(07-15-2017 02:56 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(07-15-2017 02:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-15-2017 01:44 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-05-2017 10:25 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Just a fight between Saudi Arabia and Qatar for control of terrorist groups elsewhere in the ME. Nothing to see here. And no reason to sell 110 billion in weapons to either of them.

I think ME politics are often referenced, but rarely understood. Still, I'm fine w/ selling weapons, so long as they aren't used against us.

If two Arab (or any other) nations want to blow each other up, then by all means, use American munitions. In fact, I think that we're better off the more the Saudis fight the Iranians in proxy wars. It forces them to open oil taps, it puts money in our bank accounts, and it makes them (the government's, but more importantly the people) too busy hating each other to hate us.

...and who knows, maybe a couple of stray missiles will land a little west and solve about 40% of America's foreign policy problems.

Yea, but you can't control how many of those weapons AREN'T used in Yemen. Some might go to the next ISIS, which will be formed exactly 5 minutes after ISIS is defeated.

The foreign policy problem is largely related to the rivalry between the Saudis and the Iranians. Do anything to help one, or hurt the other, and it just makes things worse. Obama got that. Trump doesn't. The whole point of the Iran deal was to even the playing field and make both sides COMPETE for our attention. Trump's plan....go to the Qataris and ask for 500 Million for his personal family business, then go after them as the USA when they didn't pay up. I can only imagine how much the Saudis funneled to him and his family. We will find that out eventually.

Take Trump out of it, and it's my understanding that the vast majority of the weapons are used very shortly after they're bought/sold (weeks if not days). Also, I have no doubt that the Russians are doing back flips to arm the Iranians. They need the money.

Combined, a Saudi-Iran conflict is an oil-fueled pillow fight where the only winners are the arms dealers, us and ze USSR2.0.

They are welcome to get themselves mired in that mess. Their weapons are crap. And so friggin' what if Putin ends up bogged down in that mess for the next 30 years.

(07-15-2017 04:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-15-2017 02:56 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(07-15-2017 02:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-15-2017 01:44 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-05-2017 10:25 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Just a fight between Saudi Arabia and Qatar for control of terrorist groups elsewhere in the ME. Nothing to see here. And no reason to sell 110 billion in weapons to either of them.

I think ME politics are often referenced, but rarely understood. Still, I'm fine w/ selling weapons, so long as they aren't used against us.

If two Arab (or any other) nations want to blow each other up, then by all means, use American munitions. In fact, I think that we're better off the more the Saudis fight the Iranians in proxy wars. It forces them to open oil taps, it puts money in our bank accounts, and it makes them (the government's, but more importantly the people) too busy hating each other to hate us.

...and who knows, maybe a couple of stray missiles will land a little west and solve about 40% of America's foreign policy problems.

Yea, but you can't control how many of those weapons AREN'T used in Yemen. Some might go to the next ISIS, which will be formed exactly 5 minutes after ISIS is defeated.

The foreign policy problem is largely related to the rivalry between the Saudis and the Iranians. Do anything to help one, or hurt the other, and it just makes things worse. Obama got that. Trump doesn't. The whole point of the Iran deal was to even the playing field and make both sides COMPETE for our attention. Trump's plan....go to the Qataris and ask for 500 Million for his personal family business, then go after them as the USA when they didn't pay up. I can only imagine how much the Saudis funneled to him and his family. We will find that out eventually.

Take Trump out of it, and it's my understanding that the vast majority of the weapons are used very shortly after they're bought/sold (weeks if not days). Also, I have no doubt that the Russians are doing back flips to arm the Iranians. They need the money.

Combined, a Saudi-Iran conflict is an oil-fueled pillow fight where the only winners are the arms dealers, us and ze USSR2.0.

They are welcome to get themselves mired in that mess. Their weapons are crap. And so friggin' what if Putin ends up bogged down in that mess for the next 30 years.

Huh? My point is that selling weapons isn't going to offset the balance of power in the region because the Russians are on the other side of the scale.

And FWIW, I doubt we're selling top shelf stuff to the Saudis.

(07-15-2017 05:14 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(07-15-2017 04:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-15-2017 02:56 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(07-15-2017 02:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-15-2017 01:44 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  I think ME politics are often referenced, but rarely understood. Still, I'm fine w/ selling weapons, so long as they aren't used against us.

