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(06-05-2017 12:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
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(06-05-2017 10:25 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Just a fight between Saudi Arabia and Qatar for control of terrorist groups elsewhere in the ME. Nothing to see here. And no reason to sell 110 billion in weapons to either of them.

Shortly before Qatar Airways was completely taken over by the Qatari government they entered into a code share agreement with American Airlines. Very quickly passengers from muslim countries started flowing into the US on Qatar Airways/American Airlines connections by the thousands. Many traveling with burlap bags tied with string, some with $15 suitcases. Many arrived with food spilling from their luggage. Shortly afterwards American Airlines unexpectedly yanked their service out of Tel Aviv, Rumor was Qatar strong armed them into do it. Not sure if this means anything, but where were all these people going? Where are they today?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_Airways
Ownership and subsidiaries. As of May 2014, the company is fully owned by the Qatari government. Qatar Airways has been fully controlled by the government since July 2013, following the buyout of a 50% stake from a former foreign minister and other shareholders.

American Airlines and Qatar Airways join forces (2013)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/todayinth...d/1818501/

WHAT'S REALLY BEHIND AMERICAN AIRLINES' CANCELLATION OF THE TEL AVIV-PHILADELPHIA ROUTE? (2015)
http://www.jpost.com/Business-and-Innova...ute-413320

Now their Arab neighbors announance that Qatar backs militant groups including so-called Islamic State (IS) and al-Qaeda, which Qatar denies. The Saudi state news agency SPA said Riyadh had closed its borders, severing land, sea and air contact with the tiny peninsula of oil-rich Qatar.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40155829

GOD HELP US! 04-jawdrop

I don't think that the code share with Qatar really had much to do with the TLV cancellation by AA. They tried flying it from PHL, which is not the most optimal hub to do so. There is a sh*tload of competition on US-ISR flights and the prices are sometimes HALF those for US-EUROPE flights, across all flight categories.

There are many airlines that have flown, and still fly to Israel AND Qatar. They include Royal Jordanian, British Airways, Egypt Air, Ethiopian, Lufthansa, Turkish and Swiss. Several of these airlines maintain codeshares with Qatar Airways.

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Basically, for AA, its a long flight with lower fares from a non-optimal hub (or they can go compete in the NYC-TLV scrum). They also had a 20 million dollar judgement related to TWA that they're fighting too.

As soon as Qatar Airways was completely taken over by the Qatari government (2013) they entered into a code share agreement with American Airlines (2013). Very quickly passengers from muslim countries started flowing into the US on Qatar Airways/American Airlines connections by the thousands. Many traveling with burlap bags tied with string, some with $15 suitcases. Many arrived with food spilling from their luggage. Where were all those people going Tom? Where are they today Tom?

Tom now their Arab neighbors announance that Qatar backs militant groups including so-called Islamic State (IS) and al-Qaeda, which Qatar denies. The Saudi state news agency SPA said Riyadh had closed its borders, severing land, sea and air contact with the tiny peninsula of oil-rich Qatar.
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(06-05-2017 01:21 PM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  
(06-05-2017 12:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(06-05-2017 12:37 PM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  
(06-05-2017 10:25 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Just a fight between Saudi Arabia and Qatar for control of terrorist groups elsewhere in the ME. Nothing to see here. And no reason to sell 110 billion in weapons to either of them.

Shortly before Qatar Airways was completely taken over by the Qatari government they entered into a code share agreement with American Airlines. Very quickly passengers from muslim countries started flowing into the US on Qatar Airways/American Airlines connections by the thousands. Many traveling with burlap bags tied with string, some with $15 suitcases. Many arrived with food spilling from their luggage. Shortly afterwards American Airlines unexpectedly yanked their service out of Tel Aviv, Rumor was Qatar strong armed them into do it. Not sure if this means anything, but where were all these people going? Where are they today?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_Airways
Ownership and subsidiaries. As of May 2014, the company is fully owned by the Qatari government. Qatar Airways has been fully controlled by the government since July 2013, following the buyout of a 50% stake from a former foreign minister and other shareholders.

