(09-05-2017 02:55 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 02:51 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 02:39 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 02:36 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 02:31 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  That's some warped logic.

We gave them something they didn't deserve so now we have to give them more of something they don't deserve?

American millenials have been dealt a hard blow, now this--giving illegal aliens a leg up and moral cover.

Besides, a great deal of these illegals are on assistance of some kind.

We invested in their future. We should be getting a return on that investment.

Unless of course there is another reason we want them out?

You lost, so insinuate racism!

I have done no such thing. I have simply proven why it doesn't make financial sense to deport them.

The notion that they should be deported because they are criminals has also been dispelled.

So I ask you again. What good reason do you have for wanting to have them all deported?

1. You should be man enough to stand by your comments.

2. Read my comment, many are welfare recipients. Your sunshine and rainbow hallucinations about who we are talking about is just that, a hallucination.

3. That's moronic. They are by definition criminals. Anything or anybody that says otherwise is completely ignorant.

4. See above.

5. Stick to calling people racists. You have nothing else to add.

1.I always stand by my comments. When have I ever done otherwise.

2. Undocumented Immigrants are not eligible for welfare. Another straw man. Care to try again?

3. If breaking one law by definition makes one a criminal then you and I are criminals. Perhaps I should start calling you an "illegal" as well.

Every reason you have given for why we should deport all undocumented immigrants has been proven to be a myth.

They are not a drag on the economy. In fact they improve it.

Deporting them would be financially and economically debilitating to this country.

Anyone who thinks it would make our country better of is simply go their head in the sand.

(09-05-2017 03:01 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 02:55 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 02:51 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 02:39 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 02:36 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  We invested in their future. We should be getting a return on that investment.

Unless of course there is another reason we want them out?

You lost, so insinuate racism!

I have done no such thing. I have simply proven why it doesn't make financial sense to deport them.

The notion that they should be deported because they are criminals has also been dispelled.

So I ask you again. What good reason do you have for wanting to have them all deported?

1. You should be man enough to stand by your comments.

2. Read my comment, many are welfare recipients. Your sunshine and rainbow hallucinations about who we are talking about is just that, a hallucination.

3. That's moronic. They are by definition criminals. Anything or anybody that says otherwise is completely ignorant.

4. See above.

5. Stick to calling people racists. You have nothing else to add.

1.I always stand by my comments. When have I ever done otherwise.

2. Undocumented Immigrants are not eligible for welfare. Another straw man. Care to try again?

3. If breaking one law by definition makes one a criminal then you and I are criminals. Perhaps I should start calling you an "illegal" as well.

Every reason you have given for why we should deport all undocumented immigrants has been proven to be a myth.

They are not a drag on the economy. In fact they improve it.

Deporting them would be financially and economically debilitating to this country.

Anyone who thinks it would make our country better of is simply go their head in the sand.

1. I can't make you be a man so oh well.

2. DACA illegals are.

3. I've never been convicted of a crime in any way, nor have I ever been charged with one or arrested for one. If you are a criminal fine but speak for yourself.

You should get a dictionary and look up the word debilitating. You clearly don't know what it means. While you're at it look up, myth, better, country, economically, illegal, and criminal.

Illegal aliens have no place here.

(09-05-2017 03:11 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 03:01 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 02:55 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 02:51 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 02:39 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  You lost, so insinuate racism!

I have done no such thing. I have simply proven why it doesn't make financial sense to deport them.

The notion that they should be deported because they are criminals has also been dispelled.

So I ask you again. What good reason do you have for wanting to have them all deported?

1. You should be man enough to stand by your comments.

2. Read my comment, many are welfare recipients. Your sunshine and rainbow hallucinations about who we are talking about is just that, a hallucination.

3. That's moronic. They are by definition criminals. Anything or anybody that says otherwise is completely ignorant.

4. See above.

5. Stick to calling people racists. You have nothing else to add.

1.I always stand by my comments. When have I ever done otherwise.

2. Undocumented Immigrants are not eligible for welfare. Another straw man. Care to try again?

3. If breaking one law by definition makes one a criminal then you and I are criminals. Perhaps I should start calling you an "illegal" as well.

Every reason you have given for why we should deport all undocumented immigrants has been proven to be a myth.

