(06-19-2017 12:17 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 10:15 AM)CameramanJ Wrote:  It is one thing to do that one year. We need to do it every year

The year before WKU beat USF, Marshall beat UCONN, Toledo dominated ranked Temple and SDSU crushed Cincinnati.

One thing is for sure the top AAC teams get crushed in bowl games by other G5 schools. Their tops teams have yet to prove any separation when it counts on the field

You know, except in games that matter of course. Louisville, Penn State, Notre Dame, Florida State, Oklahoma, Baylor, South Carolina, Ole Miss... I think there's more but i can't remember

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(06-19-2017 12:36 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 12:17 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 10:15 AM)CameramanJ Wrote:  It is one thing to do that one year. We need to do it every year

The year before WKU beat USF, Marshall beat UCONN, Toledo dominated ranked Temple and SDSU crushed Cincinnati.

One thing is for sure the top AAC teams get crushed in bowl games by other G5 schools. Their tops teams have yet to prove any separation when it counts on the field

You know, except in games that matter of course. Louisville, Penn State, Notre Dame, Florida State, Oklahoma, Baylor, South Carolina, Ole Miss... I think there's more but i can't remember

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The AAC regression to the mean will continue this season. There's no Tom Herman, Blake Bortles, Paxton Lynch, or Matt Rhule anymore.

BTW, why is it AAC people always talk about how they just don't care about bowl games against the rest of the G5 and that's why their record is so bad, but think Florida State and South Carolina are going to be amped to play Houston and South Florida?

(06-19-2017 02:22 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 12:36 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 12:17 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 10:15 AM)CameramanJ Wrote:  It is one thing to do that one year. We need to do it every year

The year before WKU beat USF, Marshall beat UCONN, Toledo dominated ranked Temple and SDSU crushed Cincinnati.

One thing is for sure the top AAC teams get crushed in bowl games by other G5 schools. Their tops teams have yet to prove any separation when it counts on the field

You know, except in games that matter of course. Louisville, Penn State, Notre Dame, Florida State, Oklahoma, Baylor, South Carolina, Ole Miss... I think there's more but i can't remember

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The AAC regression to the mean will continue this season. There's no Tom Herman, Blake Bortles, Paxton Lynch, or Matt Rhule anymore.

BTW, why is it AAC people always talk about how they just don't care about bowl games against the rest of the G5 and that's why their record is so bad, but think Florida State and South Carolina are going to be amped to play Houston and South Florida?

Paxton Lynch and Blake Bortles haven't been around for some time. Riley Ferguson is projected in way to early mock drafts as a second rounder. Several pundits mention Memphis as an Access Bowl contender...almost surreal for long time Tiger fans. Season ticket sales are triple what they were this time last year. Don't think many in the know predict Memphis regressing to their mean (would be hard to do in one season -lol), more likely they need to be looking for a new head coach if the program keeps on the current trajectory.

The whole bowl game let down theory existed way before any P5/G5 distinction began. I'd be shocked if AAC fans are proud of the bowl record. It stinks and has cost them money in the form of conference distributions (meaning they fell in ranking after bowl results were compiled). My only comment related to the subject is that unless it's an Access Bowl win, bowls don't sway perception as much as regular season games. The advent of the CFP, the weekly TV show, and their justifications carry wins forward much longer than bowl games. Maybe b/c they are stacked on top of the other or sport fatigue... I'm guessing here b/c I really don't know why they aren't given more media weight as they are the last game played for over half a year, but welcome ideas other have on the subject. After the first CFP ranking in 2015, when they spent a segment discussing Memphis possibly crashing the CFP, their media profile went up exponentially and has remained higher than prior to the move to the AAC and the advent of the CFP. WKU totally destroyed Memphis last year in their bowl game, but it doesn't seem to have negatively affected their preseason mentions this year (doesn't mean fans don't care that they lost).

(06-19-2017 03:21 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  Paxton Lynch and Blake Bortles haven't been around for some time. Riley Ferguson is projected in way to early mock drafts as a second rounder. Several pundits mention Memphis as an Access Bowl contender...almost surreal for long time Tiger fans. Season ticket sales are triple what they were this time last year. Don't think many in the know predict Memphis regressing to their mean (would be hard to do in one season -lol), more likely they need to be looking for a new head coach if the program keeps on the current trajectory.