If two Arab (or any other) nations want to blow each other up, then by all means, use American munitions. In fact, I think that we're better off the more the Saudis fight the Iranians in proxy wars. It forces them to open oil taps, it puts money in our bank accounts, and it makes them (the government's, but more importantly the people) too busy hating each other to hate us.

...and who knows, maybe a couple of stray missiles will land a little west and solve about 40% of America's foreign policy problems.

Yea, but you can't control how many of those weapons AREN'T used in Yemen. Some might go to the next ISIS, which will be formed exactly 5 minutes after ISIS is defeated.

The foreign policy problem is largely related to the rivalry between the Saudis and the Iranians. Do anything to help one, or hurt the other, and it just makes things worse. Obama got that. Trump doesn't. The whole point of the Iran deal was to even the playing field and make both sides COMPETE for our attention. Trump's plan....go to the Qataris and ask for 500 Million for his personal family business, then go after them as the USA when they didn't pay up. I can only imagine how much the Saudis funneled to him and his family. We will find that out eventually.

Take Trump out of it, and it's my understanding that the vast majority of the weapons are used very shortly after they're bought/sold (weeks if not days). Also, I have no doubt that the Russians are doing back flips to arm the Iranians. They need the money.

Combined, a Saudi-Iran conflict is an oil-fueled pillow fight where the only winners are the arms dealers, us and ze USSR2.0.

They are welcome to get themselves mired in that mess. Their weapons are crap. And so friggin' what if Putin ends up bogged down in that mess for the next 30 years.

Huh? My point is that selling weapons isn't going to offset the balance of power in the region because the Russians are on the other side of the scale.

And FWIW, I doubt we're selling top shelf stuff to the Saudis.

Of course we are. They paid Trump and the Qataris didn't.

(07-15-2017 06:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-15-2017 05:14 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(07-15-2017 04:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-15-2017 02:56 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(07-15-2017 02:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Yea, but you can't control how many of those weapons AREN'T used in Yemen. Some might go to the next ISIS, which will be formed exactly 5 minutes after ISIS is defeated.

The foreign policy problem is largely related to the rivalry between the Saudis and the Iranians. Do anything to help one, or hurt the other, and it just makes things worse. Obama got that. Trump doesn't. The whole point of the Iran deal was to even the playing field and make both sides COMPETE for our attention. Trump's plan....go to the Qataris and ask for 500 Million for his personal family business, then go after them as the USA when they didn't pay up. I can only imagine how much the Saudis funneled to him and his family. We will find that out eventually.

Take Trump out of it, and it's my understanding that the vast majority of the weapons are used very shortly after they're bought/sold (weeks if not days). Also, I have no doubt that the Russians are doing back flips to arm the Iranians. They need the money.

Combined, a Saudi-Iran conflict is an oil-fueled pillow fight where the only winners are the arms dealers, us and ze USSR2.0.

They are welcome to get themselves mired in that mess. Their weapons are crap. And so friggin' what if Putin ends up bogged down in that mess for the next 30 years.

Huh? My point is that selling weapons isn't going to offset the balance of power in the region because the Russians are on the other side of the scale.

And FWIW, I doubt we're selling top shelf stuff to the Saudis.

Of course we are. They paid Trump and the Qataris didn't.

I have no doubt that our president is as corrupt as he is incompetent, but I'm actually pretty confident that the Saudis aren't getting our best equipment.

(07-15-2017 02:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The foreign policy problem is largely related to the rivalry between the Saudis and the Iranians. Do anything to help one, or hurt the other, and it just makes things worse. Obama got that.

No, he didn't.

His entire foreign policy in the region was built upon helping Iran to the detriment of the Saudis.

(07-15-2017 05:14 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  Huh? My point is that selling weapons isn't going to offset the balance of power in the region because the Russians are on the other side of the scale.
And FWIW, I doubt we're selling top shelf stuff to the Saudis.

Note that the Saudis are buying something like $20 Billion in arms from the Russians... they cancelled a previous deal for some political reason, and may have come back with a $3.5 billion deal, or something like that...

According to this article, the Russians have about $15 Billion in annual sales, so this is pretty substantial for them. The US recently signed a $115 Billion arms deal for the people of Yemen, by way of Mecca.

(06-05-2017 12:37 PM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  

(06-05-2017 10:25 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Just a fight between Saudi Arabia and Qatar for control of terrorist groups elsewhere in the ME. Nothing to see here. And no reason to sell 110 billion in weapons to either of them.

