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Rank Division I programs in your state in terms of resources
Obviously, "resources" has a subjective definition, but let's refer here to the components we can all agree it takes to be successful in D-I athletics, i.e.: $$$, fan support, $$$, facilities, $$$, tradition, $$$, location, $$$, media exposure, $$$, etc.

If I've left something out — and I'm sure I have — feel free to mention it and factor it in your rankings.

For the sake of consistency, rate all Division I programs in your state on a 10-point scale with the school(s) at the top, resource-wise, automatically being a 10 and then the scores of the rest in relation to the top.

MISSISSIPPI (6 Division I programs)

10 — Mississippi/Mississippi State (SEC)
Not much of a difference here. Ole Miss has traditionally been the school of the elite in this state and may have a small edge money-wise, but it seems like MSU has more widespread support across the state. Overall and FWIW, in football and men's basketball, State has generally had more success signing the top in-state prospects in the past 20 years.

5 — Southern Miss (C-USA)
I don't know that the gap has ever been wider, resource-wise, between Mississippi's two SEC schools and the Golden Eagles. The changing media landscape, Conference USA's declining profile and the suddenly crowded landscape of mid-major football programs in the South have all chipped away at USM's stature as a widely respected giant killer. Not sure those days are ever coming back, either.

2.5 — Jackson State (SWAC)
There has been talk from time to time that JSU might leave its HBCU home since 1958, but the school's resources are limited even as the only D-I school in the state's largest city. The university's administrative issues have been a problem for years.

1.5 — Alcorn State (SWAC)
Very remote location and sparse resources.

1.0 — Mississippi Valley State (SWAC)
Pretty much the same situation as Alcorn but with less tradition as an institution. There's been talk of closure for years. It wouldn't be a shock if it happened in the next decade.
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RE: Rank Division I programs in your state in terms of resources
It's kind of difficult to do here because of the stark difference between Football and Basketball some places, but I'll give it a try...

TOP TIER
North Carolina
NC State
Duke

All have multiple national championships in basketball and a wide state-wide following. Duke and UNC in particular have a large number within the fan base with no ties to the school other than geography.

SECOND TIER
Wake Forest
East Carolina

The large, passionate fan base helps ECU keep pace with Wake Forest, a small school where a large percentage of graduates leave the state after graduation, despite the latter's P5 conference affiliation.

MIDDLE TIER
Appalachian State
Charlotte
Davidson

Davidson is a good school that has gotten a lot more attention post-Steph Curry. A move to the A-10 also has helped their profile. Charlotte is known mainly for their basketball program, and should move up the ranks as their football improves. Appalachian can draw 30K to their football games and has been very successful in both FCS and now FBS.

THE REST

Campbell
Elon
Gardner-Webb
High Point
NC A&T
NC Central
UNC Asheville
UNC Greensboro
UNC Wilmington
Western Carolina

I don't really know enough about these schools to sort them out in to two or three ore tiers like I'd like to. There are a lot of D1 schools in this state!
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Michigan. Since there are seven D1 schools in Michigan, I won't list any ties and try to give reasoning for each.

1. University of Michigan - Almost unlimited resources. Home football game revenues are gigantic and they have a huge donor base. Michigan football is taking a trip to Rome and a donor paid for the entire trip!

2. Michigan State - Right up there with Michigan, but they don't have the home football game revenues and the donor base. Otherwise, the Spartans are on par with Their neighbors to the south.

3. Western Michigan - The Broncos aren't close to the two Big10 teams, but have the most resources of the three MAC schools. Huge school that has a good hockey program and was willing to pay out to keep PJ Fleck as their football coach.

4. Central Michigan - The Chips are in a great place for what they have. Will always lag behind their rival WMU, but they do well for themselves.

5. Eastern Michigan - They have a really good debate team.

6. Oakland - Growing school (just opened a med school) in one of the most wealthy areas of Michigan (Oakland County), they have the resources to compete in the Horizon league.

7. Detroit Mercy - Like many small, private schools in the state, they are struggling a bit.
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In Georgia I would say:

10 University of Georgia - The Bulldogs gobble up most of the resources in the state and because of the structure of Georgia's Board of Regents all of the state schools come second or third behind UGA.

