(06-26-2017 09:56 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(06-26-2017 09:02 AM)NoDak Wrote:  JMU seems to be waiting for Delaware, Stony Brook, Towson, Albany, Fordham, UNH, and Maine to announce FBS all at once. Then it can add Army, UMass, and Liberty to the mix. That may take a while, but JMU has shown patience.

Delaware and Stony Brook, sure. The rest will not be FBS.

Albany will do whatever Stony Brook does. They have both made remarkable strides since being consigned to DIII by NY politicians.

G5 revenues are definitely not drying up. There has been a big revenue increase this decade out of certain schools.

What is more fair to say is that G5 revenues have a ceiling. Ticket prices can only go so high, crowds so big and TV only so large.

Still the increased revenue sources are worth the FCS to FBS move.

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Sun Belt and MAC schools would surprised to learn revenue is drying up, both are generating more than ever.

The problem with JMU athletics is obviously that their Admin is perfectly comfortable in the CAA, which aside from football, is a solid overall conference. What I fear for JMU football fans is that they get left behind most of their peers, who are now 1-A.

However, if JMU wanted to go to 1-A, I don't think they'd have a problem getting permission from the VA General Assembly nor getting an Independent waiver. Although, I don't think they'd need one because the Sun Belt would coming running the moment the Dukes showed them a little attention. The Sun Belt getting mad at JMU is like the band geek getting upset that the prom queen turned him down. He'll get over it with the flash of a little leg.

(06-26-2017 02:57 PM)LibertyOrangeman Wrote:  The problem with JMU athletics is obviously that their Admin is perfectly comfortable in the CAA, which aside from football, is a solid overall conference. What I fear for JMU football fans is that they get left behind most of their peers, who are now 1-A.

However, if JMU wanted to go to 1-A, I don't think they'd have a problem getting permission from the VA General Assembly nor getting an Independent waiver. Although, I don't think they'd need one because the Sun Belt would coming running the moment the Dukes showed them a little attention. The Sun Belt getting mad at JMU is like the band geek getting upset that the prom queen turned him down. He'll get over it with the flash of a little leg.

Yeah you don't say.

(06-26-2017 02:57 PM)LibertyOrangeman Wrote:  The problem with JMU athletics is obviously that their Admin is perfectly comfortable in the CAA, which aside from football, is a solid overall conference. What I fear for JMU football fans is that they get left behind most of their peers, who are now 1-A.

However, if JMU wanted to go to 1-A, I don't think they'd have a problem getting permission from the VA General Assembly nor getting an Independent waiver. Although, I don't think they'd need one because the Sun Belt would coming running the moment the Dukes showed them a little attention. The Sun Belt getting mad at JMU is like the band geek getting upset that the prom queen turned him down. He'll get over it with the flash of a little leg.

Bitter much?

(06-26-2017 03:59 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(06-26-2017 02:57 PM)LibertyOrangeman Wrote:  The problem with JMU athletics is obviously that their Admin is perfectly comfortable in the CAA, which aside from football, is a solid overall conference. What I fear for JMU football fans is that they get left behind most of their peers, who are now 1-A.

However, if JMU wanted to go to 1-A, I don't think they'd have a problem getting permission from the VA General Assembly nor getting an Independent waiver. Although, I don't think they'd need one because the Sun Belt would coming running the moment the Dukes showed them a little attention. The Sun Belt getting mad at JMU is like the band geek getting upset that the prom queen turned him down. He'll get over it with the flash of a little leg.

Bitter much?

Of course he is bitter! Imagine that you're reality is if the SBC and CUSA exploded tomorrow and people start calling each other the last call if it came at all would be to Liberty. In FACT someone would likely call 2 or 3 FCS schools before Liberty.

(06-26-2017 05:01 PM)panama Wrote:  

(06-26-2017 03:59 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(06-26-2017 02:57 PM)LibertyOrangeman Wrote:  The problem with JMU athletics is obviously that their Admin is perfectly comfortable in the CAA, which aside from football, is a solid overall conference. What I fear for JMU football fans is that they get left behind most of their peers, who are now 1-A.

However, if JMU wanted to go to 1-A, I don't think they'd have a problem getting permission from the VA General Assembly nor getting an Independent waiver. Although, I don't think they'd need one because the Sun Belt would coming running the moment the Dukes showed them a little attention. The Sun Belt getting mad at JMU is like the band geek getting upset that the prom queen turned him down. He'll get over it with the flash of a little leg.

Bitter much?

