(05-03-2017 09:51 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  The author was just on Calkins show and presented the pro side for Tubby in really what was a nice debate with Calkins. Posting from my phone so I really don't want to outline that but the subject of the debate, this article, is found here -- bballjones.com

Asinine article. Talking about reaching to make a statement. The two quotes he led with claiming that Calkins was contradicting himself is beyond ludicrous.

Basketball is not effected by not getting into the Big 12 while other sports are effected. The funding and facilities for basketball will soon be as good as any Big 12 or P5 facility. BB has been the bell cow for the Memphis athletic program and has never wanted for anything. Fiscally and facilities wise that is still as true today as it was 10 years ago.

(05-03-2017 03:07 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 02:51 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 02:23 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 02:04 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 01:47 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  What do you know ?

Perception is reality.

No it is not. It is perception. And who cares what the "perception" of Memphis basketball is? Do you know what the "perception" is of the current NCAA champs in basketball?

Memphis basketball needs to be re-branded. We need guys that are athletic and fundamentally sound. We need players that buy into the team concept. We need players that can shoot worth a flip and make a FT. That and we need guys who are willing to play defense. If people see those things when we play, it will be a much more attractive place for a kid to want to go. Obviously winning is important, but we're in rebuilding mode. Getting busted (yet again) for cheating after having to take a banner down not that long ago would be a bad look.

to who? other teams fans? Just means we have been beating their ass. the ncaa? who cares, the most they can do is take a banner and throw you on a year post season ban. The memories will be there. The brand will be out there with kids who could give two craps about "perception" but do care about tournament runs.

Like the dude in Blue Chips said, "I **** better when we are winning"

Well good! Now that it's all cleared up, let's apply this to our everyday lives. Fake tests. Lie on applications. Shoplift! Cheat on our spouses! Boy we're living the good life now!!

Those stats from other players is absolutely meaningless. Different players, different circumstances, different players surrounding them, different coaches, etc. etc. etc...

How many of these players came in to team with only 3 returning players, one having never played a second of college basketball?

How about zero.

(05-03-2017 01:51 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  This bballjones.com seems to be riding the coattails of Calkins and Parrish.

The oldest ploy in the book is to come out against something that already has legs.

Calkins and GP did all the work.

Please tell me you're kidding?
Those two clowns didn't do any work. They spewed their opinion nonstop.
This dude called them on it. Good for him.

(05-03-2017 05:27 PM)On To Victory Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 03:07 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 02:51 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 02:23 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 02:04 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  Perception is reality.

No it is not. It is perception. And who cares what the "perception" of Memphis basketball is? Do you know what the "perception" is of the current NCAA champs in basketball?

Memphis basketball needs to be re-branded. We need guys that are athletic and fundamentally sound. We need players that buy into the team concept. We need players that can shoot worth a flip and make a FT. That and we need guys who are willing to play defense. If people see those things when we play, it will be a much more attractive place for a kid to want to go. Obviously winning is important, but we're in rebuilding mode. Getting busted (yet again) for cheating after having to take a banner down not that long ago would be a bad look.

to who? other teams fans? Just means we have been beating their ass. the ncaa? who cares, the most they can do is take a banner and throw you on a year post season ban. The memories will be there. The brand will be out there with kids who could give two craps about "perception" but do care about tournament runs.

Like the dude in Blue Chips said, "I **** better when we are winning"

Well good! Now that it's all cleared up, let's apply this to our everyday lives. Fake tests. Lie on applications. Shoplift! Cheat on our spouses! Boy we're living the good life now!!

Look, we can go back to Mayberry if you would like but we should not be paying a coach NYC wages and charging ticket holders NYC prices. This is not "everyday life" and has not been for a very very long time.

(05-03-2017 05:32 PM)450bench Wrote:  Those stats from other players is absolutely meaningless. Different players, different circumstances, different players surrounding them, different coaches, etc. etc. etc...

How many of these players came in to team with only 3 returning players, one having never played a second of college basketball?

How about zero.

Can you provide anything to prove that?

I tend to agree our guys may put up above average #s for JUCOs because of minutes but not sure about the rest. Seems there would have to be at least one that walked into similar circumstance.

(05-03-2017 12:45 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 11:10 AM)Unbreakable04 Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 10:15 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  If the landscape has changed so drastically, then why not hold your nose and move Keelon to a recruiting assistant? The guy could assure 3-4 McDonald's AA's wear blue and gray.

The same regurgitated fake news/false narrative you hear time and time again. Keep him on staff to bring in his sons, who the latter may only stay one year as highly touted as they seem to be and the former are good college basketball players who obviously have their own flaws along with a Dad that offers nothing in terms of promoting the Memphis product, coaching, etc. and proved that over the course of two years. Why put up with all the bull**** having him on staff for 7-8 years for two 1 & done's and possible a 1 & done nephew? Oh, and then want to "do the best thing for his kids" by having them transfer yet say if he was an assistant coach they would still be here? Contradictory much? Who else was he bringing in other than his family? It's a waste of time and sad that he would have to be on staff for his family to wear Memphis jerseys. I'd rather completely rebuild for 2-3 years than have to deal with that bs on staff and rebuild with integrity, which is a quality many here lack.

played correctly, Tubby could have rebuit the program and still had Keelon on the staff. In order to win on an elite level, Memphis will need elite talent and Keelon would have provided that talent. His son's, Chandler and Jonathan will be elite college players. His nephew DJ Jefferies will be a top 10 kid. Had Tubby kept Keelon in a recruiting assistant role, he would have an elite players to build teams around... the same formula Cal used to win big here. As it is, we will be asking plow horses to compete with thoroughbreds. It might win us a game in the NCAA tournament, but it won't win any hardware.