American Airlines and Qatar Airways join forces (2013)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/todayinth...d/1818501/

WHAT'S REALLY BEHIND AMERICAN AIRLINES' CANCELLATION OF THE TEL AVIV-PHILADELPHIA ROUTE? (2015)
http://www.jpost.com/Business-and-Innova...ute-413320

Now their Arab neighbors announance that Qatar backs militant groups including so-called Islamic State (IS) and al-Qaeda, which Qatar denies. The Saudi state news agency SPA said Riyadh had closed its borders, severing land, sea and air contact with the tiny peninsula of oil-rich Qatar.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40155829

GOD HELP US! 04-jawdrop

I don't think that the code share with Qatar really had much to do with the TLV cancellation by AA. They tried flying it from PHL, which is not the most optimal hub to do so. There is a sh*tload of competition on US-ISR flights and the prices are sometimes HALF those for US-EUROPE flights, across all flight categories.

There are many airlines that have flown, and still fly to Israel AND Qatar. They include Royal Jordanian, British Airways, Egypt Air, Ethiopian, Lufthansa, Turkish and Swiss. Several of these airlines maintain codeshares with Qatar Airways.

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Basically, for AA, its a long flight with lower fares from a non-optimal hub (or they can go compete in the NYC-TLV scrum). They also had a 20 million dollar judgement related to TWA that they're fighting too.

As soon as Qatar Airways was completely taken over by the Qatari government (2013) they entered into a code share agreement with American Airlines (2013). Very quickly passengers from muslim countries started flowing into the US on Qatar Airways/American Airlines connections by the thousands. Many traveling with burlap bags tied with string, some with $15 suitcases. Many arrived with food spilling from their luggage. Where were all those people going Tom? Where are they today Tom?



Tom now their Arab neighbors announance that Qatar backs militant groups including so-called Islamic State (IS) and al-Qaeda, which Qatar denies. The Saudi state news agency SPA said Riyadh had closed its borders, severing land, sea and air contact with the tiny peninsula of oil-rich Qatar.

They are going to visit their relatives in the US, and most of them are non-Muslims traveling from India/East Africa. Have you been on a ME3 flight? The VAST majority of pax are connecting, and at least on the non-Texas ME3 flights, they're going to India. Air India sucks, so do the US carriers, and the ME3 is usually cheaper than the European airlines.

BTW, they were coming over here before ME3 started flying, but were coming on other airlines.

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Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Kuwait, Bahrein, Oman, Assad, Iran, Egypt, and Qatar all provide support to violent groups that oppose human rights.

I don't see ANY difference between the Saudis, the Iranians, and the Qataris. We don't need their oil, their nat gas, or their human rights abuses....Why would Trump try to pick a side here....

Are you saying the Saudis are better than the Qataris or the Iranians? I wouldn't.

And do you really care who 'wins' in Yemen? I guarantee it won't be human rights that wins there. Do you even know who the players are? Basically, the Saudis are stuck in an unwinnable war in Yemen. I see no reason to get involved with anyone over there.

I'd just assume the US say.."you know what....you guys can go pound sand...we have no use for your oil or your geopolitics...we could care less who wins in Syria or Iraq or Yemen, unless there's a decent option. Right now there isn't. So if you want peace...make peace, want war, make war...but you can leave us the hell out of it.

Of course Trump got played by the Saudis.
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RE: Arabs cutting ties with Arabs
(06-05-2017 01:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(06-05-2017 01:21 PM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  
(06-05-2017 12:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(06-05-2017 12:37 PM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  
(06-05-2017 10:25 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Just a fight between Saudi Arabia and Qatar for control of terrorist groups elsewhere in the ME. Nothing to see here. And no reason to sell 110 billion in weapons to either of them.

Shortly before Qatar Airways was completely taken over by the Qatari government they entered into a code share agreement with American Airlines. Very quickly passengers from muslim countries started flowing into the US on Qatar Airways/American Airlines connections by the thousands. Many traveling with burlap bags tied with string, some with $15 suitcases. Many arrived with food spilling from their luggage. Shortly afterwards American Airlines unexpectedly yanked their service out of Tel Aviv, Rumor was Qatar strong armed them into do it. Not sure if this means anything, but where were all these people going? Where are they today?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_Airways
Ownership and subsidiaries. As of May 2014, the company is fully owned by the Qatari government. Qatar Airways has been fully controlled by the government since July 2013, following the buyout of a 50% stake from a former foreign minister and other shareholders.