The whole bowl game let down theory existed way before any P5/G5 distinction began. I'd be shocked if AAC fans are proud of the bowl record. It stinks and has cost them money in the form of conference distributions (meaning they fell in ranking after bowl results were compiled). My only comment related to the subject is that unless it's an Access Bowl win, bowls don't sway perception as much as regular season games. The advent of the CFP, the weekly TV show, and their justifications carry wins forward much longer than bowl games. Maybe b/c they are stacked on top of the other or sport fatigue... I'm guessing here b/c I really don't know why they aren't given more media weight as they are the last game played for over half a year, but welcome ideas other have on the subject. After the first CFP ranking in 2015, when they spent a segment discussing Memphis possibly crashing the CFP, their media profile went up exponentially and has remained higher than prior to the move to the AAC and the advent of the CFP. WKU totally destroyed Memphis last year in their bowl game, but it doesn't seem to have negatively affected their preseason mentions this year (doesn't mean fans don't care that they lost).

I'll say this about bowls....the only reason that USF is getting all the preseason hype they are is because they beat South Carolina in that bowl game. Without that the AAC doesn't even have a ranked team at season's end. I think you underestimate the importance of the bowl games.

And if USF is the best the AAC has the league would probably still be the G5 conference but it won't be as decisive as 2015 and 2016. The SBC and CUSA both have no fewer than 3 teams that could've beaten that South Carolina team in that bowl game.

(06-19-2017 02:22 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 12:36 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 12:17 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 10:15 AM)CameramanJ Wrote:  It is one thing to do that one year. We need to do it every year

The year before WKU beat USF, Marshall beat UCONN, Toledo dominated ranked Temple and SDSU crushed Cincinnati.

One thing is for sure the top AAC teams get crushed in bowl games by other G5 schools. Their tops teams have yet to prove any separation when it counts on the field

You know, except in games that matter of course. Louisville, Penn State, Notre Dame, Florida State, Oklahoma, Baylor, South Carolina, Ole Miss... I think there's more but i can't remember

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The AAC regression to the mean will continue this season. There's no Tom Herman, Blake Bortles, Paxton Lynch, or Matt Rhule anymore.

BTW, why is it AAC people always talk about how they just don't care about bowl games against the rest of the G5 and that's why their record is so bad, but think Florida State and South Carolina are going to be amped to play Houston and South Florida?

but there is Charlie Strong/Quinton Flowers and Mike Norvell/Riley Ferguson.

I'd much prefer to play Auburn, FSU, South Carolina, etc over almost any G5 (maybe BYU)

If I had to predict next season right now:

USF (10-2/6-2)
UCF (7-5/5-3)
Temple (6-6/3-5)
Cincy (5-7/3-5) [loses tie breaker to Temple]
ECU (4-8/2-6) [upsets BYU]
UConn (2-10/0-8) 'It'll get worse before it gets better'

Memphis (9-3/6-2)
Houston (8-4/6-2) [loses tie breaker to Memphis]
Tulsa (7-5/5-3)
Navy (7-5/5-3) [loses tie breaker to Tulsa]
SMU (6-6/3-5)
Tulane (2-10/0-8) 'It'll get worse before it gets better'

USF beats Memphis in the Champ game, 11-2 USF gets the Access Bowl...Memphis goes to Annapolis to play an ACC team...Houston goes to B'ham to play a SEC team...Tulsa goes to the Frisco Bowl...Navy goes to the Hawai'i Bowl...UCF goes to Boca Bowl...Temple goes to the St Pete Bowl...SMU goes to the Cure Bowl

just my guess.

(06-19-2017 05:23 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 03:21 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  Paxton Lynch and Blake Bortles haven't been around for some time. Riley Ferguson is projected in way to early mock drafts as a second rounder. Several pundits mention Memphis as an Access Bowl contender...almost surreal for long time Tiger fans. Season ticket sales are triple what they were this time last year. Don't think many in the know predict Memphis regressing to their mean (would be hard to do in one season -lol), more likely they need to be looking for a new head coach if the program keeps on the current trajectory.

