(06-12-2017 09:22 AM)Tigx Wrote: Wasn't that long ago that Golden State was considered a joke franchise. Bad owner, bad management, played in an old arena in Oakland.
Then they drafted Steph with the 7th pick, Klay 11th and Draymond 35th. All 3 become top 20 players in the league. They run an offense that players like, and now GS is a place players want to go.
I don't root for the Dubs, but can appreciate their greatness. Don't get all the angst because they are about to win their 2nd title in 3 years.
I just think some people are resistant to that kind of conversation b/c they feel like the NBA as a whole was better in the past. The Bulls and other teams in that era actually played defense.
I actually do appreciate their ability to shoot the ball. They're fun to watch. The best team ever?
Agreed, except for the comment about defense. Warriors are a great defensive team. Draymond and Klay might be best defenders at their position in the league. KD and Iguodala are also excellent. But I wasn't referring to the greatest team ever narrative.
In this thread, people saying Durant will kill the NBA, and woe to the NBA because the regular season is irrelevant. NBA has always been the most popular when there were mini-dynasties.
The Warriors are better at every position except the 2 guard.
Now who wins the series will be defined by what era rules you follow...If you have the illegal defense that Jordan played with that allowed posting up to be so easy than the bulls may win but with Todays Illegal defense Jordan would not be able to sit in the post like he did, not with a poor shooting Pippen, Rodman and Longley on the court.
(06-12-2017 09:22 AM)Tigx Wrote: Wasn't that long ago that Golden State was considered a joke franchise. Bad owner, bad management, played in an old arena in Oakland.
Then they drafted Steph with the 7th pick, Klay 11th and Draymond 35th. All 3 become top 20 players in the league. They run an offense that players like, and now GS is a place players want to go.
I don't root for the Dubs, but can appreciate their greatness. Don't get all the angst because they are about to win their 2nd title in 3 years.
I just think some people are resistant to that kind of conversation b/c they feel like the NBA as a whole was better in the past. The Bulls and other teams in that era actually played defense.
I actually do appreciate their ability to shoot the ball. They're fun to watch. The best team ever?
Agreed, except for the comment about defense. Warriors are a great defensive team. Draymond and Klay might be best defenders at their position in the league. KD and Iguodala are also excellent. But I wasn't referring to the greatest team ever narrative.
In this thread, people saying Durant will kill the NBA, and woe to the NBA because the regular season is irrelevant. NBA has always been the most popular when there were mini-dynasties.
The Warriors are better at every position except the 2 guard.
Now who wins the series will be defined by what era rules you follow...If you have the illegal defense that Jordan played with that allowed posting up to be so easy than the bulls may win but with Todays Illegal defense Jordan would not be able to sit in the post like he did, not with a poor shooting Pippen, Rodman and Longley on the court.
You think Draymond Green is better than Rodman?
Without a doubt...Especially in todays game...If Rodman played today no one would guard him.
To put it in shooting perspective...Curry hit more 3 pointers than the entire starting 5 for the Bulls in 96 2 years ago.
(This post was last modified: 06-12-2017 11:27 PM by macgar32.)
(06-12-2017 10:15 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote: I just think some people are resistant to that kind of conversation b/c they feel like the NBA as a whole was better in the past. The Bulls and other teams in that era actually played defense.
I actually do appreciate their ability to shoot the ball. They're fun to watch. The best team ever?
Agreed, except for the comment about defense. Warriors are a great defensive team. Draymond and Klay might be best defenders at their position in the league. KD and Iguodala are also excellent. But I wasn't referring to the greatest team ever narrative.
In this thread, people saying Durant will kill the NBA, and woe to the NBA because the regular season is irrelevant. NBA has always been the most popular when there were mini-dynasties.
The Warriors are better at every position except the 2 guard.
Now who wins the series will be defined by what era rules you follow...If you have the illegal defense that Jordan played with that allowed posting up to be so easy than the bulls may win but with Todays Illegal defense Jordan would not be able to sit in the post like he did, not with a poor shooting Pippen, Rodman and Longley on the court.
You think Draymond Green is better than Rodman?
Without a doubt...Especially in todays game...If Rodman played today no one would guard him.
To put it in shooting perspective...Curry hit more 3 pointers than the entire starting 5 for the Bulls in 96 2 years ago.
If Rodman played today he probably would work on his jumper over the summer to adjust. Draymod wasn't a good shooter his first couple years. Also the Warriors wouldn't get the same looks from 3 if that Bulls team was guarding them and especially if the game was played with the old school rules. It really just depends on which eras rules are used
(This post was last modified: 06-13-2017 04:33 AM by Dynamos.)
I never watched the finals. I saw on my main page this morning that gs had won, so i searched youtube for a video of lebron crying or something like that. I end up hearing this garbage which lowers my respect for lebron james even more. His first superteam gutted two other eastern rival teams in the eastern conference. SMH. I really hate this era of the nba which is about running to superteams to win a title, flopping, baiting refs, refs dictating games, players with major commercials getting all the calls, etc.