American Airlines and Qatar Airways join forces (2013)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/todayinth...d/1818501/

WHAT'S REALLY BEHIND AMERICAN AIRLINES' CANCELLATION OF THE TEL AVIV-PHILADELPHIA ROUTE? (2015)
http://www.jpost.com/Business-and-Innova...ute-413320

Now their Arab neighbors announance that Qatar backs militant groups including so-called Islamic State (IS) and al-Qaeda, which Qatar denies. The Saudi state news agency SPA said Riyadh had closed its borders, severing land, sea and air contact with the tiny peninsula of oil-rich Qatar.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40155829

GOD HELP US! 04-jawdrop

I don't think that the code share with Qatar really had much to do with the TLV cancellation by AA. They tried flying it from PHL, which is not the most optimal hub to do so. There is a sh*tload of competition on US-ISR flights and the prices are sometimes HALF those for US-EUROPE flights, across all flight categories.

There are many airlines that have flown, and still fly to Israel AND Qatar. They include Royal Jordanian, British Airways, Egypt Air, Ethiopian, Lufthansa, Turkish and Swiss. Several of these airlines maintain codeshares with Qatar Airways.

---

Basically, for AA, its a long flight with lower fares from a non-optimal hub (or they can go compete in the NYC-TLV scrum). They also had a 20 million dollar judgement related to TWA that they're fighting too.

As soon as Qatar Airways was completely taken over by the Qatari government (2013) they entered into a code share agreement with American Airlines (2013). Very quickly passengers from muslim countries started flowing into the US on Qatar Airways/American Airlines connections by the thousands. Many traveling with burlap bags tied with string, some with $15 suitcases. Many arrived with food spilling from their luggage. Where were all those people going Tom? Where are they today Tom?



Tom now their Arab neighbors announance that Qatar backs militant groups including so-called Islamic State (IS) and al-Qaeda, which Qatar denies. The Saudi state news agency SPA said Riyadh had closed its borders, severing land, sea and air contact with the tiny peninsula of oil-rich Qatar.

They are going to visit their relatives in the US, and most of them are non-Muslims traveling from India/East Africa. Have you been on a ME3 flight? The VAST majority of pax are connecting, and at least on the non-Texas ME3 flights, they're going to India. Air India sucks, so do the US carriers, and the ME3 is usually cheaper than the European airlines.

BTW, they were coming over here before ME3 started flying, but were coming on other airlines.

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Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Kuwait, Bahrein, Oman, Assad, Iran, Egypt, and Qatar all provide support to violent groups that oppose human rights.

I don't see ANY difference between the Saudis, the Iranians, and the Qataris. We don't need their oil, their nat gas, or their human rights abuses....Why would Trump try to pick a side here....

Are you saying the Saudis are better than the Qataris or the Iranians? I wouldn't.

And do you really care who 'wins' in Yemen? I guarantee it won't be human rights that wins there. Do you even know who the players are? Basically, the Saudis are stuck in an unwinnable war in Yemen. I see no reason to get involved with anyone over there.

I'd just assume the US say.."you know what....you guys can go pound sand...we have no use for your oil or your geopolitics...we could care less who wins in Syria or Iraq or Yemen, unless there's a decent option. Right now there isn't. So if you want peace...make peace, want war, make war...but you can leave us the hell out of it.

Of course Trump got played by the Saudis.

I hope the cell rents a house near your favorite bar and away from my house of worship. 03-banghead You're nuts bro!
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(06-05-2017 02:13 PM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  
(06-05-2017 01:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(06-05-2017 01:21 PM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  
(06-05-2017 12:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(06-05-2017 12:37 PM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  Shortly before Qatar Airways was completely taken over by the Qatari government they entered into a code share agreement with American Airlines. Very quickly passengers from muslim countries started flowing into the US on Qatar Airways/American Airlines connections by the thousands. Many traveling with burlap bags tied with string, some with $15 suitcases. Many arrived with food spilling from their luggage. Shortly afterwards American Airlines unexpectedly yanked their service out of Tel Aviv, Rumor was Qatar strong armed them into do it. Not sure if this means anything, but where were all these people going? Where are they today?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_Airways
Ownership and subsidiaries. As of May 2014, the company is fully owned by the Qatari government. Qatar Airways has been fully controlled by the government since July 2013, following the buyout of a 50% stake from a former foreign minister and other shareholders.