I disagree about the Didn't the 'elite players'. We lose our last 2 games by 70 and put forth a pathetic effort in doing so. Lots of stat padding once we were out of the game against the quality teams we faced.

Isn't Bballjones a poster on this board? I think I remember him.

(05-03-2017 05:46 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 05:32 PM)450bench Wrote:  Those stats from other players is absolutely meaningless. Different players, different circumstances, different players surrounding them, different coaches, etc. etc. etc...

How many of these players came in to team with only 3 returning players, one having never played a second of college basketball?

How about zero.

Can you provide anything to prove that?

I tend to agree our guys may put up above average #s for JUCOs because of minutes but not sure about the rest. Seems there would have to be at least one that walked into similar circumstance.

Look up each of those players, their stats and their actual rosters. None entered circumstances anywhere near what these guys will enter. All these players went to teams with established players, other starters and other circumstances.

(05-03-2017 06:31 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 05:46 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 05:32 PM)450bench Wrote:  Those stats from other players is absolutely meaningless. Different players, different circumstances, different players surrounding them, different coaches, etc. etc. etc...

How many of these players came in to team with only 3 returning players, one having never played a second of college basketball?

How about zero.

Can you provide anything to prove that?

I tend to agree our guys may put up above average #s for JUCOs because of minutes but not sure about the rest. Seems there would have to be at least one that walked into similar circumstance.

Look up each of those players, their stats and their actual rosters. None entered circumstances anywhere near what these guys will enter. All these players went to teams with established players, other starters and other circumstances.

I am not the one that made the claim. Are you saying you already did the research? If so I will take your word for it.

Next bb season is going to be interesting for sure. After the cupcake part of the schedule is over we'll see what we got.

(05-03-2017 06:31 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 05:46 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 05:32 PM)450bench Wrote:  Those stats from other players is absolutely meaningless. Different players, different circumstances, different players surrounding them, different coaches, etc. etc. etc...

How many of these players came in to team with only 3 returning players, one having never played a second of college basketball?

How about zero.

Can you provide anything to prove that?

I tend to agree our guys may put up above average #s for JUCOs because of minutes but not sure about the rest. Seems there would have to be at least one that walked into similar circumstance.

Look up each of those players, their stats and their actual rosters. None entered circumstances anywhere near what these guys will enter. All these players went to teams with established players, other starters and other circumstances.

There is no team like us! Everyone left! We have 2 players returning with a combined 3yrs D1 experience!

Not much of a research guy but had this nugget sent to me.

Jimario Rivers:

juco: 22 mpg. 12.5 ppg and 6.8 rpg.

At Memphis: 22 mpg. 6.4 ppg 3.5 rpg. 450's head spins.

(05-03-2017 08:07 PM)FUT Wrote:  Not much of a research guy but had this nugget sent to me.

Jimario Rivers:

juco: 22 mpg. 12.5 ppg and 6.8 rpg.

At Memphis: 22 mpg. 6.4 ppg 3.5 rpg. 450's head spins.

That pretty much follows the 50% theory.

How do we think the minutes will be distributed?

The JUCO'S averaged between 20-25 min each at JUCO.

Are we thinking that 4 Jucos, plus Martin and Azab and Rivers and Jamal and Nickleberry and Enoh..... and 'hopefully' a shooter yet to be named....can all average more than 20 mins per game.

Had a friend at work ask me if I thought the Tigers would win 15 games and would I take the Over/Under , Said I would Take the over , he said you wanna bet $5.00, I asked him if he wanted to make that 5,000 dollars , he did not want too take that bet...
Kinda strange, seems when people don't have that much skin in the game they love to tell you how things will shake out.

(05-03-2017 08:44 PM)MonsterTigerBlue Wrote:  Had a friend at work ask me if I thought the Tigers would win 15 games and would I take the Over/Under , Said I would Take the over , he said you wanna bet $5.00, I asked him if he wanted to make that 5,000 dollars , he did not want too take that bet...
Kinda strange, seems when people don't have that much skin in the game they love to tell you how things will shake out.

All I know is this. I've never bet against the Tigers, or a Tiger player..no matter how I think or feel it is going to turn out.

(05-03-2017 01:51 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  This bballjones.com seems to be riding the coattails of Calkins and Parrish.

The oldest ploy in the book is to come out against something that already has legs.

Calkins and GP did all the work.

You have no clue what you are talking about.

(05-03-2017 08:44 PM)MonsterTigerBlue Wrote:  Had a friend at work ask me if I thought the Tigers would win 15 games and would I take the Over/Under , Said I would Take the over , he said you wanna bet $5.00, I asked him if he wanted to make that 5,000 dollars , he did not want too take that bet...
Kinda strange, seems when people don't have that much skin in the game they love to tell you how things will shake out.

I am baffled by the people who don't think we will win more than 15 games.
We will have 10 cupcake bye games. We will go around .500 in conference. That will be 19 wins. Might not be meaningful wins and certainly not the kind of wins to get us into the NCAA but we will win some ballgames.

(05-03-2017 05:34 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 01:51 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  This bballjones.com seems to be riding the coattails of Calkins and Parrish.

The oldest ploy in the book is to come out against something that already has legs.

Calkins and GP did all the work.

Please tell me you're kidding?
Those two clowns didn't do any work. They spewed their opinion nonstop.
This dude called them on it. Good for him.

CO-SIGN.