The whole bowl game let down theory existed way before any P5/G5 distinction began. I'd be shocked if AAC fans are proud of the bowl record. It stinks and has cost them money in the form of conference distributions (meaning they fell in ranking after bowl results were compiled). My only comment related to the subject is that unless it's an Access Bowl win, bowls don't sway perception as much as regular season games. The advent of the CFP, the weekly TV show, and their justifications carry wins forward much longer than bowl games. Maybe b/c they are stacked on top of the other or sport fatigue... I'm guessing here b/c I really don't know why they aren't given more media weight as they are the last game played for over half a year, but welcome ideas other have on the subject. After the first CFP ranking in 2015, when they spent a segment discussing Memphis possibly crashing the CFP, their media profile went up exponentially and has remained higher than prior to the move to the AAC and the advent of the CFP. WKU totally destroyed Memphis last year in their bowl game, but it doesn't seem to have negatively affected their preseason mentions this year (doesn't mean fans don't care that they lost).

I'll say this about bowls....the only reason that USF is getting all the preseason hype they are is because they beat South Carolina in that bowl game. Without that the AAC doesn't even have a ranked team at season's end. I think you underestimate the importance of the bowl games.

And if USF is the best the AAC has the league would probably still be the G5 conference but it won't be as decisive as 2015 and 2016. The SBC and CUSA both have no fewer than 3 teams that could've beaten that South Carolina team in that bowl game.

Very possibly so, but I am speculating from a macro, not micro view. With the CFP, all games outside the playoff have diminished in stature within a three year time span. With more and more players opting out to minimize injury/better prepare for the draft, I only this trend increasing...affecting perception of these games.

(06-19-2017 06:39 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 05:23 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 03:21 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  Paxton Lynch and Blake Bortles haven't been around for some time. Riley Ferguson is projected in way to early mock drafts as a second rounder. Several pundits mention Memphis as an Access Bowl contender...almost surreal for long time Tiger fans. Season ticket sales are triple what they were this time last year. Don't think many in the know predict Memphis regressing to their mean (would be hard to do in one season -lol), more likely they need to be looking for a new head coach if the program keeps on the current trajectory.

The whole bowl game let down theory existed way before any P5/G5 distinction began. I'd be shocked if AAC fans are proud of the bowl record. It stinks and has cost them money in the form of conference distributions (meaning they fell in ranking after bowl results were compiled). My only comment related to the subject is that unless it's an Access Bowl win, bowls don't sway perception as much as regular season games. The advent of the CFP, the weekly TV show, and their justifications carry wins forward much longer than bowl games. Maybe b/c they are stacked on top of the other or sport fatigue... I'm guessing here b/c I really don't know why they aren't given more media weight as they are the last game played for over half a year, but welcome ideas other have on the subject. After the first CFP ranking in 2015, when they spent a segment discussing Memphis possibly crashing the CFP, their media profile went up exponentially and has remained higher than prior to the move to the AAC and the advent of the CFP. WKU totally destroyed Memphis last year in their bowl game, but it doesn't seem to have negatively affected their preseason mentions this year (doesn't mean fans don't care that they lost).

I'll say this about bowls....the only reason that USF is getting all the preseason hype they are is because they beat South Carolina in that bowl game. Without that the AAC doesn't even have a ranked team at season's end. I think you underestimate the importance of the bowl games.

And if USF is the best the AAC has the league would probably still be the G5 conference but it won't be as decisive as 2015 and 2016. The SBC and CUSA both have no fewer than 3 teams that could've beaten that South Carolina team in that bowl game.

Very possibly so, but I am speculating from a macro, not micro view. With the CFP, all games outside the playoff have diminished in stature within a three year time span. With more and more players opting out to minimize injury/better prepare for the draft, I only this trend increasing...affecting perception of these games.

Let's be totally honest here: Had Memphis beaten WKU, UCF beaten Arkansas St, Houston or Cincinnati beaten SDSU the last 2 bowl cycles the bowls would've mattered. There has been some hypocrisy going on with the Bowls with some AAC posters the past few years...the Bowls matter. Houston beat Florida St and that counts. SDSU beat Houston and that counts.

(06-19-2017 07:00 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 06:39 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 05:23 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 03:21 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  Paxton Lynch and Blake Bortles haven't been around for some time. Riley Ferguson is projected in way to early mock drafts as a second rounder. Several pundits mention Memphis as an Access Bowl contender...almost surreal for long time Tiger fans. Season ticket sales are triple what they were this time last year. Don't think many in the know predict Memphis regressing to their mean (would be hard to do in one season -lol), more likely they need to be looking for a new head coach if the program keeps on the current trajectory.