American Airlines and Qatar Airways join forces (2013)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/todayinth...d/1818501/

WHAT'S REALLY BEHIND AMERICAN AIRLINES' CANCELLATION OF THE TEL AVIV-PHILADELPHIA ROUTE? (2015)
http://www.jpost.com/Business-and-Innova...ute-413320

Now their Arab neighbors announance that Qatar backs militant groups including so-called Islamic State (IS) and al-Qaeda, which Qatar denies. The Saudi state news agency SPA said Riyadh had closed its borders, severing land, sea and air contact with the tiny peninsula of oil-rich Qatar.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40155829

GOD HELP US! 04-jawdrop

I don't think that the code share with Qatar really had much to do with the TLV cancellation by AA. They tried flying it from PHL, which is not the most optimal hub to do so. There is a sh*tload of competition on US-ISR flights and the prices are sometimes HALF those for US-EUROPE flights, across all flight categories.

There are many airlines that have flown, and still fly to Israel AND Qatar. They include Royal Jordanian, British Airways, Egypt Air, Ethiopian, Lufthansa, Turkish and Swiss. Several of these airlines maintain codeshares with Qatar Airways.

---

Basically, for AA, its a long flight with lower fares from a non-optimal hub (or they can go compete in the NYC-TLV scrum). They also had a 20 million dollar judgement related to TWA that they're fighting too.

As soon as Qatar Airways was completely taken over by the Qatari government (2013) they entered into a code share agreement with American Airlines (2013). Very quickly passengers from muslim countries started flowing into the US on Qatar Airways/American Airlines connections by the thousands. Many traveling with burlap bags tied with string, some with $15 suitcases. Many arrived with food spilling from their luggage. Where were all those people going Tom? Where are they today Tom?



Tom now their Arab neighbors announance that Qatar backs militant groups including so-called Islamic State (IS) and al-Qaeda, which Qatar denies. The Saudi state news agency SPA said Riyadh had closed its borders, severing land, sea and air contact with the tiny peninsula of oil-rich Qatar.

They are going to visit their relatives in the US, and most of them are non-Muslims traveling from India/East Africa. Have you been on a ME3 flight? The VAST majority of pax are connecting, and at least on the non-Texas ME3 flights, they're going to India. Air India sucks, so do the US carriers, and the ME3 is usually cheaper than the European airlines.

BTW, they were coming over here before ME3 started flying, but were coming on other airlines.

---

Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Kuwait, Bahrein, Oman, Assad, Iran, Egypt, and Qatar all provide support to violent groups that oppose human rights.

I don't see ANY difference between the Saudis, the Iranians, and the Qataris. We don't need their oil, their nat gas, or their human rights abuses....Why would Trump try to pick a side here....

Are you saying the Saudis are better than the Qataris or the Iranians? I wouldn't.

And do you really care who 'wins' in Yemen? I guarantee it won't be human rights that wins there. Do you even know who the players are? Basically, the Saudis are stuck in an unwinnable war in Yemen. I see no reason to get involved with anyone over there.

I'd just assume the US say.."you know what....you guys can go pound sand...we have no use for your oil or your geopolitics...we could care less who wins in Syria or Iraq or Yemen, unless there's a decent option. Right now there isn't. So if you want peace...make peace, want war, make war...but you can leave us the hell out of it.

Of course Trump got played by the Saudis.

I hope the cell rents a house near your favorite bar and away from my house of worship. 03-banghead You're nuts bro!

Our bars and houses of worship have been attacked.

Gay bars

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95654 White guy with a gun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Lounge_raid Homophobic TABC agents operating outside of the law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Rudolph Christian Terrorist
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/13/world/...oscow.html Russian homophobes
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/03/17/rus...e-attacks/ More Russian homophobes. One of the attacks was filmed and the police watched. Policeman didn't look Muslim
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiral_Duncan_(pub) White nationalist extremist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Paul_Broussard Entitled white Christian brats from the Woodlands. They beat up a personal friend of mine the same night.
http://www.citypages.com/news/wayne-odeg...un-6547773 White Christian with a gun (thank God it was just a bb gun) shoots patrons at a Gay bar while shouting bible verses
http://www.wyff4.com/article/defendant-i...ce/6986701 Unprovoked attack by a entitled white man. Gay man dies. Got 2 years in prison for it. After he murdered Sean, he left a message on the parents of the dead man's answering machine saying "Tell that fag*ot he owes me 500 bucks for the broken hand". Court system in South Carolina thought it was just straight white privilege to murder a Gay man.