8 Georgia Tech - The Yellow Jackets get a lot of support from the BOR as well but still fall second to UGA. Being in the ACC and also in the Atlanta market does help them and they are certainly not hurting for money.

6 Georgia State - The Panthers fall a distant third in support from the BOR but they have a huge enrollment and benefit from being in the rich Atlanta market as well. A recent merger with Georgia Perimeter has made them one of the largest schools in the country.

5 Georgia Southern - The Eagles probably get about as much support as Georgia State from the BOR but are not in a rich market. The school is close to Savannah which helps and is the only FBS school in south Georgia which does raise it's profile regionally. In the next few years GS is set to absorb Armstrong St which will give Georgia Southern campuses in three south Georgia cities and raise enrollment by about 30%.

4 Mercer - The Bears are a private school with a rich history and deep pockets. They have all of the resources needed to compete in a Mid-Major FCS conference like the SoCon.

3 Kennesaw State - I don't know as much about Kennesaw St as I do some of the other schools but they do fall well below the FBS schools in the state in terms of resources. Kennesaw also recently merged with another school and has an enrollment of over 30,000 so I have a feeling their profile is on the way up.

1 Savannah State - A HBCU in Savannah this school is notoriously mismanaged and even though they are located in a decent metropolitan area get little support from the community. The state BOR supports Savannah St at the same level as all of it's other mid-tier (most not Div 1) universities but with Georgia Southern currently right down the road and about to move next door (after merging with Armstrong St) they are hurting.
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SC has 12 Division I programs, more than almost any state of our size (less than 5 million population). They are at varying rates of resources, but the big schools, of course are at the top.

1a. South Carolina (10)- SEC money has helped to make Carolina one of the fastest growing ADs in the country. Before the SEC (25 years ago), it was a school with no identity. Now, it is doing well in most sports, with the basketball success only helping.

1b. Clemson (10)- Basically no gap between Carolina and Clemson. Clemson's football facilities rival a couple of the NFL teams. Their football money allowed them to renovate their baseball stadium and basketball arena, and the school's prestige has only grown since Dabo came in.

Huge gap

3. Coastal Carolina (probably a 6): Coastal has become the #3 in the past few years, with the baseball national title, football going to Sun Belt, more media coverage, and the new basketball arena. As recently as the late 2000s, CCU was probably 6 or 7.

4. The Citadel (5): Citadel has a lot of resources for a FCS. Large football stadium, a league (the SoCon) which they can do very well in after schools like App and Georgia Southern left, lots of old money alums who spend a lot of money into the program.

5. Wofford (5): A school with a small enrollment that does very well. Has been very consistent in football and basketball the last 20 years, has Jerry Richardson (Panthers owner)'s backing, with a arena named after him, and Panthers training camp.

6. Furman (5): Another school with a lot of money headed to it. Has added lacrosse in the last few years, growing market, and many of the same resources as The Citadel (Furman's long-standing rival).

7. College of Charleston (5): Growing program. 2/3 female students, has no football team, but has grown in prestige with the new basketball arena, and their conference move has helped them recruit students throughout the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast.

4-7 is interchangeable. There is a gap though to the rest.

8. Winthrop (4): Basically a men's basketball school to most observers, but good in soccer and other sports. Stuck in the shadow of other Charlotte area schools. Sends out a lot of teachers.

9. Presbyterian (3.5): Small school in a small town (40 miles from Greenville, 60 from Columbia). Hasn't really had success in most sports since they moved to D1. Does have a pharmacy school and some well-to-do alums.

10. Charleston Southern (3): The third school in Charleston. Football has improved over the past few years, but basketball still plays in 900 seat gym. Just lost their head coach to a coordinator position at Coastal. Doesn't have a lot of resources, but have done pretty well with what they have.

11. USC-Upstate (2.5): Basically an outlier. Only SC school in A-Sun, and hasn't grown an identity since they joined D1 about a decade ago. Still treated as a "branch campus" by Columbia.