They are not a drag on the economy. In fact they improve it.

Deporting them would be financially and economically debilitating to this country.

Anyone who thinks it would make our country better of is simply go their head in the sand.

1. I can't make you be a man so oh well.

2. DACA illegals are.

3. I've never been convicted of a crime in any way, nor have I ever been charged with one or arrested for one. If you are a criminal fine but speak for yourself.

You should get a dictionary and look up the word debilitating. You clearly don't know what it means. While you're at it look up, myth, better, country, economically, illegal, and criminal.

Illegal aliens have no place here.

1. I assure you I am more man than most.

2. DACA illegals do not get welfare.

3. So you don't like being called an illegal because you haven't been convicted of a crime? The same can be said of these Dreamers. So speak for yourself.

(09-05-2017 03:15 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 03:11 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 03:01 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 02:55 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 02:51 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I have done no such thing. I have simply proven why it doesn't make financial sense to deport them.

The notion that they should be deported because they are criminals has also been dispelled.

So I ask you again. What good reason do you have for wanting to have them all deported?

1. You should be man enough to stand by your comments.

2. Read my comment, many are welfare recipients. Your sunshine and rainbow hallucinations about who we are talking about is just that, a hallucination.

3. That's moronic. They are by definition criminals. Anything or anybody that says otherwise is completely ignorant.

4. See above.

5. Stick to calling people racists. You have nothing else to add.

1.I always stand by my comments. When have I ever done otherwise.

2. Undocumented Immigrants are not eligible for welfare. Another straw man. Care to try again?

3. If breaking one law by definition makes one a criminal then you and I are criminals. Perhaps I should start calling you an "illegal" as well.

Every reason you have given for why we should deport all undocumented immigrants has been proven to be a myth.

They are not a drag on the economy. In fact they improve it.

Deporting them would be financially and economically debilitating to this country.

Anyone who thinks it would make our country better of is simply go their head in the sand.

1. I can't make you be a man so oh well.

2. DACA illegals are.

3. I've never been convicted of a crime in any way, nor have I ever been charged with one or arrested for one. If you are a criminal fine but speak for yourself.

You should get a dictionary and look up the word debilitating. You clearly don't know what it means. While you're at it look up, myth, better, country, economically, illegal, and criminal.

Illegal aliens have no place here.

1. I assure you I am more man than most.

2. DACA illegals do not get welfare.

3. So you don't like being called an illegal because you haven't been convicted of a crime? The same can be said of these Dreamers. So speak for yourself.

K

gotta love how the leftists are spinning this as anti brown people. I wasn't aware that all illegal immigrants were brown.

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(09-05-2017 04:09 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  gotta love how the leftists are spinning this as anti brown people. I wasn't aware that all illegal immigrants were brown.

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I like how calling people brown and coloured is now a term to denote strength.

(09-05-2017 04:09 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  gotta love how the leftists are spinning this as anti brown people. I wasn't aware that all illegal immigrants were brown.

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It's just a case of them showing their inner racism.

(09-05-2017 02:51 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 02:39 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 02:36 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 02:31 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 02:22 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  We don't have a moral responsibility to these "dreamers" but what about the investment?

Think of it in mostly business terms. We invested a lot of taxpayer money into educating these kids. It makes financial sense that we allow them to stay and pay back in taxes what they got in free education and other welfare programs.

It makes no sense to harbor these individuals when they were completely dependent on the government and let them go back now that we have properly educated them and they have the ability to contribute to society.

That's some warped logic.

We gave them something they didn't deserve so now we have to give them more of something they don't deserve?

American millenials have been dealt a hard blow, now this--giving illegal aliens a leg up and moral cover.

Besides, a great deal of these illegals are on assistance of some kind.

We invested in their future. We should be getting a return on that investment.

Unless of course there is another reason we want them out?

You lost, so insinuate racism!

I have done no such thing. I have simply proven why it doesn't make financial sense to deport them.

The notion that they should be deported because they are criminals has also been dispelled.

So I ask you again. What good reason do you have for wanting to have them all deported?

it absolutely makes financial sense to deport them. they're more likely to suck on the gov't teet.