The whole bowl game let down theory existed way before any P5/G5 distinction began. I'd be shocked if AAC fans are proud of the bowl record. It stinks and has cost them money in the form of conference distributions (meaning they fell in ranking after bowl results were compiled). My only comment related to the subject is that unless it's an Access Bowl win, bowls don't sway perception as much as regular season games. The advent of the CFP, the weekly TV show, and their justifications carry wins forward much longer than bowl games. Maybe b/c they are stacked on top of the other or sport fatigue... I'm guessing here b/c I really don't know why they aren't given more media weight as they are the last game played for over half a year, but welcome ideas other have on the subject. After the first CFP ranking in 2015, when they spent a segment discussing Memphis possibly crashing the CFP, their media profile went up exponentially and has remained higher than prior to the move to the AAC and the advent of the CFP. WKU totally destroyed Memphis last year in their bowl game, but it doesn't seem to have negatively affected their preseason mentions this year (doesn't mean fans don't care that they lost).

I'll say this about bowls....the only reason that USF is getting all the preseason hype they are is because they beat South Carolina in that bowl game. Without that the AAC doesn't even have a ranked team at season's end. I think you underestimate the importance of the bowl games.

And if USF is the best the AAC has the league would probably still be the G5 conference but it won't be as decisive as 2015 and 2016. The SBC and CUSA both have no fewer than 3 teams that could've beaten that South Carolina team in that bowl game.

Very possibly so, but I am speculating from a macro, not micro view. With the CFP, all games outside the playoff have diminished in stature within a three year time span. With more and more players opting out to minimize injury/better prepare for the draft, I only this trend increasing...affecting perception of these games.

Let's be totally honest here: Had Memphis beaten WKU, UCF beaten Arkansas St, Houston or Cincinnati beaten SDSU the last 2 bowl cycles the bowls would've mattered. There has been some hypocrisy going on with the Bowls with some AAC posters the past few years...the Bowls matter. Houston beat Florida St and that counts. SDSU beat Houston and that counts.

Of course they count. Bowl results have negatively impacted the AAC two of the three years of the CFP. However, over the same time period, the shelf life of regular season games has increased over bowl games. With the CFP rehashing previous week's results and media reports dissecting/showing video long after completion, the regular season has gained in media coverage verses one and done bowl games. The most bang for the buck (in terms of perception) has trended more and more to regular season games (outside the CFP). Perception can be changed more easily during the regular season (outside the CFP), than in bowls that are not given as much attention or discounted for whatever reason (letdown, players opting out...). Case in point, the AAC (as a whole) has done terribly in the post season, but is still reported (perception) as a top G5 conference by most outlets.

Cal solidifying the PAC as closer to the bottom of the P6.

Oldtimer's Potential order for the OS Rank selection. I'm Copping Out a little, I decided to go with a RANK RANGE. LOL

94-90. FIU (4-8) Picked at # 91
90-85. Marshall (3-9) Picked at # 89
87- 83. North Texas (5-8) Picked at # 100
85-80. UTSA (6-7) Picked at #83
85-.78 USM (7-6) Picked at #81
82-76 . ODU (10-3) Will be PICKED by Matt higher than I originally predicted
75- 70. MTSU (8-5) Picked at #73
73- 65. LA Tech (9-5) Will be PICKED by Matt higher than 2016 Rank and what I predicted
62-55. WKU (11-3)[/b]

3 CUSA teams to be selected.........go CUSA


NOW ONLY TWO left on my Nostradamus Predictions 6/21/17 Maryland has to be PICKED soon.....

15). Boston College ACC P5 PICKED # 70
14). Army Independent # 71
13). Rutgers Big Ten P5 PICKED at # 93
12). Ball State MAC G5 PICKED at # 75
11). FIU C-USA G5 PICKED at # 91
10) Maryland Big Ten P5
9). East Carolina AAC G5 PICKED at # 101
8). Purdue Big Ten P5 Picked at # # 86
7). Eastern Michigan MAC G5 Picked at #90
6). SMU AAC G5 Picked at # 97
5). Vanderbilt SEC P5
4). Hawaii Mountain West G5 Picked at#96
3). Virginia ACC P5 PICKED at # 92
2). Louisiana-Monroe Sun Belt G5 PICKED at # 99
1). Miami (Ohio) MAC G5 PICKED at # 102