Charles barkley is right. Guys like lebron and KD don't want to compete.
(This post was last modified: 06-13-2017 07:21 AM by tmoneyinmphs.)
(06-13-2017 07:19 AM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote: I never watched the finals. I saw on my main page this morning that gs had won, so i searched youtube for a video of lebron crying or something like that. I end up hearing this garbage which lowers my respect for lebron james even more. His first superteam gutted two other eastern rival teams in the eastern conference. SMH. I really hate this era of the nba which is about running to superteams to win a title, flopping, baiting refs, refs dictating games, players with major commercials getting all the calls, etc.
Charles barkley is right. Guys like lebron and KD don't want to compete.
(06-13-2017 07:19 AM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote: I never watched the finals. I saw on my main page this morning that gs had won, so i searched youtube for a video of lebron crying or something like that. I end up hearing this garbage which lowers my respect for lebron james even more. His first superteam gutted two other eastern rival teams in the eastern conference. SMH. I really hate this era of the nba which is about running to superteams to win a title, flopping, baiting refs, refs dictating games, players with major commercials getting all the calls, etc.
Charles barkley is right. Guys like lebron and KD don't want to compete.
Great post
Agree and disagree.
Of course Lebron is not telling the truth, but he does that a lot. "Superteams" have a bad odor now, so even though he started the latest round of FA superteams, he is trying to distance. And by doing so he can take a shot at Golden State. But I think everyone sees through his charade.
But Barkley goes too far. Saying KD and Lebron don't want to compete, just absurd. Barkley is still butt hurt he never won a championship, so takes shots at guys like KD. Barkley complained his way out of Philly to go to the Suns in '92, and made the finals that year. Not really that much difference, IMO. Then went to Houston to join Hakeem and Drexler.
(06-12-2017 10:15 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote: I just think some people are resistant to that kind of conversation b/c they feel like the NBA as a whole was better in the past. The Bulls and other teams in that era actually played defense.
I actually do appreciate their ability to shoot the ball. They're fun to watch. The best team ever?
Agreed, except for the comment about defense. Warriors are a great defensive team. Draymond and Klay might be best defenders at their position in the league. KD and Iguodala are also excellent. But I wasn't referring to the greatest team ever narrative.
In this thread, people saying Durant will kill the NBA, and woe to the NBA because the regular season is irrelevant. NBA has always been the most popular when there were mini-dynasties.
The Warriors are better at every position except the 2 guard.
Now who wins the series will be defined by what era rules you follow...If you have the illegal defense that Jordan played with that allowed posting up to be so easy than the bulls may win but with Todays Illegal defense Jordan would not be able to sit in the post like he did, not with a poor shooting Pippen, Rodman and Longley on the court.
You think Draymond Green is better than Rodman?
Without a doubt...Especially in todays game...If Rodman played today no one would guard him.
To put it in shooting perspective...Curry hit more 3 pointers than the entire starting 5 for the Bulls in 96 2 years ago.
Rodman would have Draymond thrown out of the game in the first half. Good luck with the not guarding thing. I'm sure people tried that during his era too. Rodman wasn't a scorer; that wasn't his job. What he would do is hustle and frustrate the hell out of opponents. He was a rebounding machine. It would be no different today. He'd probably average more rebounds than he did during his time since there are less real big men in the league.
(This post was last modified: 06-13-2017 09:41 AM by cscottl1981.)
Looks like the best era is still the 90s/mj era. I'm not sure of the accuracy of this graph, but you gotta think there are more possible viewers now than in the 90s. There were so many good teams in the 90s that i actually enjoyed watching besides the bulls. Now i could care less about watching anyone other than the grizz, and even that can be tough at times considering how they call the grizz games. Imo, today's nba players and the nba itself is to blame for the lack of interest.
Ya'll can talk stats all day long, but if i had a time machine and brought back the 90s bulls, they would wipe the floor of any nba champs in the lebron era. There are several really good teams in the mj era that would dominate in today's nba. Today's nba is a shell of it's former self. Again, that's just my opinion, and i know i'm not alone in thinking this way.
(This post was last modified: 06-13-2017 06:39 PM by tmoneyinmphs.)
GST was title caliber, if not exactly a title favorite. Then they added the second best player in the league. So they elevated themselves last year. Had a Durant joined Cleveland, or San Antonio, or Houston or even the LA Clippers or Washington Wizards, they would have been favorites, barring injuries.
However, Cleveland and Oakland were the best by far so Durant was huge for them. If he stays there and Stephen Curry does not regress, they will be favored again. I am not sold on Green being more than a really good role player, but he will remain solid and Klay Thompson sometimes can be great. Their bench was huge, Iguodola starts most places and he spelled starters.
But, Korver makes that open three in game three and they may still be playing. Cleveland does not need much, does need perhaps one more good player and cannot have so many play sub par in a series.
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