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(09-05-2017 04:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 04:09 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  gotta love how the leftists are spinning this as anti brown people. I wasn't aware that all illegal immigrants were brown.

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It's just a case of them showing their inner racism.

the soft racism of low expectations. I guess we shouldn't expect them to follow the law.

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Quote:Immigration can be a controversial topic. We all want safe, secure borders and a dynamic economy, and people of goodwill can have legitimate disagreements about how to fix our immigration system so that everybody plays by the rules.

But that’s not what the action that the White House took today is about. This is about young people who grew up in America – kids who study in our schools, young adults who are starting careers, patriots who pledge allegiance to our flag. These Dreamers are Americans in their hearts, in their minds, in every single way but one: on paper. They were brought to this country by their parents, sometimes even as infants. They may not know a country besides ours. They may not even know a language besides English. They often have no idea they’re undocumented until they apply for a job, or college, or a driver’s license.

Over the years, politicians of both parties have worked together to write legislation that would have told these young people – our young people – that if your parents brought you here as a child, if you’ve been here a certain number of years, and if you’re willing to go to college or serve in our military, then you’ll get a chance to stay and earn your citizenship. And for years while I was President, I asked Congress to send me such a bill.

That bill never came. And because it made no sense to expel talented, driven, patriotic young people from the only country they know solely because of the actions of their parents, my administration acted to lift the shadow of deportation from these young people, so that they could continue to contribute to our communities and our country. We did so based on the well-established legal principle of prosecutorial discretion, deployed by Democratic and Republican presidents alike, because our immigration enforcement agencies have limited resources, and it makes sense to focus those resources on those who come illegally to this country to do us harm. Deportations of criminals went up. Some 800,000 young people stepped forward, met rigorous requirements, and went through background checks. And America grew stronger as a result.

But today, that shadow has been cast over some of our best and brightest young people once again. To target these young people is wrong – because they have done nothing wrong. It is self-defeating – because they want to start new businesses, staff our labs, serve in our military, and otherwise contribute to the country we love. And it is cruel. What if our kid’s science teacher, or our friendly neighbor turns out to be a Dreamer? Where are we supposed to send her? To a country she doesn’t know or remember, with a language she may not even speak?

Let’s be clear: the action taken today isn’t required legally. It’s a political decision, and a moral question. Whatever concerns or complaints Americans may have about immigration in general, we shouldn’t threaten the future of this group of young people who are here through no fault of their own, who pose no threat, who are not taking away anything from the rest of us. They are that pitcher on our kid’s softball team, that first responder who helps out his community after a disaster, that cadet in ROTC who wants nothing more than to wear the uniform of the country that gave him a chance. Kicking them out won’t lower the unemployment rate, or lighten anyone’s taxes, or raise anybody’s wages.

It is precisely because this action is contrary to our spirit, and to common sense, that business leaders, faith leaders, economists, and Americans of all political stripes called on the administration not to do what it did today. And now that the White House has shifted its responsibility for these young people to Congress, it’s up to Members of Congress to protect these young people and our future. I’m heartened by those who’ve suggested that they should. And I join my voice with the majority of Americans who hope they step up and do it with a sense of moral urgency that matches the urgency these young people feel.

Ultimately, this is about basic decency. This is about whether we are a people who kick hopeful young strivers out of America, or whether we treat them the way we’d want our own kids to be treated. It’s about who we are as a people – and who we want to be.

What makes us American is not a question of what we look like, or where our names come from, or the way we pray. What makes us American is our fidelity to a set of ideals – that all of us are created equal; that all of us deserve the chance to make of our lives what we will; that all of us share an obligation to stand up, speak out, and secure our most cherished values for the next generation. That’s how America has traveled this far. That’s how, if we keep at it, we will ultimately reach that more perfect union”

(09-05-2017 04:56 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

Quote:Immigration can be a controversial topic. We all want safe, secure borders and a dynamic economy, and people of goodwill can have legitimate disagreements about how to fix our immigration system so that everybody plays by the rules.

But that’s not what the action that the White House took today is about. This is about young people who grew up in America – kids who study in our schools, young adults who are starting careers, patriots who pledge allegiance to our flag. These Dreamers are Americans in their hearts, in their minds, in every single way but one: on paper. They were brought to this country by their parents, sometimes even as infants. They may not know a country besides ours. They may not even know a language besides English. They often have no idea they’re undocumented until they apply for a job, or college, or a driver’s license.