REMINDER 2016 COUNTDOWN

66 Teams PICKED 64 to go...

2016 Selections
1 Clemson ACC 14-1
2 Oklahoma Big 12 11-2
3 Alabama SEC 14-1
4 Notre Dame Independent 10-3
5 Oklahoma State Big 12 10-3
6 Florida State ACC 10-3
7 Ohio State Big Ten 12-1
8 UCLA Pac-12 8-5
9 Michigan Big Ten 10- 3
10 Baylor Big 12 10-3
11 Tennessee SEC 9-4
12 Stanford Pac-12 12-2
13 LSU SEC 9-3
14 Houston ACC 13-1
15 Michigan State Big Ten 12-2
16 Ole Miss SEC 10-3
17 USC Pac-12 8-6
18 Wisconsin Big Ten 10-3
19 North Carolina ACC 11-3
20 Oregon Pac-12 9-4
21 Florida SEC 10-4
22 Iowa Big Ten 12-2
23 Louisville ACC 8-5
24 Northwestern Big Ten 10-3
25 Miami ACC 8-5
26 Georgia SEC 10-3
27 Penn State Big Ten 7-6
28 TCU Big 12 11-2.
29 Pittsburgh ACC 8-5
30 Washington State Pac-12 9-4
31 Western Kentucky C-USA 12-2
32 Arkansas SEC 8-5
33 Boise State Mountain West 9-4
34 Utah Pac-12 10-6
35 Nebraska Big Ten 6-7
36 Virginia Tech ACC 7-6
37 Auburn SEC 7-6
38 Washington Pac-12 7-6
39 Texas A&M SEC 8-5
40 Temple AAC 10-4
41 Air Force Mountain West 8-6
42 Arizona Pac-12 7-6
43 Mississippi State SEC 9-4
44 Western Michigan MAC 8-5
45 USF AAC 8-5
46 Central Michigan MAC 7-6
47 Texas Big 12 5-7
48 Toledo MAC 10-2
49 San Diego State Mountain West 11-3
50 Northern Illinois MAC 8-6
51 Cincinnati AAC 7-6
52 Appalachian State Sun Belt 11-2
53 Bowling Green MAC 10-4
54 South Carolina SEC 3-9
55 Southern Miss C-USA 9-5 # 81 Down 26 Places
56 Georgia Southern Sun Belt 9-4
57 Marshall C-USA 10-3 # 85 DOWN 28 Places
58 West Virginia Big 12 8-5
59 Minnesota Big Ten 6-7
60 Colorado State Mountain West 7-6
61 Ohio MAC 8-5
62 Memphis AAC 9-4
63 Middle Tennessee C-USA 7-6 #72 DOWN 9 Places
64 NC State ACC 7-6
65 Arkansas State Sun Belt 9-4
66 Louisiana Tech C-USA 9-4
67 Navy AAC 11-2
68 Duke ACC 8-5
69 BYU Independent 9-4
70 Texas Tech Big 12 7-6
71 UConn AAC 6-7
72 Utah State Mountain West 6-7
73 Arizona State Pac-12 6-7
74 Georgia Tech ACC 3-9
75 Kansas State Big 12 6-7
76 Tulsa AAC 6-7# 67
77 Nevada Mountain West 7-6
78 Georgia State Sun 6-7
79 Kentucky SEC 5-7
80 California Pac-12 8-5
81 Indiana Big Ten 6-7
82 East Carolina AAC 5-7
83 Boston College ACC 3-9
84 Missouri SEC 5-7
85 Fresno State Mountain West 3-9
86 Syracuse ACC 4-8
87 FAU C-USA 3-9 2016 # 106 DOWN 19 Places
88 New Mexico Mountain West 7-6
89 Troy Sun Belt 4-8
90 UCF AAC 0-12
91 San Jose State Mountain West 6-7
92 Buffalo MAC 5-7 #128
93 Vanderbilt SEC 4-8
94 Idaho Sun Belt 4-8
95 Old Dominion C-USA 5-7
96 Maryland Big Ten 3-9
97 Louisiana-Lafayette Sun Belt 4-8
98 Virginia ACC 5-8
99 Texas-San Antonio C-USA 3-9 Picked at 83 UP 16 Places
100 Akron MAC 8-5
101 Rutgers Big Ten 4-8
102 Colorado Pac-12 4-9
103 Wake Forest ACC 3-9
104 Ball State MAC 3-9
105 UTEP C-USA 5-7 2017 # 114 DOWN 9 Places
106 Illinois Big Ten 5-7
107 Kent State MAC 3-9
108 Rice C-USA 5-7 2017 110 DOWN 2 Places
109 South Alabama Sun Belt 5-7
110 Eastern Michigan MAC 1-11 #110
111 Texas State Sun Belt 3-9 #129
112 FIU C-USA 5-7 2017 91 UP 21 Places
113 UNLV Mountain West 3-9
114 Iowa State Big 12 3-9
115 Charlotte C-USA 2-10 2017 #126 DOWN 11 places
116 Oregon State Pac-12 2-10
117 Wyoming Mountain West 2-10
118 New Mexico State Sun Belt 3-9 #127
119 Purdue Big Ten 2-10
120 Kansas BIG 12 0-12
121 Hawaii Mountain West 3-10
122 SMU AAC 2-10
123 Louisiana-Monroe Sun Belt 2-11
124 Miami (Ohio) MAC 3-9
125 Army Independent 2-10
126 Tulane AAC 3-9
127 North Texas Conference USA 1-11 2017 #100 UP 27 places
128 UMass Independent 3-9
NOT ON 2016 LIST Selected # 115 in 2017 Coastal Carolina
130 UAB NOT ON 2016 LIST

