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(04-09-2017 08:53 AM)Chappy Wrote:  It's kind of difficult to do here because of the stark difference between Football and Basketball some places, but I'll give it a try...

THE REST

Elon
High Point
NC A&T
UNC Greensboro


I don't really know enough about these schools to sort them out in to two or three ore tiers like I'd like to. There are a lot of D1 schools in this state!

I have at least a little idea about the 4 in bold. I know the most about Elon as an alum.

fan support, facilities, tradition, location, $$$, media exposure

I'd probably put A&T 1st. Tradition (A&T homecoming is NUTS). Exposure/support
UNCG - similar to A&T without as much tradition or other categories.
Elon (could flip Elon & UNCG but UNCG & AT have better media exposure (location in media footprint)/tradition.
High Point - if UNCG is a lesser version of A&T. HP is a slightly lesser version of Elon

Elon has some nice facilities. They are currently building a new basketball/volleyball facility which will be pretty nice compared to what we have now (Schar Center fly through) It has money. It is not incurring debt with this and as a private school, doesn't get state funding. It needs work on fan support and media exposure. It also needs work in the way of tradition. The location is nice (IMHO, not a big fan of cities). Women's lacrosse is the newest program (4 years old). Potential for mens lacrosse exists but probably not going to happen in the immediate future (unless the new president says so).
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It depends on the area in NC you're talking about. UNCW has a very good following in the Wilmington area, being the only school there, but Wilmington doesn't have the largest population (a county of 280K, but a lot of Brunswick County also is a part of the Wilmington market).

Those 8 schools are clearly above the rest, but #9 depends on the year. I think UNCW had that in the last couple of years with Keatts and the basketball program improving and baseball doing well, but Keatts now is at NC State. We'll have to see how they do with their new coach from UNC, C.B. McGrath.
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(04-09-2017 11:04 AM)goofus Wrote:  I grew up in Iowa but live in Illinois, so I will try to do both without doing any research whatsoever.

1. Iowa
2. Iowa State
3. UNI
4. Drake

1. Illinois
2. NW
3. Depaul (with new BB arena)
4. Bradley
5. LOYOLA
6. NIU
6. Illinois St
7. SIU
8. UIC
9. Loyola
10. EIU
11. WIU
12. Chicago St

Why is Loyola on there twice in two very different locations?
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(04-09-2017 02:16 PM)BirdstheWord Wrote:  
(04-09-2017 11:04 AM)goofus Wrote:  I grew up in Iowa but live in Illinois, so I will try to do both without doing any research whatsoever.

1. Iowa
2. Iowa State
3. UNI
4. Drake

1. Illinois
2. NW
3. Depaul (with new BB arena)
4. Bradley
5. LOYOLA
6. NIU
6. Illinois St
7. SIU
8. UIC
9. Loyola
10. EIU
11. WIU
12. Chicago St

Why is Loyola on there twice in two very different locations?

Lol I will fix it.
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(04-09-2017 10:39 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Kentucky would have to be a 10 due to fan support.

Louisville would be a 9.

WKU around a 5.

Morehead around a 3.

Murray & EKU about a 2 or 2.5, not far behind Morehead.

I'm guessing you skipped NKU because you consider them an Ohio team? 05-nono Ok, I'll include them in Ohio

10 - Ohio State - Probably tied for #1 in the country with Texas and Michigan

8 - Cincinnati - compared to P5s in similar size regions (like Iowa, Oregon, and West Virginia), large fan base when their winning, but a smaller core of die-hards. Institutional commitment to football and basketball.

6 - Dayton - possibly the biggest basketball-only fanbase in the country
6 - Xavier - Big East money and more luxury boxes, but smaller fanbase than Dayton
(note -for basketball, Dayton and Xavier have almost equal resources to Cincinnati)

5 - Ohio
5 - Toledo
4.5 - Akron
4.5 - Kent
4.5 - Miami - they used to be tied with Xavier, but they've really fallen off the map
4 - Bowling Green
4 - Northern Kentucky - easily the best arena of the Horizon schools
4 - Youngstown State - the Tressel machine has given them a fair amount of resources for athletics.
3 - Cleveland State
2 - Wright State
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In PA it's deceptive. PSU is PSU, and Pitt is close behind, but, honestly, if UPenn ever wanted in on the game, those other two wouldn't be able to compete. Penn's a monster.