Over the years, politicians of both parties have worked together to write legislation that would have told these young people – our young people – that if your parents brought you here as a child, if you’ve been here a certain number of years, and if you’re willing to go to college or serve in our military, then you’ll get a chance to stay and earn your citizenship. And for years while I was President, I asked Congress to send me such a bill.

That bill never came. And because it made no sense to expel talented, driven, patriotic young people from the only country they know solely because of the actions of their parents, my administration acted to lift the shadow of deportation from these young people, so that they could continue to contribute to our communities and our country. We did so based on the well-established legal principle of prosecutorial discretion, deployed by Democratic and Republican presidents alike, because our immigration enforcement agencies have limited resources, and it makes sense to focus those resources on those who come illegally to this country to do us harm. Deportations of criminals went up. Some 800,000 young people stepped forward, met rigorous requirements, and went through background checks. And America grew stronger as a result.

But today, that shadow has been cast over some of our best and brightest young people once again. To target these young people is wrong – because they have done nothing wrong. It is self-defeating – because they want to start new businesses, staff our labs, serve in our military, and otherwise contribute to the country we love. And it is cruel. What if our kid’s science teacher, or our friendly neighbor turns out to be a Dreamer? Where are we supposed to send her? To a country she doesn’t know or remember, with a language she may not even speak?

Let’s be clear: the action taken today isn’t required legally. It’s a political decision, and a moral question. Whatever concerns or complaints Americans may have about immigration in general, we shouldn’t threaten the future of this group of young people who are here through no fault of their own, who pose no threat, who are not taking away anything from the rest of us. They are that pitcher on our kid’s softball team, that first responder who helps out his community after a disaster, that cadet in ROTC who wants nothing more than to wear the uniform of the country that gave him a chance. Kicking them out won’t lower the unemployment rate, or lighten anyone’s taxes, or raise anybody’s wages.

It is precisely because this action is contrary to our spirit, and to common sense, that business leaders, faith leaders, economists, and Americans of all political stripes called on the administration not to do what it did today. And now that the White House has shifted its responsibility for these young people to Congress, it’s up to Members of Congress to protect these young people and our future. I’m heartened by those who’ve suggested that they should. And I join my voice with the majority of Americans who hope they step up and do it with a sense of moral urgency that matches the urgency these young people feel.

Ultimately, this is about basic decency. This is about whether we are a people who kick hopeful young strivers out of America, or whether we treat them the way we’d want our own kids to be treated. It’s about who we are as a people – and who we want to be.

What makes us American is not a question of what we look like, or where our names come from, or the way we pray. What makes us American is our fidelity to a set of ideals – that all of us are created equal; that all of us deserve the chance to make of our lives what we will; that all of us share an obligation to stand up, speak out, and secure our most cherished values for the next generation. That’s how America has traveled this far. That’s how, if we keep at it, we will ultimately reach that more perfect union”

Remember that bet you made about Trump losing and you leaving for good and if you couldn't keep your word asking that you be banned form the whole site?

Trump won.

(09-05-2017 05:04 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 04:56 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

Quote:Immigration can be a controversial topic. We all want safe, secure borders and a dynamic economy, and people of goodwill can have legitimate disagreements about how to fix our immigration system so that everybody plays by the rules.

But that’s not what the action that the White House took today is about. This is about young people who grew up in America – kids who study in our schools, young adults who are starting careers, patriots who pledge allegiance to our flag. These Dreamers are Americans in their hearts, in their minds, in every single way but one: on paper. They were brought to this country by their parents, sometimes even as infants. They may not know a country besides ours. They may not even know a language besides English. They often have no idea they’re undocumented until they apply for a job, or college, or a driver’s license.

Over the years, politicians of both parties have worked together to write legislation that would have told these young people – our young people – that if your parents brought you here as a child, if you’ve been here a certain number of years, and if you’re willing to go to college or serve in our military, then you’ll get a chance to stay and earn your citizenship. And for years while I was President, I asked Congress to send me such a bill.