Of course he is bitter! Imagine that you're reality is if the SBC and CUSA exploded tomorrow and people start calling each other the last call if it came at all would be to Liberty. In FACT someone would likely call 2 or 3 FCS schools before Liberty.

PantyMa, sounds like you've got your panties all riled up and still reeling from the home loss by FBS GaSt to FCS LU. As this thread is about JMU, you're tossing zingers about the appeal of LU. Maybe your efforts would be better spent in boosting attendance and interest in your program.

(06-26-2017 05:01 PM)panama Wrote:  

(06-26-2017 03:59 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(06-26-2017 02:57 PM)LibertyOrangeman Wrote:  The problem with JMU athletics is obviously that their Admin is perfectly comfortable in the CAA, which aside from football, is a solid overall conference. What I fear for JMU football fans is that they get left behind most of their peers, who are now 1-A.

However, if JMU wanted to go to 1-A, I don't think they'd have a problem getting permission from the VA General Assembly nor getting an Independent waiver. Although, I don't think they'd need one because the Sun Belt would coming running the moment the Dukes showed them a little attention. The Sun Belt getting mad at JMU is like the band geek getting upset that the prom queen turned him down. He'll get over it with the flash of a little leg.

Bitter much?

Of course he is bitter! Imagine that you're reality is if the SBC and CUSA exploded tomorrow and people start calling each other the last call if it came at all would be to Liberty. In FACT someone would likely call 2 or 3 FCS schools before Liberty.

No bitterness here. This thread is about JMU. Does the truth hurt that much?

If the Sun Belt and James Madison were able to patch things up, who is number 12? We know Eastern Kentucky would be interested, but since they didn't make the cut last time . . .

(06-26-2017 10:41 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-26-2017 09:56 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(06-26-2017 09:02 AM)NoDak Wrote:  JMU seems to be waiting for Delaware, Stony Brook, Towson, Albany, Fordham, UNH, and Maine to announce FBS all at once. Then it can add Army, UMass, and Liberty to the mix. That may take a while, but JMU has shown patience.

Delaware and Stony Brook, sure. The rest will not be FBS.

Albany will do whatever Stony Brook does. They have both made remarkable strides since being consigned to DIII by NY politicians.

what do you mean by this.

(06-26-2017 08:07 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(06-26-2017 10:41 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-26-2017 09:56 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(06-26-2017 09:02 AM)NoDak Wrote:  JMU seems to be waiting for Delaware, Stony Brook, Towson, Albany, Fordham, UNH, and Maine to announce FBS all at once. Then it can add Army, UMass, and Liberty to the mix. That may take a while, but JMU has shown patience.

Delaware and Stony Brook, sure. The rest will not be FBS.

Albany will do whatever Stony Brook does. They have both made remarkable strides since being consigned to DIII by NY politicians.

what do you mean by this.

The SUNY's were formerly not allowed by NY law to offer athletic scholarships so they were stuck in DIII. When the law changed, Buffalo was the quickest to move up.

when was this law repealed?

(06-26-2017 09:00 PM)john01992 Wrote:  when was this law repealed?

All four of the SUNY's spent time in DIII and then DII before they moved up to DI in the 90's. Guessing 1980ish.

I neglected to mention that JMU will not seek a waiver for FBS independence.

(06-26-2017 07:49 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  If the Sun Belt and James Madison were able to patch things up, who is number 12? We know Eastern Kentucky would be interested, but since they didn't make the cut last time . . .

Not about "patching things up". JMU just isn't such a prize that the Sun Belt makes then football #11 or takes a meh pick just to get them.

Western schools have wanted Missouri State but the same applies to them as well and those relationships are quite cordial but they won't be admitted if they become interested without someone the league really likes to balance the geography.

Would Sun Belt take both JMU and Missouri St, if they both expressed interest?

(06-27-2017 11:33 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Would Sun Belt take both JMU and Missouri St, if they both expressed interest?

Would both add enough value to justify splitting the pot 12 ways instead of 10 ways (football) and 14 ways instead of 12 ways (basketball).

Those are questions that ANY school would have to answer before the Sun Belt expands.

That's the exact question I meant to imply, thank you for making it explicit.

(06-27-2017 11:33 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Would Sun Belt take both JMU and Missouri St, if they both expressed interest?

At this point based on football alone I would say NO. However if conditions improve during the next round of CPF talks (meaning having 12 would be beneficial to the bottom line) then maybe. I think some in the Sun Belt are looking at CUSA possibly breaking up and the Sun Belt would then be in a position to pick off a couple of desirable teams to get to 12. The bottom line is we're in no rush to expand.