(09-05-2017 05:31 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-r...allowed-to

Poll: 76 percent of voters say 'Dreamers' should be allowed to stay

Quote:More than three-quarters of Americans surveyed think that beneficiaries of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrival (DACA) program should be allowed to stay in the United States, according to a Morning Consult/Politico poll.

Seventy-six percent of respondents said the government should allow immigrants brought to the U.S. illegally as children to remain. 58 percent of that 76 percent believe they should be able to become citizens if they meet certain requirements, while 18 percent said they should be allowed to become legal residents.

Only 15 percent of respondents said such immigrants — commonly called "Dreamers" — should be deported, the poll found.

And 62% of Americans think Confederate statues should stay put.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/08/17/...e-statues/

(09-05-2017 04:09 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  gotta love how the leftists are spinning this as anti brown people. I wasn't aware that all illegal immigrants were brown.

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Who here has said that this is anti brown people? I don't even think anyone here has mentioned race.

(09-05-2017 06:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 02:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 12:49 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Let's put responsibility where it belongs, the parents of these poorly named "Dreamers."

The only people anybody should be mad at are them.

I see the US as having zero moral responsibility to those individuals.

I guess if youre brown or black, you can punish the kids for the parents' crimes, is the thinking here.

Trump is a racist/white supremacist and that really the beginning and end of it. There's no need to really try to analyze it further.

And lets not even start on obeying procedure, after his pardoning of Arpaio's racism in Arizona.

BTW, some of y'all in here got really upset when I complained about the GOP Congress/Trump providing permanent residence status to a white foreign child for purposes of getting medical treatment. But then again, that child was white. And therefore, in Trump's estimation, worthy of accommodation. In other words, whites are supreme in Trumpland.

Wow. That might be the most ridiculous post you've ever made. So we are equating a single child visiting the US for an emergency life saving procedure along with a single pardon of an 80 year old man (committed a fairly minor infraction) with King Obama using his non-existent powers of monarchy (no doubt derived from pulling Excaliber out of a large stone) to give citizenship to 11 million people in direct violation of the US Constitution.

Two things you left out in your misinformed diatribe.

1) The law was about to be overturned via a law suit filed by state AG's.

2) The Trump solution actually allowed DACA to survive an additional 6 months and gave Congress one more opportunity to fashion some sort of legal fix for the program. A congressional solution essentially short circuits the state AG law suit.

The move by Trump was actually about the best possible outcome for DACA. Had Trump either done nothing or concurred with the Obama decision, the AG case would have ended the program anyway (likely on much less favorable terms).

That child "merited" congressional action on a STAND ALONE BILL, with Trump signing it, for permanent residency status from the GOP. He was white. Meanwhile 800,000 Americans will be thrown out of the only country they've ever known, simply because they are brown. Or be held up as hostages.

This whole DACA repeal is just a simple appeal to racism by Trump either because Trump is a racist or he's pandering to them.

Prove me wrong by not using their lives as hostages to enact other legislation.
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Why even mention the courts? They apparently don't exist in Trumpworld. Because Trump pardoned direct racism by Arpaio.

(09-06-2017 09:46 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 04:09 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  gotta love how the leftists are spinning this as anti brown people. I wasn't aware that all illegal immigrants were brown.

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Who here has said that this is anti brown people? I don't even think anyone here has mentioned race.

Lazy Tom did.

(09-06-2017 10:27 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  blah, blah, gay, gay, gay...

HOW DO DOCTORS YOU HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE KNOW YOU'RE GAY?

(09-06-2017 10:42 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 10:27 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  blah, blah, gay, gay, gay...

HOW DO DOCTORS YOU HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE KNOW YOU'RE GAY?

Wrong thread.

(09-06-2017 10:39 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 09:46 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 04:09 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  gotta love how the leftists are spinning this as anti brown people. I wasn't aware that all illegal immigrants were brown.

Sent from my SM-J700T using CSNbbs mobile app

Who here has said that this is anti brown people? I don't even think anyone here has mentioned race.

Lazy Tom did.

Yes, DACA repeal, especially in the face of the GOP's stand alone legislation to grant permenant resident status to a white national of the UK, is flat out racist.