As soon as Qatar Airways was completely taken over by the Qatari government (2013) they entered into a code share agreement with American Airlines (2013). Very quickly passengers from muslim countries started flowing into the US on Qatar Airways/American Airlines connections by the thousands. Many traveling with burlap bags tied with string, some with $15 suitcases. Many arrived with food spilling from their luggage. Shortly afterwards American Airlines unexpectedly yanked its service out of Tel Aviv, Rumor was Qatar strong armed them into do it. Not sure if this means anything, but where were all those people going? Where are they today?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_Airways
Ownership and subsidiaries. As of May 2014, the company is fully owned by the Qatari government. Qatar Airways has been fully controlled by the government since July 2013, following the buyout of a 50% stake from a former foreign minister and other shareholders.

American Airlines and Qatar Airways join forces (2013)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/todayinth...d/1818501/

WHAT'S REALLY BEHIND AMERICAN AIRLINES' CANCELLATION OF THE TEL AVIV-PHILADELPHIA ROUTE? (2015)
http://www.jpost.com/Business-and-Innova...ute-413320

Now their Arab neighbors announance that Qatar backs militant groups including so-called Islamic State (IS) and al-Qaeda, which Qatar denies. The Saudi state news agency SPA said Riyadh had closed its borders, severing land, sea and air contact with the tiny peninsula of oil-rich Qatar.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40155829

GOD HELP US!

Bump.

I See good ole Qatar is in the news again. Fox Business reporting on ties to Bidens brother $$$.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/28...y-00154704

https://dohanews.co/qatars-us-envoy-reje...-gaza-war/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatari_s...in%202023.

Not counting the countries/organizations that those rich arab countries give to them, do they ever give to others? I don't think that they're as stupid as we are.

(04-29-2024 08:10 AM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatari_s...in%202023.

All the evidence I need.

As far as I’m concerned the Palestinian people are as guilty as the driver in the get away car of a heist

MSM, I know you are all lackeys that spew propaganda but do us all a favor and show the footage of the Palestinians cheering the undressed dead young woman like she was a trophy kill.

After that please explain to me a non Jew English Irish Scottish mix mutt why I would or should support wild animals on the hunt.

Sorry, I think for myself

It’s gets old saying this but….

For all Palestinians you reap what you sow.

Your leaders who make cowards look brave btw living like rats in tunnels and using the populace as human shields have sown this living h3ll for you.


Until you decide they’re not your leadership this is your fruit.

For all the whiner brainwashed lackeys at our universities

CRY ME A RIVER

(04-29-2024 06:41 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Not counting the countries/organizations that those rich arab countries give to them, do they ever give to others? I don't think that they're as stupid as we are.

Wouldn’t take much to be smarter than our Politicians

Just dangle some money in from of the traitors and you will have them in your back pocket

Tom in LAZY the same Obama you believe to be some righteous benevolent mastermind is the same Obama who knew from day 1 what went down in Ferguson MO between the cop and the young thug battling for the weapon in the car. Yes, it was life or death. The cop won to Obamas disdain.

Did Obama come out and talk about what really happened?

NO

He let mostly black businesses burn to ground and allowed others to be killed thinking they were justified.

It wasn’t until the Prosecutor refused to indict the Cop and it was plainly said there isn’t a jury in America who would find the officer guilty

Obama the race card player he is still sat quietly. That makes him trash in my book

Btw made a fool out of himself on more than one occasion reaching for the race card

Starting around 2013, Obama / Biden, using Qatar Airlines started flooding the United States with anti-Israel refugees. Im all for immigration, but with proper vetting. Not ones that are being sent to disrupt our society.

Obama Biden, fundamentally changing America.

Obama/Biden opened the flood gates back in 2013. News outlets are linking Biben crime family to Qatar now.

Fact: Qatar has been a significant donor to universities in the United States. According to a report by the Network Contagion Research Institute (NCRI), from 2001 to 2021, Qatar contributed donations totaling $4.7 billion to U.S. higher education institutions. This makes Qatar the most substantial foreign donor to American universities during that period. Another source mentions that as of a 2023 report, Qatar continued to provide substantial funding, with donations amounting to almost $5 billion to U.S. campuses2. These contributions have been a topic of discussion regarding their impact on Middle Eastern university study programs and academic freedom.