12. SC State (2): Has been a threat of closing at pretty much all times over the past decade. Came very close to happening, but school has stabilized over the past year. Football program does well, but basketball draws poor attendance, and has no baseball program.

Some of the D2s in SC actually do very well. Newberry, Francis Marion, and USC-Aiken would possibly be D1s in other states.
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Minnesota is very simple:

1. University of Minnesota

No need to do anyone else because none will ever move up to D-I.
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Rank Division I programs in your state in terms of resources
Kentucky would have to be a 10 due to fan support.

Louisville would be a 9.

WKU around a 5.

Morehead around a 3.

Murray & EKU about a 2 or 2.5, not far behind Morehead.
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UVA
VT


ODU
VCU

JMU
Richmond

W&M
GMU

Something like that
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I grew up in Iowa but live in Illinois, so I will try to do both without doing any research whatsoever.

1. Iowa
2. Iowa State
3. UNI
4. Drake

1. Illinois
2. NW
3. Depaul (with new BB arena)
4. Bradley
5. LOYOLA
6. NIU
7. Illinois St
8. SIU
9. UIC
10. EIU
11. WIU
12. Chicago St
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(04-09-2017 10:08 AM)sctvman Wrote:  SC has 12 Division I programs, more than almost any state of our size (less than 5 million population). They are at varying rates of resources, but the big schools, of course are at the top.

1a. South Carolina (10)- SEC money has helped to make Carolina one of the fastest growing ADs in the country. Before the SEC (25 years ago), it was a school with no identity. Now, it is doing well in most sports, with the basketball success only helping.

1b. Clemson (10)- Basically no gap between Carolina and Clemson. Clemson's football facilities rival a couple of the NFL teams. Their football money allowed them to renovate their baseball stadium and basketball arena, and the school's prestige has only grown since Dabo came in.

Huge gap

3. Coastal Carolina (probably a 6): Coastal has become the #3 in the past few years, with the baseball national title, football going to Sun Belt, more media coverage, and the new basketball arena. As recently as the late 2000s, CCU was probably 6 or 7.

4. The Citadel (5): Citadel has a lot of resources for a FCS. Large football stadium, a league (the SoCon) which they can do very well in after schools like App and Georgia Southern left, lots of old money alums who spend a lot of money into the program.

5. Wofford (5): A school with a small enrollment that does very well. Has been very consistent in football and basketball the last 20 years, has Jerry Richardson (Panthers owner)'s backing, with a arena named after him, and Panthers training camp.

6. Furman (5): Another school with a lot of money headed to it. Has added lacrosse in the last few years, growing market, and many of the same resources as The Citadel (Furman's long-standing rival).

7. College of Charleston (5): Growing program. 2/3 female students, has no football team, but has grown in prestige with the new basketball arena, and their conference move has helped them recruit students throughout the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast.

4-7 is interchangeable. There is a gap though to the rest.

8. Winthrop (4): Basically a men's basketball school to most observers, but good in soccer and other sports. Stuck in the shadow of other Charlotte area schools. Sends out a lot of teachers.

9. Presbyterian (3.5): Small school in a small town (40 miles from Greenville, 60 from Columbia). Hasn't really had success in most sports since they moved to D1. Does have a pharmacy school and some well-to-do alums.

10. Charleston Southern (3): The third school in Charleston. Football has improved over the past few years, but basketball still plays in 900 seat gym. Just lost their head coach to a coordinator position at Coastal. Doesn't have a lot of resources, but have done pretty well with what they have.

11. USC-Upstate (2.5): Basically an outlier. Only SC school in A-Sun, and hasn't grown an identity since they joined D1 about a decade ago. Still treated as a "branch campus" by Columbia.

12. SC State (2): Has been a threat of closing at pretty much all times over the past decade. Came very close to happening, but school has stabilized over the past year. Football program does well, but basketball draws poor attendance, and has no baseball program.

Some of the D2s in SC actually do very well. Newberry, Francis Marion, and USC-Aiken would possibly be D1s in other states.

Overall I agree with this. The only thing I would do different is take PC from #9 and probably place them with Upstate and SC State in a three way tie at the bottom. They definitely aren't ahead of Chuck South.
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