That bill never came. And because it made no sense to expel talented, driven, patriotic young people from the only country they know solely because of the actions of their parents, my administration acted to lift the shadow of deportation from these young people, so that they could continue to contribute to our communities and our country. We did so based on the well-established legal principle of prosecutorial discretion, deployed by Democratic and Republican presidents alike, because our immigration enforcement agencies have limited resources, and it makes sense to focus those resources on those who come illegally to this country to do us harm. Deportations of criminals went up. Some 800,000 young people stepped forward, met rigorous requirements, and went through background checks. And America grew stronger as a result.

But today, that shadow has been cast over some of our best and brightest young people once again. To target these young people is wrong – because they have done nothing wrong. It is self-defeating – because they want to start new businesses, staff our labs, serve in our military, and otherwise contribute to the country we love. And it is cruel. What if our kid’s science teacher, or our friendly neighbor turns out to be a Dreamer? Where are we supposed to send her? To a country she doesn’t know or remember, with a language she may not even speak?

Let’s be clear: the action taken today isn’t required legally. It’s a political decision, and a moral question. Whatever concerns or complaints Americans may have about immigration in general, we shouldn’t threaten the future of this group of young people who are here through no fault of their own, who pose no threat, who are not taking away anything from the rest of us. They are that pitcher on our kid’s softball team, that first responder who helps out his community after a disaster, that cadet in ROTC who wants nothing more than to wear the uniform of the country that gave him a chance. Kicking them out won’t lower the unemployment rate, or lighten anyone’s taxes, or raise anybody’s wages.

It is precisely because this action is contrary to our spirit, and to common sense, that business leaders, faith leaders, economists, and Americans of all political stripes called on the administration not to do what it did today. And now that the White House has shifted its responsibility for these young people to Congress, it’s up to Members of Congress to protect these young people and our future. I’m heartened by those who’ve suggested that they should. And I join my voice with the majority of Americans who hope they step up and do it with a sense of moral urgency that matches the urgency these young people feel.

Ultimately, this is about basic decency. This is about whether we are a people who kick hopeful young strivers out of America, or whether we treat them the way we’d want our own kids to be treated. It’s about who we are as a people – and who we want to be.

What makes us American is not a question of what we look like, or where our names come from, or the way we pray. What makes us American is our fidelity to a set of ideals – that all of us are created equal; that all of us deserve the chance to make of our lives what we will; that all of us share an obligation to stand up, speak out, and secure our most cherished values for the next generation. That’s how America has traveled this far. That’s how, if we keep at it, we will ultimately reach that more perfect union”

Remember that bet you made about Trump losing and you leaving for good and if you couldn't keep your word asking that you be banned form the whole site?

Trump won.

Just ignore the dishonorable . He's the one who has to live with the fact that everything he posts in here should be intensely scrutinized because he can;t be trusted to tell the truth.

Can't wait until the new board software goes online so that I no longer even have to see the BS spewed by that no honor loser among others.

(09-05-2017 05:26 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 05:04 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-05-2017 04:56 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

Quote:Immigration can be a controversial topic. We all want safe, secure borders and a dynamic economy, and people of goodwill can have legitimate disagreements about how to fix our immigration system so that everybody plays by the rules.

But that’s not what the action that the White House took today is about. This is about young people who grew up in America – kids who study in our schools, young adults who are starting careers, patriots who pledge allegiance to our flag. These Dreamers are Americans in their hearts, in their minds, in every single way but one: on paper. They were brought to this country by their parents, sometimes even as infants. They may not know a country besides ours. They may not even know a language besides English. They often have no idea they’re undocumented until they apply for a job, or college, or a driver’s license.

Over the years, politicians of both parties have worked together to write legislation that would have told these young people – our young people – that if your parents brought you here as a child, if you’ve been here a certain number of years, and if you’re willing to go to college or serve in our military, then you’ll get a chance to stay and earn your citizenship. And for years while I was President, I asked Congress to send me such a bill.