Trump doesn't care about the Constitutional order, after his pardoning of Arpaio.

Please note that there's no immigration crackdown on Poles living in Chicago. But then again, they're white.

(09-06-2017 10:45 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 10:39 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 09:46 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 04:09 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  gotta love how the leftists are spinning this as anti brown people. I wasn't aware that all illegal immigrants were brown.

Sent from my SM-J700T using CSNbbs mobile app

Who here has said that this is anti brown people? I don't even think anyone here has mentioned race.

Lazy Tom did.

Yes, DACA repeal, especially in the face of the GOP's stand alone legislation to grant permenant resident status to a white national of the UK, is flat out racist.

Trump doesn't care about the Constitutional order, after his pardoning of Arpaio.

Please note that there's no immigration crackdown on Poles living in Chicago. But then again, they're white.

right like you care about poor black in chicago. STOP THE BULL

(09-06-2017 10:27 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 06:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 02:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 12:49 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Let's put responsibility where it belongs, the parents of these poorly named "Dreamers."

The only people anybody should be mad at are them.

I see the US as having zero moral responsibility to those individuals.

I guess if youre brown or black, you can punish the kids for the parents' crimes, is the thinking here.

Trump is a racist/white supremacist and that really the beginning and end of it. There's no need to really try to analyze it further.

And lets not even start on obeying procedure, after his pardoning of Arpaio's racism in Arizona.

BTW, some of y'all in here got really upset when I complained about the GOP Congress/Trump providing permanent residence status to a white foreign child for purposes of getting medical treatment. But then again, that child was white. And therefore, in Trump's estimation, worthy of accommodation. In other words, whites are supreme in Trumpland.

Wow. That might be the most ridiculous post you've ever made. So we are equating a single child visiting the US for an emergency life saving procedure along with a single pardon of an 80 year old man (committed a fairly minor infraction) with King Obama using his non-existent powers of monarchy (no doubt derived from pulling Excaliber out of a large stone) to give citizenship to 11 million people in direct violation of the US Constitution.

Two things you left out in your misinformed diatribe.

1) The law was about to be overturned via a law suit filed by state AG's.

2) The Trump solution actually allowed DACA to survive an additional 6 months and gave Congress one more opportunity to fashion some sort of legal fix for the program. A congressional solution essentially short circuits the state AG law suit.

The move by Trump was actually about the best possible outcome for DACA. Had Trump either done nothing or concurred with the Obama decision, the AG case would have ended the program anyway (likely on much less favorable terms).

That child "merited" congressional action on a STAND ALONE BILL, with Trump signing it, for permanent residency status from the GOP. He was white. Meanwhile 800,000 Americans will be thrown out of the only country they've ever known, simply because they are brown. Or be held up as hostages.

This whole DACA repeal is just a simple appeal to racism by Trump either because Trump is a racist or he's pandering to them.

Prove me wrong by not using their lives as hostages to enact other legislation.
---

Why even mention the courts? They apparently don't exist in Trumpworld. Because Trump pardoned direct racism by Arpaio.

That tired, old "racist" reason is beyond old.

Either those touting it are delusional or they refuse to accept the concept of "rule of law."

(09-06-2017 12:55 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 10:27 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 06:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 02:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 12:49 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Let's put responsibility where it belongs, the parents of these poorly named "Dreamers."

The only people anybody should be mad at are them.

I see the US as having zero moral responsibility to those individuals.

I guess if youre brown or black, you can punish the kids for the parents' crimes, is the thinking here.

Trump is a racist/white supremacist and that really the beginning and end of it. There's no need to really try to analyze it further.

And lets not even start on obeying procedure, after his pardoning of Arpaio's racism in Arizona.

BTW, some of y'all in here got really upset when I complained about the GOP Congress/Trump providing permanent residence status to a white foreign child for purposes of getting medical treatment. But then again, that child was white. And therefore, in Trump's estimation, worthy of accommodation. In other words, whites are supreme in Trumpland.

Wow. That might be the most ridiculous post you've ever made. So we are equating a single child visiting the US for an emergency life saving procedure along with a single pardon of an 80 year old man (committed a fairly minor infraction) with King Obama using his non-existent powers of monarchy (no doubt derived from pulling Excaliber out of a large stone) to give citizenship to 11 million people in direct violation of the US Constitution.