ONLY 13 G5's LEFT...... Here is a possible FINISH for the remaining G5 conference teams.............maybe?
AAC (5)
USF
Houston
Memphis
Navy
UCF
T̶u̶l̶s̶a̶ Picked # 67

C-USA (3)
Western Kentucky
LA Tech
Old Dominion
M̶i̶d̶d̶l̶e̶ T̶e̶n̶n̶e̶s̶s̶e̶e̶ Picked #73

Mountain West (3)
Boise State
San Diego State
Wyoming

MAC (1)
Toledo
M̶i̶a̶m̶i̶ (̶O̶h̶i̶o̶)̶ Picked # 69

Sun Belt (1)
Appalachian State
T̶r̶o̶y̶ - Picked #68

AGGIE, MY PICKS

1. Which conference will be the first to have all teams selected? MAC
I agree I think the MAC will have both Miami (Ohio),PICKED # 69 & Toledo before any other G5 conference is filled in.
ONLY ONE TO GO
2. Which conference will be the last to have all teams selected? ACC ...AAC ?
Yep....I agree AAC, I thing USF and Houston will be the last TWO (2) selected from the five conferences I think NAVY will need to have a good replacement for their QB they lost to have a great year..

3. Which team will be next to be selected? UCF
Maybe Tulsa PICKED #67 , they need a QB just like ODU. It might be us.... IMO I think UCF will be really good this year. Last year they only lost to Temple by a point and almost beat Houston They had a fantastic recruiting class for 2017, the #1 class in the AAC. They picked up one of the top freshman running backs in the country with another RB that was a 4 star. The also snagged a local QB from Norview Darriel Mack out of Norfolk. He had an outstanding Sr. year. He may red shirt. The 2017 class had 20 3 stars and a 4 star gave them a monster recruiting class.. BINGO

4 Which team will be last to be selected? Navy
USF AAC - They are returning almost every one from last years team that went 10 -3. Their only defeat in the AAC was to Temple. They also were very competitive against Florida St..

5. What will be the G5 order of the average ranks after all are selected?
AAC, C-USA, Mountain West, MAC, Sun Belt
Perfect.... AAC, C-USA, Mountain West, MAC..................SBC.

6. Does anybody care? Not really.
LOL, Care maybe not, but enjoy the off season chatter...YES. Thanks for all the work AGGIE..

I Of the remaining G5 Schools, I think @Wyoming, *Toledo or #Old Dominion may be up in the next few picks. I hope it is Wyoming. The MWC will be intriguing for the final order. San Diego State had a unbelievable 2016 going 11-3 ending the year with a win over Houston in the Las Vegas Bowl and RANKED # 25 in the final poll. They lose a lot of starters from last years team but keep their QB and a strong group from their defensive unit. Than if you look or compare Boise State, the MWC may finish ahead of CUSA slightly, all will certainly depend on the pick first of ODU and Wyoming. Than next SDSU against LA Tech and finally the placement of WKU compared to Boise. After a closer review, I do think the MWC will edge out ahead of CUSA. We will see in just a few weeks.