That bill never came. And because it made no sense to expel talented, driven, patriotic young people from the only country they know solely because of the actions of their parents, my administration acted to lift the shadow of deportation from these young people, so that they could continue to contribute to our communities and our country. We did so based on the well-established legal principle of prosecutorial discretion, deployed by Democratic and Republican presidents alike, because our immigration enforcement agencies have limited resources, and it makes sense to focus those resources on those who come illegally to this country to do us harm. Deportations of criminals went up. Some 800,000 young people stepped forward, met rigorous requirements, and went through background checks. And America grew stronger as a result.

But today, that shadow has been cast over some of our best and brightest young people once again. To target these young people is wrong – because they have done nothing wrong. It is self-defeating – because they want to start new businesses, staff our labs, serve in our military, and otherwise contribute to the country we love. And it is cruel. What if our kid’s science teacher, or our friendly neighbor turns out to be a Dreamer? Where are we supposed to send her? To a country she doesn’t know or remember, with a language she may not even speak?

Let’s be clear: the action taken today isn’t required legally. It’s a political decision, and a moral question. Whatever concerns or complaints Americans may have about immigration in general, we shouldn’t threaten the future of this group of young people who are here through no fault of their own, who pose no threat, who are not taking away anything from the rest of us. They are that pitcher on our kid’s softball team, that first responder who helps out his community after a disaster, that cadet in ROTC who wants nothing more than to wear the uniform of the country that gave him a chance. Kicking them out won’t lower the unemployment rate, or lighten anyone’s taxes, or raise anybody’s wages.

It is precisely because this action is contrary to our spirit, and to common sense, that business leaders, faith leaders, economists, and Americans of all political stripes called on the administration not to do what it did today. And now that the White House has shifted its responsibility for these young people to Congress, it’s up to Members of Congress to protect these young people and our future. I’m heartened by those who’ve suggested that they should. And I join my voice with the majority of Americans who hope they step up and do it with a sense of moral urgency that matches the urgency these young people feel.

Ultimately, this is about basic decency. This is about whether we are a people who kick hopeful young strivers out of America, or whether we treat them the way we’d want our own kids to be treated. It’s about who we are as a people – and who we want to be.

What makes us American is not a question of what we look like, or where our names come from, or the way we pray. What makes us American is our fidelity to a set of ideals – that all of us are created equal; that all of us deserve the chance to make of our lives what we will; that all of us share an obligation to stand up, speak out, and secure our most cherished values for the next generation. That’s how America has traveled this far. That’s how, if we keep at it, we will ultimately reach that more perfect union”

Remember that bet you made about Trump losing and you leaving for good and if you couldn't keep your word asking that you be banned form the whole site?

Trump won.

Just ignore the dishonorable . He's the one who has to live with the fact that everything he posts in here should be intensely scrutinized because he can;t be trusted to tell the truth.

Can't wait until the new board software goes online so that I no longer even have to see the BS spewed by that no honor loser among others.

I'm looking forward to the new software as well then.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-r...allowed-to

Poll: 76 percent of voters say 'Dreamers' should be allowed to stay

Quote:More than three-quarters of Americans surveyed think that beneficiaries of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrival (DACA) program should be allowed to stay in the United States, according to a Morning Consult/Politico poll.

Seventy-six percent of respondents said the government should allow immigrants brought to the U.S. illegally as children to remain. 58 percent of that 76 percent believe they should be able to become citizens if they meet certain requirements, while 18 percent said they should be allowed to become legal residents.

Only 15 percent of respondents said such immigrants — commonly called "Dreamers" — should be deported, the poll found.

(09-05-2017 04:56 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

Quote:Immigration can be a controversial topic. We all want safe, secure borders and a dynamic economy, and people of goodwill can have legitimate disagreements about how to fix our immigration system so that everybody plays by the rules.

But that’s not what the action that the White House took today is about. This is about young people who grew up in America – kids who study in our schools, young adults who are starting careers, patriots who pledge allegiance to our flag. These Dreamers are Americans in their hearts, in their minds, in every single way but one: on paper. They were brought to this country by their parents, sometimes even as infants. They may not know a country besides ours. They may not even know a language besides English. They often have no idea they’re undocumented until they apply for a job, or college, or a driver’s license.

Over the years, politicians of both parties have worked together to write legislation that would have told these young people – our young people – that if your parents brought you here as a child, if you’ve been here a certain number of years, and if you’re willing to go to college or serve in our military, then you’ll get a chance to stay and earn your citizenship. And for years while I was President, I asked Congress to send me such a bill.

