone who suffers severe damage from a bad hurricane or epic flood should be helped out...HOWEVER, they have to rebuild in an area that is NOT IN A HURRICANE ZONE OR ON A FLOOD PLAIN!!!

Rebuilding people's homes in the exact same places that were seriously damaged will likely result in them needing more assistance later when the next one hits. I feel bad for those living in the islands who have no choice but to live there. But in the U.S., we should know better.

I get what you are saying but folks have lived along the coast since the beginning of civilization. You want folks to stop building/living on the coast then make insurance unavailable. Not saying I agree with that, but that would do it, IMO.

True, out of necessity people lived along the costs in the earliest civilizations - especially in regions with an arid interior. However, in the modern world (at least in the first world) people live along the coasts for the luxury of doing that. At least the majority of people do that. Add in the U.S. has a very hospitable climate away from the coasts and you really have zero excuse aside from wanting to live that coastal climate life. It's not a need to live there - it's a want.

I agree; however, folks are free to choose if they want to live at the coast and choose to take the associated risks. If they can afford the risks, then I'm by no means the person to tell them they can't live at the beach.

Fair enough and I agree. No gov't bailouts then. However...they ALWAYS get bailed out. We ALWAYS foot the bill every FVCKING TIME their houses get ruined by a hurricane.

(09-19-2017 04:39 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  This how you build, even in USA hurricane zone.

It looks like its on a hill side, how exactly is any structure gonna do you any good when its placed like that?

(09-20-2017 12:17 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 04:39 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  This how you build, even in USA hurricane zone.

It looks like its on a hill side, how exactly is any structure gonna do you any good when its placed like that?

Talking about the construction method. There is a reason Habitat for Humanity builds those and calls them Hurricane houses. You assume to much relative to the hillside, do you think a hurricane or water will take the hillside down and destroy the house. The hillside is also being reinforced. Here is another, might get flooded but cinderblock you can clean that up.

I know you were talking about the method. It's all for naught if the water goes falling downhill.

And that's not as great of a design as you think. I'd have put it on stilts or had a really elevated foundation for floods. It may help with wind but not floods.

(09-20-2017 05:32 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I know you were talking about the method. It's all for naught if the water goes falling downhill.

And that's not as great of a design as you think. I'd have put it on stilts or had a really elevated foundation for floods. It may help with wind but not floods.

C2, which house? The first one is in Campo (country inland not coastal) the other is urban, street flooding. Nonetheless Cinder Block won't get toppled from massive rain or wind, a large mudslide is a different matter. In the photo I do not think if that hill came down is destroy the house.

So all of Puerto Rico has lost power (the entire country with 3.4 million people!). And now the Governor of Puerto Rico says it could be months before power is restored to everyone.

"Puerto Rico, which has been through a long recession and is deeply in debt, has a power grid that is "a little bit old, mishandled and weak," he said in perhaps the understatement of the century.

And by the way, the European model which tends to be the best model for hurricane tracks does have Maria skirting New York or Massachusetts in a little less than a week. Probably not as a Cat 4 or 5, but maybe Cat 2 or 3.

(09-20-2017 09:10 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  So all of Puerto Rico has lost power (the entire country with 3.4 million people!). And now the Governor of Puerto Rico says it could be months before power is restored to everyone.

"Puerto Rico, which has been through a long recession and is deeply in debt, has a power grid that is "a little bit old, mishandled and weak," he said in perhaps the understatement of the century.

And by the way, the European model which tends to be the best model for hurricane tracks does have Maria skirting New York or Massachusetts in a little less than a week. Probably not as a Cat 4 or 5, but maybe Cat 2 or 3.

Probably a mass exodus to the USA for PR folks.

"This is not the same island," the Republican congresswoman told "Squawk Box." "There are no trees. There are no palm trees."

"Most of the houses lost part of the windows [and] doors," she added. "People with wooden houses, of course, didn't resist it — this type of environment like never before."
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/21/puerto-r...maria.html