*Toledo will need to replenish a strong offensive squad from last year. They return their QB but have lost some very key players from a team that did a lot of scoring (averaged about 40 points per game). They played App state really strong last year in the Camellia Bowl losing 31 -28. (Logan Woodside, Toledo's QB is OUTSTANDING
Woodside headlined Toledo’s explosive offense last season and torching opposing defenses for 4,129 yards and 45 scores. He tossed at least two touchdowns in every game and finished fourth nationally by completing 69.1 percent of his throws). He would be the reason for them to be picked higher, if Matt feels this offsets their other loses.

@ Wyoming will be stealer on defense maybe one of the best in the country, especially at the G5 ranks. However, they will be in need of some offensive weapons as they only return 6 players on the offensive side of the ball not including their QB.

# ODU, first off ODU will need to replace a QB that knew how to move the chains. The defense will be good but will need to replace some key loses from last year. ODU did rank in the top 25 in many defense categories #4 in turn over margin, # 15 fumble recoveries and in the top 50 for overall defense last year. The big question mark will remain the QB position. The new JC transfer Jordan Hoy out of Fullerton JC was outstanding in HS... Highlights.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t1dfpjNPtU He also had a very strong Freshman season at Fullerton. A 6-foot-1, 195-pound native of Rockwall, Texas, Hoy completed 246 of 391 passes for 3,434 yards and a school-record 37 touchdowns against just six interceptions last fall. He also rushed for 712 yards and nine touchdowns and led the team in passing and rushing. He was named the 2016 Southern California junior college offensive player of the year. Will have 3 years of eligibility left.

Hey OldTimer, just a tidbit about Darriel Mack.

It's very likely he does not redshirt. We've had an exodus of Quarterbacks, with the advent of the Scott Frost offense (Oregon) from the GOL offense (Play Action, spread).

As of right now, we have two scholarship QBs. One is a True Sophomore, the other is a Redshirt Senior.

Darriel Mack or Noah Vedral, one of them will certainly see backup role this year and if I were a betting man I'd say it would be Mack.

Vedral is talented, but is where Milton was this time last year. He needs a year to grow I think, whereas Mack looks like he could play right now.

Yep. Cal is in at 66, and here are the updated G5 numbers.

AAC 74.00
MWC 83.67
C-USA 85.86
MAC 91.50
SBC 98.59

6/20/2017

Includes Cal at 66

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/co...-rankings/

66. California
67. Tulsa
68. Troy
69. Miami (Ohio)
70. Boston College
71. Texas Tech
72. Army
73. Middle Tennessee
74. Ball State
75. Arkansas State
76. Syracuse
77. New Mexico
78. Georgia Tech
79. Western Michigan
80. Oregon State
81. Southern Miss
82. Pitt
83. UTSA
84. Nevada
85. Duke
86. Purdue
87. Northern Illinois
88. Georgia Southern
89. Marshall
90. Eastern Michigan
91. Florida International
92. Virginia
93. Rutgers
94. Colorado State
95. Central Michigan
96. Hawaii
97. SMU
98. Air Force
99. Louisiana Monroe
100. North Texas
101. Ohio
102. East Carolina
103. San Jose State
104. Bowling Green
105. South Alabama
106. Florida Atlantic
107. Tulane
108. Louisiana Lafayette
109. Iowa State
110. Rice
111. Temple
112. Idaho
113. UNLV
114. UTEP
115 Coastal Carolina
116. Akron
117. Utah State
118. Cincinnati
119. Kansas
120. Illinois
121. UCONN
122. Kent State
123. Fresno State
124. GA State
125. UMASS
126. Charlotte
127. New Mexico State
128. Buffalo
129. Texas State
130. UAB

AAC - 7 UCONN (121), Cincinnati (118), Temple (111), Tulane (107), East Carolina (102), SMU (97), Tulsa (67)
C-USA - 11 UAB (130), Charlotte (126), UTEP (114), Rice (110), FAU (106), North Texas (100), FIU (91), Marshall (89), UTSA (83), Southern Miss (81), Middle Tennessee (73)
MAC - 11 Buffalo (128), Kent State (122), Akron (116), Bowling Green (104) Ohio, (101), Central Michigan (95), Eastern Michigan (90), Northern Illinois (87), Western Michigan (79), Ball State (74), Miami (Ohio) 69
MT West - 9 Fresno State (123), Utah State (117), UNLV (113), San Jose State (103), Air Force (98), Hawaii (96), Colorado State (94), Nevada (84), New Mexico (77)
Sun Belt - 11 Texas State (129), NM State (127), GA State (124), Coastal Carolina (115), Idaho (112), Louisiana Lafayette (108), South Alabama (105), Louisiana Monroe (99), Georgia Southern (88), Arkansas State (75), Troy (68)