There are literally HUNDREDS of cases like this. These are COMMON. Want another hundred links? Just let me know.

And yes, there was Pulse and another shooting in Seattle perpetrated by Muslims.

Now lets go to Gay church services attacked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoxville_...h_shooting Several dead. White Right Winger upset about Gay people opened fire on a church filled with peaceful people, who were there to watch a presentation by 25 small children....killing 2, wounding 6.

Here's a bar AND a church being attacked. 32 dead. Church service being held at a bar. http://www.advocate.com/crime/2013/11/15...y?page=0,4 No idea who did it (the police didn't bother to investigate - nor care), but I seriously doubt it was a Muslim.

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I fail to see any specific issue with Muslims. Jews, Christians and Muslims have attacked Gay bars and churches.

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I'm off to Europe later on this week. I'm no less safe there than I am here...I'm probably safer btw in Europe, less people with guns. As a Gay man, I have to accept that there is a non-zero probability that I will be attacked by someone, simply for existing. The book that the attacker uses to justify an attack on me or the religious heritage that the attacker felt condoned it is really of little consequence to me. I will note, however, that I don't see any difference between getting killed by a Christian extremist or a Muslim one.

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Now back to the thread. I also don't see much difference between ISIS and the Saudis or the Iranians. I think I'd prefer the Iranians, slightly, out of the three groups....at least there are liberal Iranians. But for the US to even bother to support one side or the other is just stupid IMHO. But Trump certainly loves him some Saudis. Maybe they can shout "Allahu Trump" when they behead a woman for getting raped, stone a Gay man for existing, etc.
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Saudi royal family knows who the muslim brotherhood are. Do you Tom? Obama kept the white house full of them. Many US lawmakers want them classified as a terrorist group.
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(06-05-2017 09:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  http://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/...s/1.793763

Pressure having an impact. Kicking out Hamas terror leaders.
Pretty soon those phuckres will have nowhere to go.

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(06-05-2017 10:25 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Just a fight between Saudi Arabia and Qatar for control of terrorist groups elsewhere in the ME. Nothing to see here. And no reason to sell 110 billion in weapons to either of them.
You have no clue what's going on.

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(06-05-2017 07:16 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(06-05-2017 10:25 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Just a fight between Saudi Arabia and Qatar for control of terrorist groups elsewhere in the ME. Nothing to see here. And no reason to sell 110 billion in weapons to either of them.
You have no clue what's going on.

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None of us do, but my guess is that everyone needs to get on board with the idea that a) Palestinians aren't as important any more b) dealing with Iran is real important c) jacking around with Israel is less important now d) Muslim Brotherhood are irritating and everyone needs to stop flirting with them.
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(06-05-2017 07:10 PM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  Saudi royal family knows who the muslim brotherhood are. Do you Tom? Obama kept the white house full of them. Many US lawmakers want them classified as a terrorist group.

The Saudis are no better than the MB. The Saudis have been funding radical Madrassas and radical Wahabbism for decades. They preside over a government worse than just about anyone but ISIS.

Donald Trump's slavish support for the House of Saud and his equipping them with 110 billion in weapons is doing more to advance radical Islamism than all the Muslims in Europe and the USA put together.

Obama got the KSA right. He told them to go f-off, and went and unhinged the USA from the Saudis. He let them know....don't call us to be your b*tches in your proxy war with Iran. Call us back when you're actually willing to offer us something worthwhile for our support. With DJT, all they have to do is get a few of their insider oligarchs to throw his family some coin and pretend that they like him, and he'll open up the whole store to them.

And you guys were upset over a stupid donation to the Clinton Foundation, and not this...Mmmkay.
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(06-05-2017 10:25 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Just a fight between Saudi Arabia and Qatar for control of terrorist groups elsewhere in the ME. Nothing to see here. And no reason to sell 110 billion in weapons to either of them.
You have no clue what's going on.

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Yea, so youre down with Wahabbism and the beheading of rape victims and the banning of Christianity too?...so long as they genuflect to the white nationalist leader.

God, y'all are pathetic.

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Please explain to me why helping the Saudis gain more leverage in the ME helps the USA? You think they're our friends...LOL.
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