Two things you left out in your misinformed diatribe.

1) The law was about to be overturned via a law suit filed by state AG's.

2) The Trump solution actually allowed DACA to survive an additional 6 months and gave Congress one more opportunity to fashion some sort of legal fix for the program. A congressional solution essentially short circuits the state AG law suit.

The move by Trump was actually about the best possible outcome for DACA. Had Trump either done nothing or concurred with the Obama decision, the AG case would have ended the program anyway (likely on much less favorable terms).

That child "merited" congressional action on a STAND ALONE BILL, with Trump signing it, for permanent residency status from the GOP. He was white. Meanwhile 800,000 Americans will be thrown out of the only country they've ever known, simply because they are brown. Or be held up as hostages.

This whole DACA repeal is just a simple appeal to racism by Trump either because Trump is a racist or he's pandering to them.

Prove me wrong by not using their lives as hostages to enact other legislation.
---

Why even mention the courts? They apparently don't exist in Trumpworld. Because Trump pardoned direct racism by Arpaio.

That tired, old "racist" reason is beyond old.

Either those touting it are delusional or they refuse to accept the concept of "rule of law."

"rule of law"....Trump's pardon of Arpaio got rid of that.

Maybe you should just say 'white supremacy' instead of rule of law.

Maybe you could compare and contrast the GOP/Trumps treatment of Charlie Gard vs 800,000 Americans who know no other country than the US (by the way, I'm sure we can find many that have health problems too). I've tried to, and all I can come up with is racism. Not nuanced racism. Not subtle racism. But clear cut, flat out, simple racism.

I'm out of here for a couple of weeks. My guess is that Trump will use the impact of Hurricane Irma to make life easier for rapists (via removal of Title IX).

(09-06-2017 10:45 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 10:39 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 09:46 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 04:09 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  gotta love how the leftists are spinning this as anti brown people. I wasn't aware that all illegal immigrants were brown.

Sent from my SM-J700T using CSNbbs mobile app

Who here has said that this is anti brown people? I don't even think anyone here has mentioned race.

Lazy Tom did.

Yes, DACA repeal, especially in the face of the GOP's stand alone legislation to grant permenant resident status to a white national of the UK, is flat out racist.

DACA was unconstitutional because it was an executive order.

Quote:Trump doesn't care about the Constitutional order, after his pardoning of Arpaio.

Trump's pardon of Arpaio was constitutional as it is a power granted to the President by the Constitution.

Quote:Please note that there's no immigration crackdown on Poles living in Chicago. But then again, they're white.

Do we have a massive invasion of illegal Poles in Chicago?

(09-06-2017 10:27 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 06:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 02:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 12:49 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Let's put responsibility where it belongs, the parents of these poorly named "Dreamers."

The only people anybody should be mad at are them.

I see the US as having zero moral responsibility to those individuals.

I guess if youre brown or black, you can punish the kids for the parents' crimes, is the thinking here.

Trump is a racist/white supremacist and that really the beginning and end of it. There's no need to really try to analyze it further.

And lets not even start on obeying procedure, after his pardoning of Arpaio's racism in Arizona.

BTW, some of y'all in here got really upset when I complained about the GOP Congress/Trump providing permanent residence status to a white foreign child for purposes of getting medical treatment. But then again, that child was white. And therefore, in Trump's estimation, worthy of accommodation. In other words, whites are supreme in Trumpland.

Wow. That might be the most ridiculous post you've ever made. So we are equating a single child visiting the US for an emergency life saving procedure along with a single pardon of an 80 year old man (committed a fairly minor infraction) with King Obama using his non-existent powers of monarchy (no doubt derived from pulling Excaliber out of a large stone) to give citizenship to 11 million people in direct violation of the US Constitution.

Two things you left out in your misinformed diatribe.

1) The law was about to be overturned via a law suit filed by state AG's.

2) The Trump solution actually allowed DACA to survive an additional 6 months and gave Congress one more opportunity to fashion some sort of legal fix for the program. A congressional solution essentially short circuits the state AG law suit.