Big 12 - 3 Kansas (119), Iowa State (109), Texas Tech (71)
B1G - 3 Illinois (120), Rutgers (93), Purdue (86)
ACC - 6 Virginia (92), Duke (85), Pitt (82), Georgia Tech (78), Syracuse (76), Boston College (70)
PAC12 - 2 Oregon State (80), 66)(Cal

Independent - 2 UMASS (125), Army (72)

(06-20-2017 06:48 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Hey OldTimer, just a tidbit about Darriel Mack.

It's very likely he does not redshirt. We've had an exodus of Quarterbacks, with the advent of the Scott Frost offense (Oregon) from the GOL offense (Play Action, spread).

As of right now, we have two scholarship QBs. One is a True Sophomore, the other is a Redshirt Senior.

Darriel Mack or Noah Vedral, one of them will certainly see backup role this year and if I were a betting man I'd say it would be Mack.

Vedral is talented, but is where Milton was this time last year. He needs a year to grow I think, whereas Mack looks like he could play right now.

He had lots of accolades locally and was one of the best to come out of Norview for many years. 1987 was the last year they had a player of the year for the ALL-Tidewater selection (Norfolk, VA. Beach, Chesapeake, Portsmouth, Suffolk) an area with over 1.6 million people.. His district was very competitive and he was selected the Tidewater Player of the year and lead his team to the State 5A semi finals. He was OUTSTANDING. He will be a star for sure.

(06-20-2017 07:01 AM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 06:48 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Hey OldTimer, just a tidbit about Darriel Mack.

It's very likely he does not redshirt. We've had an exodus of Quarterbacks, with the advent of the Scott Frost offense (Oregon) from the GOL offense (Play Action, spread).

As of right now, we have two scholarship QBs. One is a True Sophomore, the other is a Redshirt Senior.

Darriel Mack or Noah Vedral, one of them will certainly see backup role this year and if I were a betting man I'd say it would be Mack.

Vedral is talented, but is where Milton was this time last year. He needs a year to grow I think, whereas Mack looks like he could play right now.

He had lots of accolades locally and was one of the best to come out of Norview for many years. 1987 was the last year they had a player of the year for the ALL-Tidewater selection (Norfolk, VA. Beach, Chesapeake, Portsmouth, Suffolk) an area with over 1.6 million people.. His district was very competitive and he was selected the Tidewater Player of the year and lead his team to the State 5A semi finals. He was OUTSTANDING. He will be a star for sure.

Good to hear. We've got high hopes for the kid, he'll be pushed for sure, with Milton looking to hold onto the starting position, Noah Vedral certainly being a competitor and 2 sport all star himself.

Throw in the kid we're getting this recruiting class from Michigan who looks incredible... hopefully too many QB's in the kitchen is the biggest problem we have.

65 teams in. 65 to go.

In other words, ODU is now officially a top half team (at least according to some guy who probably wears sandals year 'round).

Whoo Hoo!

(06-20-2017 08:19 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  65 teams in. 65 to go.

In other words, ODU is now officially a top half team (at least according to some guy who probably wears sandals year 'round).

Whoo Hoo!

Nothing wrong with Flip flops year round... or sandals.

But I bet Ole Matty boi here where's socks too.

I did not expect us to make it this far into the numbers.

(06-20-2017 10:43 AM)CameramanJ Wrote:  I did not expect us to make it this far into the numbers.

Odd to see since your QB situation is still up for grabs.

(06-20-2017 08:19 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  65 teams in. 65 to go.

In other words, ODU is now officially a top half team (at least according to some guy who probably wears sandals year 'round).

Whoo Hoo!

I believe one more to go..... 64 selected 66 remain to be ranked.

(06-20-2017 11:11 AM)wh49er Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 10:43 AM)CameramanJ Wrote:  I did not expect us to make it this far into the numbers.

Odd to see since your QB situation is still up for grabs.

I assume this Orlando guy is basing his assessment on our defensive line and our running game, both of which should be fairly good this year. Secondary is improving but still needs some polish. QB is largely unknown. Special Teams will probably be streaky, but hopefully with more consistency on XPs and field goals. Punts might be good too. I have a feeling we might pad the record with wins over down-year teams again