I think it could be the same for Lehigh...there's money there...they choose to be thrifty.

As is, I'd rank them:

1. PSU
2. Pitt
3. Villanova
4. Temple
5. Penn
6. Lehigh
7. St. Joes
8. Lafayette
9. Bucknell
10. Duquesne
11. Robert Morris
12. La Salle
13. Drexel
14. St. Francis

FWIW, I think Lafayette and Bucknell could outspend Temple and Villanova, too, if they wanted to, but choose not to.
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(04-09-2017 04:04 PM)goofus Wrote:  
(04-09-2017 02:16 PM)BirdstheWord Wrote:  
(04-09-2017 11:04 AM)goofus Wrote:  I grew up in Iowa but live in Illinois, so I will try to do both without doing any research whatsoever.

1. Iowa
2. Iowa State
3. UNI
4. Drake

1. Illinois
2. NW
3. Depaul (with new BB arena)
4. Bradley
5. LOYOLA
6. NIU
6. Illinois St
7. SIU
8. UIC
9. Loyola
10. EIU
11. WIU
12. Chicago St

Why is Loyola on there twice in two very different locations?

Lol I will fix it.

Good, but you left out SIU-e.
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(04-09-2017 09:21 AM)dayooper Wrote:  Michigan. Since there are seven D1 schools in Michigan, I won't list any ties and try to give reasoning for each.

1. University of Michigan - Almost unlimited resources. Home football game revenues are gigantic and they have a huge donor base. Michigan football is taking a trip to Rome and a donor paid for the entire trip!

2. Michigan State - Right up there with Michigan, but they don't have the home football game revenues and the donor base. Otherwise, the Spartans are on par with Their neighbors to the south.

3. Western Michigan - The Broncos aren't close to the two Big10 teams, but have the most resources of the three MAC schools. Huge school that has a good hockey program and was willing to pay out to keep PJ Fleck as their football coach.

4. Central Michigan - The Chips are in a great place for what they have. Will always lag behind their rival WMU, but they do well for themselves.

5. Eastern Michigan - They have a really good debate team.

6. Oakland - Growing school (just opened a med school) in one of the most wealthy areas of Michigan (Oakland County), they have the resources to compete in the Horizon league.

7. Detroit Mercy - Like many small, private schools in the state, they are struggling a bit.
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CA returns 79 schools in NCAA and NAIA. You can go through it yourself at https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/

You can compare 4 at a time and get the numbers. No single total on expenses. You have to add recruiting (M & W), operations (M & W), Team (M & W) and unspecified expenses to arrive at the complete total for a school.

"unlimited funding"
USC
Stanford
"nearly $100m funding"
UC-Los Angeles
UC-Berkeley (for Cal this $95m figure includes huge in stadium debt service, leading to a $9m shortfall)
"$50m funding range"
SDSU
"30-40m funding range"
CSU-Fresno
UC-Davis
SJSU
"20-25m range guessing the order, SCU probably first however"
CSU-Sacramento
Santa Clara
San Diego
San Francisco
"$13-19m range -- not in order"
Cal Poly San Luis Obispo
CSU-Long Beach
UC-Irvine
UC-Santa Barbara
CSU-Northridge
CSU-Fullerton
Pepperdine
Pacific
Loyola Marymount
UC-San Diego
CSU-Bakersfield

There are another 15+ D-II schools spending $3-6m range
CSU-LA, CSU-San Bernadino, HSU, SSU CSU-Monterey Bay, Cal Poly Pomona ... etc.
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For my home state of Missouri, I don't know Florida well enough to make an accurate assumption.

Mizzou


Missouri State
SLU

UMKC
SEMO

Lindenwood
Central Missouri
NW Missouri State
Everyone else
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