The move by Trump was actually about the best possible outcome for DACA. Had Trump either done nothing or concurred with the Obama decision, the AG case would have ended the program anyway (likely on much less favorable terms).

That child "merited" congressional action on a STAND ALONE BILL, with Trump signing it, for permanent residency status from the GOP. He was white. Meanwhile 800,000 Americans will be thrown out of the only country they've ever known, simply because they are brown. Or be held up as hostages.

This whole DACA repeal is just a simple appeal to racism by Trump either because Trump is a racist or he's pandering to them.

Prove me wrong by not using their lives as hostages to enact other legislation.
---

Why even mention the courts? They apparently don't exist in Trumpworld. Because Trump pardoned direct racism by Arpaio.

Hostages are held against thier will. How are these people being held against thier will? What you seem to be missing is in the case you cited, Trump did what King Obama did not. He went to the Congress and got permission. DACA is unconstituional without congressional approval---hell, even Obama said that was the case. Trump guaranteed it for 6 more months (he only acted because the courts were about to force the issue). Your gripe is with congress. I might add, that congress never addressed this issue when the Democrats held the presidency and both houses of congress. This has nothing to do with Trump. Your tantrum is unwarranted and, as usual, misguided. Best i can tell, Trump would sign a legal extension of DACA from congress if he gets it.

(09-06-2017 01:21 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 12:55 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(09-06-2017 10:27 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 06:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 02:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I guess if youre brown or black, you can punish the kids for the parents' crimes, is the thinking here.

Trump is a racist/white supremacist and that really the beginning and end of it. There's no need to really try to analyze it further.

And lets not even start on obeying procedure, after his pardoning of Arpaio's racism in Arizona.

BTW, some of y'all in here got really upset when I complained about the GOP Congress/Trump providing permanent residence status to a white foreign child for purposes of getting medical treatment. But then again, that child was white. And therefore, in Trump's estimation, worthy of accommodation. In other words, whites are supreme in Trumpland.

Wow. That might be the most ridiculous post you've ever made. So we are equating a single child visiting the US for an emergency life saving procedure along with a single pardon of an 80 year old man (committed a fairly minor infraction) with King Obama using his non-existent powers of monarchy (no doubt derived from pulling Excaliber out of a large stone) to give citizenship to 11 million people in direct violation of the US Constitution.

Two things you left out in your misinformed diatribe.

1) The law was about to be overturned via a law suit filed by state AG's.

2) The Trump solution actually allowed DACA to survive an additional 6 months and gave Congress one more opportunity to fashion some sort of legal fix for the program. A congressional solution essentially short circuits the state AG law suit.

The move by Trump was actually about the best possible outcome for DACA. Had Trump either done nothing or concurred with the Obama decision, the AG case would have ended the program anyway (likely on much less favorable terms).

That child "merited" congressional action on a STAND ALONE BILL, with Trump signing it, for permanent residency status from the GOP. He was white. Meanwhile 800,000 Americans will be thrown out of the only country they've ever known, simply because they are brown. Or be held up as hostages.

This whole DACA repeal is just a simple appeal to racism by Trump either because Trump is a racist or he's pandering to them.

Prove me wrong by not using their lives as hostages to enact other legislation.
---

Why even mention the courts? They apparently don't exist in Trumpworld. Because Trump pardoned direct racism by Arpaio.

That tired, old "racist" reason is beyond old.

Either those touting it are delusional or they refuse to accept the concept of "rule of law."

"rule of law"....Trump's pardon of Arpaio got rid of that.

Maybe you should just say 'white supremacy' instead of rule of law.

Maybe you could compare and contrast the GOP/Trumps treatment of Charlie Gard vs 800,000 Americans who know no other country than the US (by the way, I'm sure we can find many that have health problems too). I've tried to, and all I can come up with is racism. Not nuanced racism. Not subtle racism. But clear cut, flat out, simple racism.

I'm out of here for a couple of weeks. My guess is that Trump will use the impact of Hurricane Irma to make life easier for rapists (via removal of Title IX).

You do realize that executive authority to pardon is part of our "rule of law". Right? I mean, you knew that.