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RE: Rank Division I programs in your state in terms of resources
Gold Award
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
North Carolina State University
Duke University

Silver Award
Wake Forest University
East Carolina University
Appalachian State University

Bronze Award
University of North Carolina - Charlotte
Davidson College
Elon University
University of North Carolina - Greensboro
University of North Carolina - Wilmington

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Campbell University
Gardner-Webb University
High Point University
North Carolina A&T
North Carolina Central University
University of North Carolina - Asheville
Western Carolina University
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(04-09-2017 08:25 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  For my home state of Missouri, I don't know Florida well enough to make an accurate assumption.

Mizzou


Missouri State
SLU

UMKC
SEMO

Lindenwood
Central Missouri
NW Missouri State
Everyone else

Actually the order is this (from Department of Education Equity in Athletics report database)

1. Missouri



2. Saint Louis (about $2m more spent than Missouri St)
3. Lindenwood (wow! they spent $20m in D-II, do have 7,226 students)
4. Missouri State (about $6m more spent than UMKC, $4m of that is FB related)

5. Missouri-Kansas City
6. Central Missouri
// small gap
7. Northwest Missouri State

8. Missouri-St. Louis
9. Missouri Southern State
10. Truman State
11. Northwest Missouri State

others
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(04-09-2017 10:14 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(04-09-2017 08:25 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  For my home state of Missouri, I don't know Florida well enough to make an accurate assumption.

Mizzou


Missouri State
SLU

UMKC
SEMO

Lindenwood
Central Missouri
NW Missouri State
Everyone else

Actually the order is this (from Department of Education Equity in Athletics report database)

1. Missouri



2. Saint Louis (about $2m more spent than Missouri St)
3. Lindenwood (wow! they spent $20m in D-II, do have 7,226 students)
4. Missouri State (about $6m more spent than UMKC, $4m of that is FB related)

5. Missouri-Kansas City
6. Central Missouri
// small gap
7. Northwest Missouri State

8. Missouri-St. Louis
9. Missouri Southern State
10. Truman State
11. Northwest Missouri State

others

Actually you are wrong like normal.
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Look at the DoE numbers. They don't lie. Reporting is required by law.
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(04-09-2017 10:32 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Look at the DoE numbers. They don't lie. Reporting is required by law.

http://www.news-leader.com/story/news/20.../81608818/
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Ohio

1. Ohio State- Drive across the state in the fall and you will see far more Buckeye flags than Browns or Bengals put together (at least with the drives I have taken).
2. Cincinnati- I have Bearcats fans who have worried for the future with conference realignment, but I do not worry for them. While the situation sucks, UC has established itself at a level they aren't going back from.

After this it gets a little tough as you have to decide how to rank basketball vs. football. Xavier and Dayton have good basketball followings without football while some of the top MAC schools have decent football followings.

3. Xavier: Xavier is a legitimate power in basketball. They have a good conference situation, and they have good following in Cincinnati.

4. Toledo: The Rockets has a somewhat weird space. They are in a city that is decent size (not huge), but which is evenly split among Ohio State and Michigan fans (close to Michigan border with UM much closer than OSU). They are the biggest Ohio MAC city though and that does seem to help them some with recruiting and the like.

5. Ohio University: Their name helps as going to Ohio sounds bigger than saying a smaller Ohio city. They have been gradually growing as a MAC power for years in my view.

6. Dayton: I love the Flyers, but think lack of football keeps them down a little. It's not too far, but they don't have the profile of Xavier nationally or the strong UC/XU type rivalry to generate as much interest beyond their area. That said, Dayton is passionate for them. I have an uncle who has given everyone he knows about Flyer gear.

7. Miami: They have fallen, but I think a lot of it is temporary. They have established themselves as kind of elite/artsy (or at least that is my view). That doesn't always mean positive things for sports, but it is specific identity which does set them apart. Their history also helps (even still hold the edge over UC in football, but that will reverse soon enough).

8. Bowling Green: Very nice campus. Have been discussed in BCS races when were undefeated late.

9. Youngstown State: They have Jim Tressel as president and Bo Pelini as a football coach and stand a chance at winning national champions at their level. I actually hear more about them than the MAC teams in real life in Columbus.

10. Akron: Decent size city. One of the better nicknames (Zips).

11. Kent State: Smaller and close to Akron hurt, but it is a bit more of a smaller college feel too.
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(04-09-2017 10:56 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(04-09-2017 10:32 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Look at the DoE numbers. They don't lie. Reporting is required by law.

http://www.news-leader.com/story/news/20.../81608818/

So you are saying they lied to the Department of Education? That would be major illegal

Actually, I think this means we need to examine everyone next year with the new numbers. MSU is still in the same pack, but we need to see how SLU's numbers adjust as well.

This BTW is a cute way to hide the true cost of Football.
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You got to wonder which D2 schools are spending at the D1 levels? Those schools are the ones that points to them making a move to D1.
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I'll do the states of Alabama & Oregon:


State of Alabama:

10: 'Bama- easily has the most resources in the state by far and very widespread support.

8/9: Auburn- The loveliest village on the Plains is a big boy (P5), but to say they are equal with 'Bama is a bit of a stretch. Auburn seems to lack the statewide support that 'Bama has (it seems limited to southeast Alabama & Birmingham) & their stadium is somewhat smaller too. (87,000 approx vs 104,000 approx). Surprisingly, Auburn has a substantial fanbase in western Georgia. Basically, Auburn is a poor man's UGa, IMO.




4/5: Troy- very solid support in southeastern Alabama. Troy has a fanbase stretching from parts of Montgomery all the way south to Dothan. still, doesn't have statewide support though, and is vastly outnumbered by 'Bama & Auburn fans.
4/5 : South Alabama- see Troy, but the fanbase is located more in the Mobile area.
4/5: UAB- although fanbase is limited to B'ham for the most part, still UAB does make its presence known.
4: JSU-decent resources for an FCS program, but small fanbase in a small town.
4: Alabama A&M- decent resources and has the Magic City Classic with Alabama State in B'ham.
4: Alabama State- see Alabama A&M but add the Turkey Day Classic with Tuskegee too.
4: UNA- see JSU, but they are moving up from Div 2
3: Samford: private Southern Baptist school in the B'ham area, but chooses to be frugal with their money, ala' UPenn.


State of Oregon:

10: U of Oregon- Phil Knight and Nike already added to a solid Ducks legacy. Plus, U of O has very little competition from the NFL. It's kinda surprising Oregon hasn't expanded Autzen yet, IMO. Huge statewide fanbase.

8: Oregon State- the Beavers have been the underdog to the Ducks for a long time, but they are in the P5, and they have the Reser family helping them out some. Still, the Beavers support is kinda limited to swath of Oregon stretching from Corvallis to Portland.


4: U of Portland: does surprisingly well for themselves being in the WCC.
3/4: Portland State: probably has a bigger fanbase in the Rose City (Portland), but lacks the resources that U of Portland has, IMO.
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(04-09-2017 11:20 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  This BTW is a cute way to hide the true cost of Football.

Facilities are the biggest con schools pull. Share its use, and watch it come off the books.

I see schools offering Masters degrees in higher education administration. I wonder if there's coursework in there for budgeting, accounting, and reporting. Probably some really shady or creative content put out there.
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