That bill never came. And because it made no sense to expel talented, driven, patriotic young people from the only country they know solely because of the actions of their parents, my administration acted to lift the shadow of deportation from these young people, so that they could continue to contribute to our communities and our country. We did so based on the well-established legal principle of prosecutorial discretion, deployed by Democratic and Republican presidents alike, because our immigration enforcement agencies have limited resources, and it makes sense to focus those resources on those who come illegally to this country to do us harm. Deportations of criminals went up. Some 800,000 young people stepped forward, met rigorous requirements, and went through background checks. And America grew stronger as a result.

But today, that shadow has been cast over some of our best and brightest young people once again. To target these young people is wrong – because they have done nothing wrong. It is self-defeating – because they want to start new businesses, staff our labs, serve in our military, and otherwise contribute to the country we love. And it is cruel. What if our kid’s science teacher, or our friendly neighbor turns out to be a Dreamer? Where are we supposed to send her? To a country she doesn’t know or remember, with a language she may not even speak?

Let’s be clear: the action taken today isn’t required legally. It’s a political decision, and a moral question. Whatever concerns or complaints Americans may have about immigration in general, we shouldn’t threaten the future of this group of young people who are here through no fault of their own, who pose no threat, who are not taking away anything from the rest of us. They are that pitcher on our kid’s softball team, that first responder who helps out his community after a disaster, that cadet in ROTC who wants nothing more than to wear the uniform of the country that gave him a chance. Kicking them out won’t lower the unemployment rate, or lighten anyone’s taxes, or raise anybody’s wages.

It is precisely because this action is contrary to our spirit, and to common sense, that business leaders, faith leaders, economists, and Americans of all political stripes called on the administration not to do what it did today. And now that the White House has shifted its responsibility for these young people to Congress, it’s up to Members of Congress to protect these young people and our future. I’m heartened by those who’ve suggested that they should. And I join my voice with the majority of Americans who hope they step up and do it with a sense of moral urgency that matches the urgency these young people feel.

Ultimately, this is about basic decency. This is about whether we are a people who kick hopeful young strivers out of America, or whether we treat them the way we’d want our own kids to be treated. It’s about who we are as a people – and who we want to be.

What makes us American is not a question of what we look like, or where our names come from, or the way we pray. What makes us American is our fidelity to a set of ideals – that all of us are created equal; that all of us deserve the chance to make of our lives what we will; that all of us share an obligation to stand up, speak out, and secure our most cherished values for the next generation. That’s how America has traveled this far. That’s how, if we keep at it, we will ultimately reach that more perfect union”

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Congress should pass legislation to give them guest worker status and a path to citizenship. I see nothing that would engage me to send these young people back to Mexico at this time as long as they are good citizens. Their parents however my stay as guest workers..but..if they want to be US citizens?...get in line like everyone else. They came here illegally. Thier children were minors and can't be held responsible for the actions of their parents.

(09-05-2017 05:50 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Congress should pass legislation to give them guest worker status and a path to citizenship. I see nothing that would engage me to send these young people back to Mexico at this time as long as they are good citizens. Their parents however my stay as guest workers..but..if they want to be US citizens?...get in line like everyone else. They came here illegally. Thier children were minors and can't be held responsible for the actions of their parents.

Your last sentence is why there is so much of a problem here.

Should children pay for the sins of their parents? No.

Should you benefit from the illegal activities of your parents? No.

Both are pillars of civil society.

The solution to that conundrum is to put self interest first. We have plenty of American millenials who are struggeling. We do not need to put benefits to illegals first. While only a small number of these illegal will challenge native born it is still wrong. Most will become new drains on society.

Should we grant them status? No. It is not right to create what in large part will be a new permanent underclass. A large underclass with a sense of community rooted not in being American but in being a member of a family viewed by them as victims.

There is no good reason that any of them should remain, with the exception of certain individuals of extraordinary merit.

Quote:There is no good reason that any of them should remain

Apparently human decency, their ability to contribute to American society and our economy, and celebration of core American values being put to action are not good enough reasons to HoD.